How will this affect womens sports in college?

I stand for the flag and kneel for the cross along with 74 million others....lol
If you’re going to brag about the losing score, can it be a soccer score? Try this:

”Remember that time Crush‘s daughter scored a hat trick against Blues in the Leicester City Cup at Galloway? That was awesome. If the ref hadn’t called blown the offside call in the 39th minute, she would have tied it up and they would totally have won in overtime! Those were the days. U9 soccer is the best!”

See? Much more fun.
 
If you’re going to brag about the losing score, can it be a soccer score? Try this:

”Remember that time Crush‘s daughter scored a hat trick against Blues in the Leicester City Cup at Galloway? That was awesome. If the ref hadn’t called blown the offside call in the 39th minute, she would have tied it up and they would totally have won in overtime! Those were the days. U9 soccer is the best!”

See? Much more fun.

So making fun of someone who is proud of his kid is fun? That's kindergarten bully bullshit and sure speaks to your character.
 
O.k. Here's my take which is likely to make me unpopular with either side but it means I'm probably on to something. And I say this as someone with a bit of background in this situation being LGBTQ myself, and having a relative who is T.

Firstly, sports is never fair. My son is August birthday and a GK. He was the tallest in his age group, but when they moved around the age groups he has to compete now against kids with 6 months growth on him. He's in the 75% of height for males, so not a short keeper by any means, but still that 6 months makes a huge difference. He also wound up losing a year of development when they changed the years. Similarly, if there are any girls on your teams with a mix of chromosomes (like the xxy) , or if they just happen to be genetically early bloomers and towered over their teammates when they were 10, or even if they are over 6 ft, there's nothing fair about that either.

What's "fair" or "unfair" here is entirely in the eye of the beholder. Any fidgeting of the rules will produce winners and losers, since there are finite places on a team. It's not "fair" if your DD gets cut from their dream team because somebody who looks like a guy walks in from tryouts and just blows away everyone even the strongest girls. It's not "fair" either to send the trans kid who has behaved as a girl since they were 8 and is on hormone blockers to compete against 18 year guys. Start from the position there is no "fairness" here. Also start from the position that I have yet to see a dude decide he wants to compete in women's sports just to gain a scholarship or trophy (though it also wouldn't surprise me to eventually see one or two).

For 10 years or so, before the woke knives came out, we had the NCAA standards. They, IIRC, required an athlete to be on hormones before being allowed to compete with the other sex. They worked for a long time before politics overwhelmed this issue.

Knowing that no solution can ever be perfect, and understanding we have to try to take into account the concerns of all participants, I'd think a siding scale is the most appropriate scale. For youth rec, who cares. I once had to referee an AYSO game with a kid who was MTF, 9 years old or so, playing with the girls. Very sweet kid, somewhat in love with the attention being given, and could not see that child playing with the boys and not getting hurt and/or bullied. For youth club sports, it's tricky because it's at an age before hormones are advised, but I can see a rule where hormones and/or testosterone blockers are required for some length of time, but the rules should be less stringent since it is a team sport and the contribution of any 1 athlete is limited. For individual youth sports, because the performance is so dependent on the performance of an athlete a stricter rule is called for. For college athletics, the rules should be even stricter and require a prolonged period on hormone blockers and estrogen, plus either a transition or an active moment towards transition within the coming months For Olympic level competition, it wouldn't be unreasonable to require the transition to have occurred.

None of this is entirely "fair" to anyone. But it recognizes there are competing concerns on both ends of the spectrum. Whether or not a transition really makes someone a "real boy" or "real girl" is besides the point here...who cares....it's all about definitional nonsense either....and no a transition does not make you magically into a biological female. We need to balance compassion on one end of the spectrum with fairness on the other, knowing that "fairness" is impossible to achieve in sports. We were headed in that direction before politics inserted its dirty nose into this issue.
Simple, why didn't your son identify as a year or two younger and he'd be the tallest GK again.

If birth gender is fluid, why not birth year? After all, isn't it compassionate for the undersized kids being dominated and bullied in their birth year group? Wouldn't it "level the playing field" for those born smaller, weaker, and less talented? OR think how one could dominate due to physical difference competing one or two years down.

Personally, I'd like to identify as 62yo and start tapping into social security.

Ultimately, who gets to determine the rules and where does it end?
 
So making fun of someone who is proud of his kid is fun? That's kindergarten bully bullshit and sure speaks to your character.
I wasn’t making fun of Crush. He’s just the most vocal of a large number of proud parents here.

I was making fun of you. It’s now 3 1/2 months after the election, and you’re still taking over soccer threads to talk about your losing political candidate.
 
I wasn’t making fun of Crush. He’s just the most vocal of a large number of proud parents here.

