Heat warning this weekend

I find it hard to believe that some of these clubs don't give AF about the safety of kids. Well, maybe I take that back....I'm not surprises with some clubs. I'm specifically talking 2nd and 3rd graders as it pertains to our team's situation. These are not heat conditioned athletes who can police their own hydrating. It's like pulling teeth to get my son to hydrate a day prior to a game, but it's critical. Our club has cancelled all home games after 11am. When it becomes blatantly obvious they'd rather get the forfeit than deal with the inconvenience of rescheduling, you know it isn't about the safety of the players. These kids are out there to have fun. And SoCal league has provided ZERO guidance in this. Just "you guys deal with it and tell parents to stop emailing us" email to all staff. We have a parent who is a sports medicine doctor and they are pretty clear it is high risk to play in 100 degree temps, on a turf field in Spring Valley. You can figure out who the club is...
Kudos to the club we are playing. They, along with a few other clubs now are postponing or rescheduling games.
 
IMO its not so much the heat itself, its the basic preparation for it. Low hundreds with low humidity is a non-issue with proper hydration, shade, hydration/cooling breaks, cooling towels etc. Even having a slight breeze makes a huge difference. I went for a hike yesterday in 100+ degree weather with a 20 lb weight vest and with a slight breeze it was tolerable (and I would only consider myself marginally fit). Football kids in East County have been practicing with helmets all week with no issues that I'm aware of. It is really important though for coaches and parents to be aware of the signs of dehydration and heat exhaustion.

As I mentioned before, the heat is more of an issue with parents, and some refs (you know which ones), than it is for healthy, active kids.
Agree on all counts. See the large difference between the nominal air temperature, and the WBGT (which the chart above is based on). 100F is totally fine (athletically) if the humidity is relatively low (less than ~30%), it only gets bad in combination with high humidity (and practically, with a lack of wind/shade, etc.).

As an example, where I am currently, it is 95F with 37% humidity, which is just under 75F WBGT; green and fine for athletic activity. It's hot for sure, but not even into the yellow range, even though the school has cancelled PE, etc.

No issue with parents being extra cautious, of course, but I wouldn't have a problem with my kid playing games in the current weather, personally (and our games this weekend are still on, as of this moment). Based on the science and weather forecasts, it shouldn't be an issue medically, at least for the kids.
 
Agree on all counts. See the large difference between the nominal air temperature, and the WBGT (which the chart above is based on). 100F is totally fine (athletically) if the humidity is relatively low (less than ~30%), it only gets bad in combination with high humidity (and practically, with a lack of wind/shade, etc.).

As an example, where I am currently, it is 95F with 37% humidity, which is just under 75F WBGT; green and fine for athletic activity. It's hot for sure, but not even into the yellow range, even though the school has cancelled PE, etc.

No issue with parents being extra cautious, of course, but I wouldn't have a problem with my kid playing games in the current weather, personally (and our games this weekend are still on, as of this moment). Based on the science and weather forecasts, it shouldn't be an issue medically, at least for the kids.
I think it's different depending on age group. My reference point is 7 and 8 year olds. There is lots of information on how kids regulate temperature vs. adults or teenagers... Granted, the WBGT is a valid reference, but our 2nd and 3rd graders are playing for fun and development. It's just not worth the elevated risk.

"Youth and adolescent athletes sweat less, create more heat per body mass, and acclimate much slower than adults to warmer environments, putting them at greater risk for heat-related injuries in hot and humid temperatures," states Thomas Pommering, D.O., Medical Director for Nationwide Children's Sports Medicine.
 
I find it hard to believe that some of these clubs don't give AF about the safety of kids. Well, maybe I take that back....I'm not surprises with some clubs. I'm specifically talking 2nd and 3rd graders as it pertains to our team's situation. These are not heat conditioned athletes who can police their own hydrating. It's like pulling teeth to get my son to hydrate a day prior to a game, but it's critical. Our club has cancelled all home games after 11am. When it becomes blatantly obvious they'd rather get the forfeit than deal with the inconvenience of rescheduling, you know it isn't about the safety of the players. These kids are out there to have fun. And SoCal league has provided ZERO guidance in this. Just "you guys deal with it and tell parents to stop emailing us" email to all staff. We have a parent who is a sports medicine doctor and they are pretty clear it is high risk to play in 100 degree temps, on a turf field in Spring Valley. You can figure out who the club is...
Spring Valley Surf Premier Academy Pre- Pre-ECNL ???
 
