Horrible sportsmanship from CDA slammers-G09 Metcalf

[Surfref]

With all due respect, we're talking about 8~9 yrs old kids right?

Has the social norm changed so much that we all don't believe kids that age run around all day - hot or cold?

Two 20 minute halves? So 40 minutes total with at least 5 minutes half time, right? With subs, since everyone plays at this age, the whole thread is that the other team didn't want to give a break more than an hour between two games?

Such anger and really unnecessary tone by OP. "This coach is a total dooch bag. He Puts winning over the girls safety. These girls are only 8-9 Years old, not to mention playing in 90 degree weather with no rest." There was a break but you clearly felt it wasn't long enough from your perspective. You can always hold your kid out of the next game. You as a parent need to make that call.

All I'm saying is that are we being over protective and making a big deal of nothing? There WILL BE worse things that will happen in your youth soccer journey if you continue so lets keep it real....

If the referees can do it (multiple games in a row), then why can't the kids on those tiny fields or even the larger fields. No one cares if the 12-14 y/o or 50+ y/o referee works three to four 30-45 minute games on a full size field with only 10 minutes of rest between games. If the players hydrate correctly leading up to the weekend and the coach has properly trained them, then they should be able to handle multiple games in a day played close together.

What I find strange is the difference between State Cup and National Cup. The National Cup teams are supposed to be the better more well conditioned teams and only play one game a day, while the State Cup teams are not as well conditioned and play two games a day. Seems to me that those should be reversed.

 

[timbuck]

If the referees can do it (multiple games in a row), then why can't the kids on those tiny fields or even the larger fields. No one cares if the 12-14 y/o or 50+ y/o referee works three to four 30-45 minute games on a full size field with only 10 minutes of rest between games. If the players hydrate correctly leading up to the weekend and the coach has properly trained them, then they should be able to handle multiple games in a day played close together.

What I find strange is the difference between State Cup and National Cup. The National Cup teams are supposed to be the better more well conditioned teams and only play one game a day, while the State Cup teams are not as well conditioned and play two games a day. Seems to me that those should be reversed.

That has baffled me also. It seems that Cal-South cares more about the safety of the National Cup players. Or more about the quality of play by not having them play multiple games in a day. I'm not a litigious person, but if someone has a kid that gets messed up (heat stroke, injury, etc) by playing that 2nd game in a day - Seems Cal-South is open to some issues.

 

[Eagle33]

If the referees can do it (multiple games in a row), then why can't the kids on those tiny fields or even the larger fields. No one cares if the 12-14 y/o or 50+ y/o referee works three to four 30-45 minute games on a full size field with only 10 minutes of rest between games. If the players hydrate correctly leading up to the weekend and the coach has properly trained them, then they should be able to handle multiple games in a day played close together.

What I find strange is the difference between State Cup and National Cup. The National Cup teams are supposed to be the better more well conditioned teams and only play one game a day, while the State Cup teams are not as well conditioned and play two games a day. Seems to me that those should be reversed.

Was this a sarcasm?
I have a lot of respect for you from your posts, but what you wrote here is a complete nonsense.

 

[SoccerFan4Life]

That has baffled me also. It seems that Cal-South cares more about the safety of the National Cup players. Or more about the quality of play by not having them play multiple games in a day. I'm not a litigious person, but if someone has a kid that gets messed up (heat stroke, injury, etc) by playing that 2nd game in a day - Seems Cal-South is open to some issues.

You are right, it's just a matter of a lawsuit happening to eliminate these tournaments. I don't like it but chances are it will happen in the next 5 years. Heck, there's no more using your head at the younger age groups, I would have never thought that would have been a rule but the lawsuit changed things.

Again, not a fan of lawsuits but eventually you will see one of these U-littles drop in the middle of a summer game due to exhaustion and dehydration.

 

[Surfref]

Was this a sarcasm?
I have a lot of respect for you from your posts, but what you wrote here is a complete nonsense.

I guess I need to start my posts with a "sarcasm ahead" warning.