I was making fun of you. It’s now 3 1/2 months after the election, and you’re still taking over soccer threads to talk about your losing political candidate.

Well you picked a strange way of posting your opinion. I was responding to Ewok which was my mistake. I shouldn't be responding to his nonsense at all.
 
I wasn’t making fun of Crush. He’s just the most vocal of a large number of proud parents here.

I was making fun of you. It’s now 3 1/2 months after the election, and you’re still taking over soccer threads to talk about your losing political candidate.
It's a political thread my friend...did you read the original post? Elections have consequences. And it's you simple minded babies who solely voted because "Orange Man bad and tweets mean things" who own this, and many other, leftist policies. If his candidate had won...this federal mandate thread would not exist.

You see, true "principled conservatives", and the left, understand that it's actions over personality.

Rest assured, for the next 4 years I will continue to talk about the loss and the garbage and damage you and your ilk ushered in and own.
 
Simple, why didn't your son identify as a year or two younger and he'd be the tallest GK again.

If birth gender is fluid, why not birth year? After all, isn't it compassionate for the undersized kids being dominated and bullied in their birth year group? Wouldn't it "level the playing field" for those born smaller, weaker, and less talented? OR think how one could dominate due to physical difference competing one or two years down.

Personally, I'd like to identify as 62yo and start tapping into social security.

Ultimately, who gets to determine the rules and where does it end?

You’ve embraced the fact that the rules are all arbitrary. That’s a start. Who determines the rules? You’ve asked the fundamental issue of politics and limiting principles. To flip it...why should he be punished for being an August birthday and by what right did they take his being the oldest away.

Again I agree declaring yourself trans doesn’t change your biological gender. But on the other hand we are also talking in most cases about brain structures which in the case of mtf don’t exactly pattern the average male brain. Beyond that everything else is just definitional issues.
 
I'm sure they can come up with a reasonable solution to this so people can live their life as they choose. They have the Special Olympics for athletes with special needs. They have the Para Olympics for athletes with physical disabilities. I'm sure the LBGT community could get lots of sponsors for the TG Olympics. Instead of the current She Believes tournament that is going on they could call it "He's Confused" or something similar.
 
I'm sure they can come up with a reasonable solution to this so people can live their life as they choose. They have the Special Olympics for athletes with special needs. They have the Para Olympics for athletes with physical disabilities. I'm sure the LBGT community could get lots of sponsors for the TG Olympics. Instead of the current She Believes tournament that is going on they could call it "He's Confused" or something similar.
The issue for teams is there won’t be enough t athletes to form a team on a high school or college campus. If you wanted to tier things I suppose you could run testosterone tests even on the biological females (some of which have testosterone spikes for various biological reasons) and classify them into higher and lower testosterone tiers.
 
Simple, why didn't your son identify as a year or two younger and he'd be the tallest GK again.

If birth gender is fluid, why not birth year? After all, isn't it compassionate for the undersized kids being dominated and bullied in their birth year group? Wouldn't it "level the playing field" for those born smaller, weaker, and less talented? OR think how one could dominate due to physical difference competing one or two years down.

Personally, I'd like to identify as 62yo and start tapping into social security.

Ultimately, who gets to determine the rules and where does it end?
Ignoring your sarcasm, you do know that the DA allowed boys to be played down and they had the whole relative age thing going on. Apparently (sic) that doesn't/didn't work on the girls side. I would think they will have the same thing on MLS Next, as the goal is to ID MLS players at 17/18, when they have grown, rather than throw away talent when they haven't grown relative to their peers yet.
 
If you’re going to brag about the losing score, can it be a soccer score? Try this:

Remember that time Crush‘s daughter scored a hat trick against Blues in the Leicester City Cup at Galloway? That was awesome. If the ref hadn’t called blown the offside call in the 39th minute, she would have tied it up and they would totally have won in overtime! Those were the days. U9 soccer is the best!”

See? Much more fun.
Galloway was a horse ranch and had no soccer Dad back in the day. Games were played out at Birdsall ((Pachanga)) and then another place I cant remember. My dd was not a hat trick pony either. She wants the girls on the team to like her and not look like a ball hog so she passes the rock so others can taste the glory of scoring too. It would have read, "Crush dd gets game winner after assisting on first two goals of the game Leicester Cup finals, 3-2."
 
Galloway was a horse ranch and had no soccer Dad back in the day. Games were played out at Birdsall ((Pachanga)) and then another place I cant remember. My dd was not a hat trick pony either. She wants the girls on the team to like her and not look like a ball hog so she passes the rock so others can taste the glory of scoring too. It would have read, "Crush dd gets game winner after assisting on first two goals of the game Leicester Cup finals, 3-2."
I never saw her play, just heard she's good.