I think it's different depending on age group. My reference point is 7 and 8 year olds. There is lots of information on how kids regulate temperature vs. adults or teenagers... Granted, the WBGT is a valid reference, but our 2nd and 3rd graders are playing for fun and development. It's just not worth the elevated risk.
Totally fair; my reference is 13 year olds, for whom it's less of a deal. They sweat just fine by then.

Granted, playing in the heat isn't as "fun", and I'm not trying to make my kid suffer unnecessarily or anything, but I also don't like the idea of reinforcing the perception for my kids that if something is hard, the world owes you making it easier. We are playing our game tomorrow, forecasted temp at field is ~92F, I'll be hot, my kid will be fine.
 
I had to pull my child from playing in Norco during a hot summer showcase. Coach and many parents felt the heat was just dry heat and safe. I told them, "Sorry, were sitting out this one out and going to the beach as a family." That's called taking control of your kids' safety and the long drive to Norco from Laguna. I took some heat from a few parents and the coach because they wanted my kid there. One dude said this will prep them for college soccer. I'm the one who paid, and they just wanted my kid's ability to score and help the team win while my daughter struggles from heat stroke. Hell no!!!
You left out the part of your story where you daughter said or did something really bad ass as well. What happened to that part of your regular shtick?
 
My kid played for the Natty in Texas, and it was 105 degrees, and the Texas folks were like, "what, this is nothing. It's dry heat so stop complaining" Thank God the Natty game was late in the evening but that was gnarly weather. I will say the heat in Norco with the smog is not good after 99, Moo.
ah yes, here it is. I just needed to read a bit further down. Predictable as the sun rise.
 
Predictable as the sun rise.
So are you loser;) Heat stroke is not good for the kids. Look, been there and done it. Were all addicted to watching our kids play soccer and the money makers in this sport need us to pay for parking. When it's hot as hell, go to the beach with the family and wait for the weather to cool down. Trust me, it's not worth it.
 
This weekend most of San Diego County east of I-5 to the mountains is predicted to be from 100 to 111 degrees with poor air quality and a sun index of 9-10. There is absolutely no reason to play in those conditions and games should be rescheduled. Even some coastal cities are predicted to hit 100+, on Sunday Carlsbad 100, Oceanside 101. My sister lives in the Glendora area and said the thermometer on her patio in the shade read 114 today and she said it is predicted to be 107 this weekend. My buddy in Palm Desert said it was 126 at his house today, so I don’t feel bad at 102 at my house today.
I'm in the San Gabriel Valley and had 9 games scheduled to referee this weekend. I'm now down to just 1 which is an 8am game on Sunday. Better safe than sorry.
 
I'm in the San Gabriel Valley and had 9 games scheduled to referee this weekend. I'm now down to just 1 which is an 8am game on Sunday. Better safe than sorry.
We want you around brother. We need good refs that pull the red card when needed:cool: Heat stroke is not worth it.
 
This weekend most of San Diego County east of I-5 to the mountains is predicted to be from 100 to 111 degrees with poor air quality and a sun index of 9-10. There is absolutely no reason to play in those conditions and games should be rescheduled. Even some coastal cities are predicted to hit 100+, on Sunday Carlsbad 100, Oceanside 101. My sister lives in the Glendora area and said the thermometer on her patio in the shade read 114 today and she said it is predicted to be 107 this weekend. My buddy in Palm Desert said it was 126 at his house today, so I don’t feel bad at 102 at my house today.
What forecast were you looking at? I never saw anything like that for San Diego. It’s at the hottest party of the day right now Saturday and it’s 80 in Oceanside. Carlsbad is 81. It was never projected to be over 86 all week in those areas. Del Mar is 77.
 