The first part was meant to be slightly sarcastic, but I do worry about youth referees and the OLD (65+) referees that I have to work with on hot days doing multiple games sometimes on artificial turf back to back. The second part was just an observation. The one thing a lot of coaches do not teach the players is how to properly prepare for a weekend tournament. Most youth players do not properly hydrate or take in the proper ratio of carbs to protein. My 50 year old body has to referee 16-18 year olds at Surf Cup, so my weekend hydration/nutrition tournament prep will begin this evening after a 5 mile run along Mission Beach boardwalk.

I had two 7v7 games (20 min half) on hot artificial turf a couple weeks ago before my 11v11 games. Those 8-9 year old boys were completely exhausted after that 40 minute game and they needed a couple hours to recover.

 

[sweeperkeeper]

The point of the thread was that due to a set of circumstances, a team had to play back to back. I would think that Cal-South would have some time limit imposed on the tournaments to ensure there is a rest period between games (60-90 minutes) or at least give the team with lack of rest the option to play or take the rest period. Many sports have this. Furthermore, it would help with the development of the kids as we know that fatigue can lead to sloppy play and dangerous tackles. While I understand it can be frustrating for the opposing team, it would help ensure the safety of the kids since many of the artificial fields easily get over 110.

There are many other factors in play such as the number of subs, injuries, etc., level of play. If the team is up to play back to back then great but if it is a battle of close teams, I would like to see the team get some break to have a more competitive game. Putting the option on the opponent is asking for a disaster.

 

[outside!]

The point of the thread was that due to a set of circumstances, a team had to play back to back. I would think that Cal-South would have some time limit imposed on the tournaments ...

Wait, you think that Cal-South puts any thought to player well being? Ask anyone who has been around for a while, Cal-South occasionally makes good decisions, but they almost seem to be accidental. I have seen olders National Cup games scheduled on the turf fields in Norco where one of the teams only had a bit more than an hour break.

 

[Eagle33]

Wait, you think that Cal-South puts any thought to player well being? Ask anyone who has been around for a while, Cal-South occasionally makes good decisions, but they almost seem to be accidental. I have seen olders National Cup games scheduled on the turf fields in Norco where one of the teams only had a bit more than an hour break.

It has been a while since National Cup had more than 1 game a day.....

 

[outside!]

It has been a while since National Cup had more than 1 game a day.....

If by "a while" you mean since May, 13 of 2017, you would be correct. I was incorrect on the time gap, it was about 2.5 hours.

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[Primetime]

This coach does not know what the definition of sportsmanship/FairPlay is. Our team played the last game of group play at 10:10. The moment our game ended our coach asked Metcalf for a break and he refused. The finals match was scheduled at 11:15. It was horrible for the tournament “Cerritos premier cup” to schedule the final this close to each other. But ultimately the tournament asked Metcalf if it was ok with him to give our girls an hour break. He declined,
And stated him and his team had
Plans already. This coach is a total dooch bag. He Puts winning over the girls safety. These girls are only 8-9
Years old, not to mention playing in 90 degree weather with no rest. To top it all off we are from the same club WHAT A WAY FOR LOOKING OUT FOR ONE ANOTHER. Yes I give a lot of blame to Cerritos United soccer club, for even giving Metcalf the option to allow us the rest. But at the end Metcalf had the last word! And he refused. Great coach!

Your team knew the schedule going in. There was no obligation for them to reschedule. You are correct that the tournament shouldn't have even offered that as an option. Had they not this post wpunt exist. Besides that If it was a real safety issue then 20+ sets of parents wouldn't have had they're kids out there. You included. Did your kid sit out ??? Or was playing a Championship game more important than your kids safety ???? Exactly.......
Most teams train by playing friendlies called round robins In which 2 of the 3 teams play back to back games and the 3rd team has one game off so most teams prepare for this. And as parents of young athletes it's our responsibilty to keep our kids hydrated. Not by sending them to the game with a full water but an actual hydration regement that starts days before and in this time of year it's a daily plan. But I'm sure your all over that. And for the record a douche bag is typically someone who would come on a mostly anonymous forum and starts calling other people douchbags.