Any luck on the college front, or still waiting?
 
I never saw her play, just heard she's good.

Any luck on the college front, or still waiting?
You're too funny Dad. All quite on the Western front. Right now she's just looking to find a soccer match. Next week it's back on and she can be a teen again. Has her first hs school game in April. Looking at three games a week so need to be in shape for tough games through June. Any games at this point puts a smile on my face because I see everyone happy, especially the girls who have waited so long.
 
You’ve embraced the fact that the rules are all arbitrary. That’s a start. Who determines the rules? You’ve asked the fundamental issue of politics and limiting principles. To flip it...why should he be punished for being an August birthday and by what right did they take his being the oldest away.

Again I agree declaring yourself trans doesn’t change your biological gender. But on the other hand we are also talking in most cases about brain structures which in the case of mtf don’t exactly pattern the average male brain. Beyond that everything else is just definitional issues.
Ok sure - arbitrary, subjective, selective, slippery slopes, all of the above and beyond.

Bottom line, all people who suffer from gender dysphoria (and all other DSM-V listed psychiatric disorders) have a right to live as they choose, so long as they do not trample over the rights of others in the process.

Currently, transgender policies are trampling over the rights of girls / women.
 
Ok sure - arbitrary, subjective, selective, slippery slopes, all of the above and beyond.

Bottom line, all people who suffer from gender dysphoria (and all other DSM-V listed psychiatric disorders) have a right to live as they choose, so long as they do not trample over the rights of others in the process.

Currently, transgender policies are trampling over the rights of girls / women.

So my sons rights were trampled on when they rejiggered the age guidance? What about the right of the mtf who is substantially weaker and may even be on hormone blockers...doesn’t that person have a right to play without being trampled on by 18 year old boys at the height of their puberty?

Rights often collide with each other. The right of a racist to not admit minorities he dislikes to his country club. The right of a men’s club to organize alone without having to deal with women even though it gives them a leg up in business. The right of a Chinese restaurant to hire only Chinese service people because they want it to be authentic. The right of a wedding cake baker to not bake a gay wedding cake. My right to get air and sunlight for my house v your right to build your house higher even though it blocks my view. Your right to go in the freeway as fast as you want v my right to feel safe in my car. Your right to feel more secure against the Rona v my right not to wear a mask that restricts my breathing.

Certain rights are fundamental. They are mostly set out in the bill of rights. But even speech isnt absolute (fire in the crowded theatre, child porn). There’s always a balancing act. The question is how to balance things. In this case you have 2 rights that need to be balanced: the right of the biological girls/women to compete on a level playing field v the right of trans people to play. Hell, if it’s all about the level playing field let’s just abolish the gender split in sports and have everyone compete against everyone on a level playing field...may the best person win....works for the federation in starship troopers.
 
So my sons rights were trampled on when they rejiggered the age guidance? What about the right of the mtf who is substantially weaker and may even be on hormone blockers...doesn’t that person have a right to play without being trampled on by 18 year old boys at the height of their puberty?

Rights often collide with each other. The right of a racist to not admit minorities he dislikes to his country club. The right of a men’s club to organize alone without having to deal with women even though it gives them a leg up in business. The right of a Chinese restaurant to hire only Chinese service people because they want it to be authentic. The right of a wedding cake baker to not bake a gay wedding cake. My right to get air and sunlight for my house v your right to build your house higher even though it blocks my view. Your right to go in the freeway as fast as you want v my right to feel safe in my car. Your right to feel more secure against the Rona v my right not to wear a mask that restricts my breathing.

Certain rights are fundamental. They are mostly set out in the bill of rights. But even speech isnt absolute (fire in the crowded theatre, child porn). There’s always a balancing act. The question is how to balance things. In this case you have 2 rights that need to be balanced: the right of the biological girls/women to compete on a level playing field v the right of trans people to play. Hell, if it’s all about the level playing field let’s just abolish the gender split in sports and have everyone compete against everyone on a level playing field...may the best person win....works for the federation in starship troopers.
I'm sure you put a lot into this lengthy response, but to be honest with you, I stopped reading at "racist". Unfortunately, the term has been bastardized by the left and far too often misused and overused. For me, it is a discussion ender. Take care.
 
I'm sure you put a lot into this lengthy response, but to be honest with you, I stopped reading at "racist". Unfortunately, the term has been bastardized by the left and far too often misused and overused. For me, it is a discussion ender. Take care.
Part of the problem with this issue is no one wants to acknowledge the other side has concerns. They just don’t want to hear it. So we get extreme positions like a transgendered person should be allowed to play at any level just by declaring they are female v no one should trample on women/girls rights and if that means someone else doesn’t have a place to play too bad.
 
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