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This weekend most of San Diego County east of I-5 to the mountains is predicted to be from 100 to 111 degrees with poor air quality and a sun index of 9-10. There is absolutely no reason to play in those conditions and games should be rescheduled. Even some coastal cities are predicted to hit 100+, on Sunday Carlsbad 100, Oceanside 101. My sister lives in the Glendora area and said the thermometer on her patio in the shade read 114 today and she said it is predicted to be 107 this weekend. My buddy in Palm Desert said it was 126 at his house today, so I don’t feel bad at 102 at my house today.
Bumper sticker once often seen in the beach cities -- "There is no life east of I-5".
 
What forecast were you looking at? I never saw anything like that for San Diego. It’s at the hottest party of the day right now Saturday and it’s 80 in Oceanside. Carlsbad is 81. It was never projected to be over 86 all week in those areas. Del Mar is 77.
Laguna beach is in the 90s.
 
Many of you are Jonesing big time. Trust me Mr. Jones🤣 I get it, trust me. I was crazy when my daughter was super girl when she was 10. Sorry Larz, but I have to share from experience and my own failures as a father. I worked my ass off during the week and I loved the action for Game Day Soccer and tournament time. I didn't learn my lesson until I drove my little goat home from Vegas when we played in dry heat against Las Vegas Heat, that is now Vegas Surf. Don't let that name trick you into thinking Vegas has nice cool weather like Del Mar. She was a freshman. I forget how hot it was, but because I drove 4 hours, I wanted to see my baby play against one of the top GK's in America. Poor thing lost her voice on the way home, had a severe headache, had trouble breathing and got sick for a few days. All my fault. I should have gone to the beach and listen to Surfref. Here's my honest advice, "Live to play another day."

 
Totally fair; my reference is 13 year olds, for whom it's less of a deal. They sweat just fine by then.

Granted, playing in the heat isn't as "fun", and I'm not trying to make my kid suffer unnecessarily or anything, but I also don't like the idea of reinforcing the perception for my kids that if something is hard, the world owes you making it easier. We are playing our game tomorrow, forecasted temp at field is ~92F, I'll be hot, my kid will be fine.
I'm fine at 92 degrees. Playing on turf in 100 degrees during the hottest part of the day when the temp of the turf would literally burn your feet if you are barefoot is a different story. I did that in my backyard today at about 2pm and it wasn't pleasant. At all. My stance was not based on it being fun or not, even though I did mention that. It was purely for safety reasons and unnecessary risk. At the end of the day a lot of clubs made the right decision.
 
We were supposed to play on turf tomorrow in 103 degrees at noon. Thank goodness our game is being rescheduled. I was looking forward to the first game of the fall season as much as everyone else, but it is just not worth the risk - these kids are not professionals. Even high schoolers can have heat related issues…
 
This weekend most of San Diego County east of I-5 to the mountains is predicted to be from 100 to 111 degrees with poor air quality and a sun index of 9-10. There is absolutely no reason to play in those conditions and games should be rescheduled. Even some coastal cities are predicted to hit 100+, on Sunday Carlsbad 100, Oceanside 101. My sister lives in the Glendora area and said the thermometer on her patio in the shade read 114 today and she said it is predicted to be 107 this weekend. My buddy in Palm Desert said it was 126 at his house today, so I don’t feel bad at 102 at my house today.
Not quite. Temp at the Surf fields were around 90 degrees today, fyi. Probably one of the few places games could have been played, but go inland and I think it got up to 102 in Escondido, Fallbrook and other areas in SD. Norco was 105 today and 110 tomorrow.
 
What forecast were you looking at? I never saw anything like that for San Diego. It’s at the hottest party of the day right now Saturday and it’s 80 in Oceanside. Carlsbad is 81. It was never projected to be over 86 all week in those areas. Del Mar is 77.
You are spot on, although it did get up to 90. Actually, when we go to Phoenix in the spring, it is often 100 degrees, dry and no problem. We do have ice water and wet cloths but for kids over 12, it’s not a big deal. I suspect some folk from Phoenix are laughing at us right now. We usually beat the dickens out of them, but they can ridicule us San Diegans as being wimps.
 
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