 

[baldref]

Your team knew the schedule going in. There was no obligation for them to reschedule. You are correct that the tournament shouldn't have even offered that as an option. Had they not this post wpunt exist. Besides that If it was a real safety issue then 20+ sets of parents wouldn't have had they're kids out there. You included. Did your kid sit out ??? Or was playing a Championship game more important than your kids safety ???? Exactly.......
Most teams train by playing friendlies called round robins In which 2 of the 3 teams play back to back games and the 3rd team has one game off so most teams prepare for this. And as parents of young athletes it's our responsibilty to keep our kids hydrated. Not by sending them to the game with a full water but an actual hydration regement that starts days before and in this time of year it's a daily plan. But I'm sure your all over that. And for the record a douche bag is typically someone who would come on a mostly anonymous forum and starts calling other people douchbags.

i can't find anything wrong with this at all.

 

[Eagle33]

I believe that playing more than 1 game a day is a waste of time. However, if you signed up for a tournament that have 2 games a day and sometimes 3 games a day (see West Coast Classic), then you should be ready for whatever comes with its perks and don't complain. Yes, sometimes you will get less time to rest than the other team you play, and sometimes you will have ridiculous 8-9 hours between your games. One way to avoid this is to do a little research on a tournament you are going to before applying.

 

[espola]

I believe that playing more than 1 game a day is a waste of time. However, if you signed up for a tournament that have 2 games a day and sometimes 3 games a day (see West Coast Classic), then you should be ready for whatever comes with its perks and don't complain. Yes, sometimes you will get less time to rest than the other team you play, and sometimes you will have ridiculous 8-9 hours between your games. One way to avoid this is to do a little research on a tournament you are going to before applying.

Sounds like a good idea. Which tournaments publish their schedules before the sign-up limit date?

 

[timbuck]

Sounds like a good idea. Which tournaments publish their schedules before the sign-up limit date?

Ha- Most have a "no-refund" policy also. And certainly after the schedule has been published - you aren't getting anything back. I've learned (the hardway) over the years to take a look at the rules before signing up. Game length is one of the items that seems to vary from tournament to tournament.

I bet if the upset team had written to their parents and said "We just found out the final game is being played immediately after our 3rd game. Do you still want to play?" - I highly doubt that anyone would have said "forget it. Let's ask for a refund."

Congrats on making the final!

 

[junebug1983]

Your team knew the schedule going in. There was no obligation for them to reschedule. You are correct that the tournament shouldn't have even offered that as an option. Had they not this post wpunt exist. Besides that If it was a real safety issue then 20+ sets of parents wouldn't have had they're kids out there. You included. Did your kid sit out ??? Or was playing a Championship game more important than your kids safety ???? Exactly.......
Most teams train by playing friendlies called round robins In which 2 of the 3 teams play back to back games and the 3rd team has one game off so most teams prepare for this. And as parents of young athletes it's our responsibilty to keep our kids hydrated. Not by sending them to the game with a full water but an actual hydration regement that starts days before and in this time of year it's a daily plan. But I'm sure your all over that. And for the record a douche bag is typically someone who would come on a mostly anonymous forum and starts calling other people douchbags.

Sounds to me you might be a parent from Metcalf team. Or affiliated with CDA whittier. My point in all this, was Metcalf was given the choice to allow our girls to rest for 1 hour and he refused. He Put aside fairplay, and put winning a u-10 tournament as his priority. And yes he’s a douche bag!

 

[dawson]

to original poster :

You must have looked at the schedule when it was published
you must have seen if you got to the final you would have back to back games
you stated or implied in your post the tournament would postpone the game if the other coach agreed.

So apparently there were fields available at a later time.
If you had brought this up when the schedule was published they very likely would have moved it and the other coach
would not have been involved nor should he have been.

Sounds to me like you didn't do your job and then you complain about the other coach on a public forum because you
were lazy and wanted to put the blame on someone else. Seems to me this was on you .

 

[Messi>CR7]

Sounds to me you might be a parent from Metcalf team. Or affiliated with CDA whittier. My point in all this, was Metcalf was given the choice to allow our girls to rest for 1 hour and he refused. He Put aside fairplay, and put winning a u-10 tournament as his priority. And yes he’s a douche bag!

Many folks here have given you their impartial views. You asked to bend the rules, and the other side had no obligation to make an exception for you. You're asking parents of every kid on the opposing team to change their plan last minute for you.

If you truly want to make the other coach look like a douche bag, your coach should've forfeited the championship game. It takes an extremely courageous coach to do so, but I know that has been done in a State semifinal in another sports due to dangerous weather.

I would have nothing but respect for your coach if he did forfeit the match for girls' safety. Imagine the opposing coach has to go tell his team that there is no championship match and they won because your team put kids' safety first.

 

[Kicker4Life]

Sounds to me you might be a parent from Metcalf team. Or affiliated with CDA whittier. My point in all this, was Metcalf was given the choice to allow our girls to rest for 1 hour and he refused. He Put aside fairplay, and put winning a u-10 tournament as his priority. And yes he’s a douche bag!

Quit while your only a little behind. How do you know families on that team didn’t have plans that after the finals? Did the Coach have another game that he would have missed if he waited to play? You have no idea what the other team faced So stop making a fool of yourself.

They knew the times and so did your team, but you chose to come hear and relentlessly bash a Coach and Team for not giving into your wants/needs. Why do your needs trump theirs?

Been in the same situation a few times over my DD’s careers to this point and have one suggestion.....

Move on and enjoy watching them play. It’s a fun age!

 

[Primetime]

Sounds like a good idea. Which tournaments publish their schedules before the sign-up limit date?

They all play at least 3 games in two days, advancing (which EVERYONE wants) means 4 and sometimes 5 games in 2 days. I'm sure what he/she meant was you know there's 3-5 games coming in a 36 hour span so it's no surprise or egregious act that there was a lot of games in a short time. Right, wrong or in between its club soccer in Southern California for the past slew of years and the foreseeable future.

 

[Primetime]

Sounds to me you might be a parent from Metcalf team. Or affiliated with CDA whittier. My point in all this, was Metcalf was given the choice to allow our girls to rest for 1 hour and he refused. He Put aside fairplay, and put winning a u-10 tournament as his priority. And yes he’s a douche bag!

I have on multiple occasions (not always) turned down the request for water breaks water breaks during games if I felt they weren't necessary for my team. It Doesn't mean I'm inconsiderate of players safety or anything of the sorts.. It means If I feel my team doesn't need a water break and or is well prepared to play the game without one that's my choice to make and my responsibilty to look out for the kids That I coach. Same as it is for the team were playing against. If players need breaks or a sub that's part of coaching those situations. If it gives us an advantage then great cause that's what we prepare and train for. Having better endurance and longer stamina is an advantage we hope to gain over every team we play. That's one of the big goals we work toward. The safety or well being of the other teams players are the responsibilty of the their coaches, managers, parents,Referees, clubs, organizations and hosting tournament or gaming circuit. The opposing coach is literally on the bottom of that list. God forbid If something would've happened to any kids on your team due to exhaustion or anything close it certainly wouldn't have been the other coaches fault. Really ???? What sense does that make. Don't get it twisted, Doesn't mean I don't care or sypathize or whatever it's just the facts Mam, the other coach isn't the guy responsible for the things your claiming he should be or should've been.

And BTW for the record Metcalf is a long time Firefighter and his wife a long time school teacher. Hardly the crowd to forgo children's safety. Lol.

 

[El Clasico]

I have on multiple occasions (not always) turned down the request for water breaks water breaks during games if I felt they weren't necessary for my team. It Doesn't mean I'm inconsiderate of players safety or anything of the sorts.. It means If I feel my team doesn't need a water break and or is well prepared to play the game without one that's my choice to make and my responsibilty to look out for the kids That I coach. Same as it is for the team were playing against. If players need breaks or a sub that's part of coaching those situations. If it gives us an advantage then great cause that's what we prepare and train for. Having better endurance and longer stamina is an advantage we hope to gain over every team we play. That's one of the big goals we work toward. The safety or well being of the other teams players are the responsibilty of the their coaches, managers, parents,Referees, clubs, organizations and hosting tournament or gaming circuit. The opposing coach is literally on the bottom of that list. God forbid If something would've happened to any kids on your team due to exhaustion or anything close it certainly wouldn't have been the other coaches fault. Really ???? What sense does that make. Don't get it twisted, Doesn't mean I don't care or sypathize or whatever it's just the facts Mam, the other coach isn't the guy responsible for the things your claiming he should be or should've been.

And BTW for the record Metcalf is a long time Firefighter and his wife a long time school teacher. Hardly the crowd to forgo children's safety. Lol.

You had me right up until you suggested that the Metcalfs care about kids simply because he is a firefighter and she a school teacher.