Headgear

socalkdg said:
My daughter would forgo the shin guards if she could. Speed and quickness is something she has and doesn't want to give up. She plays basketball and takes more bumps and bruises there then she has at keeper, including hits to the head on rebounds. Pretty much every girl that keeps playing as they get older is going to go head to head with other girls on the field as they try to head the ball, so if head gear is required it should be for everyone.
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Just get her a good light weight shin guard. I played youth soccer in the late 70’s when shin guards were optional and the shin guards provided very little protection. I saw several players suffer severe bone bruises or fractures of the shin when not wearing shin guards. A good pair of shin guards is essential for player safety.

I bet within a few years head gear for youth players will be mandatory in the USA.
 
socalkdg said:
What do the rules actually say about impeding? Is it only for out of bounds, or could 3 players shield the ball all the way into the goal? What about three players surrounding a keeper to keep them from moving at all? How much force is allowed to run through impeding players? How close to the ball do you have to be to impede, or does it matter? Does the position of your arms come into play while impeding?
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Impeding is in Law 12. Not something I call very often since players tend to use their hands which turns Impeding into a Holding penalty.
http://static-3eb8.kxcdn.com/documents/722/144644_310518_LotG_18_19_EN_12.pdf
 
Surfref said:
If the keeper has any level of possession of the ball between body part or body and the ground, then I would penalize with dangerous play (indirect free kick) the player that kicks the ball out of the keepers possession. Maybe even a Yellow or Red Card if there is any contact and the level of contact. Keepers a vulnerable when on the ground even when they have the ball fully secured. I have had attacker’s try to kick the hall out of keepers possession and missed and kicked the keeper in the face and body. Those very few players got a Red Card. Referees must protect the keeper once they obtain possession of the ball. Before the keeper has possession they are just another player.
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Shouldn't you/we penalize the keeper with a dangerous play? The laws only provide that a keeper cannot be challenged when they are in possession of the ball with their hands. If not, aren't they the same as any other player playing the ball on the the ground with others challenging, who are penalized for dangerous play? Or are players allowed to sit on a ball and smile (keeper or not?)
 
Multi Sport said:
I tell my DD to avoid collisions with keepers. Try to make them commit and go around them because she will always get the worst of a collision (5-7 130) But there are some big girls out there who have no problem running through a Keeper.

Her GK ran into one of those players in their last game. Took about a minute before she got up and she is a big girl. What surprised me most about it is that she was not subbed out due to concussion protocol. It was hard to tell what happened and the ref did wave the coach over but about that time she got up and motioned she was OK. Seriously.. what GK is gonna take themselves out of a game?
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Exactly!
 
coachrefparent said:
Shouldn't you/we penalize the keeper with a dangerous play? The laws only provide that a keeper cannot be challenged when they are in possession of the ball with their hands. If not, aren't they the same as any other player playing the ball on the the ground with others challenging, who are penalized for dangerous play? Or are players allowed to sit on a ball and smile (keeper or not?)
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Law 18: Common Sense
 
Multi Sport said:
I was watching my DDs U12 team play. Her keeper came out late but got to the ball before the attacking player did. The keeper got kicked and her coach yelled out to the CR about protecting the keeper but the CR just told him to calm down. The AR turned to me and said that if the keeper got hurt it would've been her own fault for coming out so late...
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Nice response by the AR putting the blame on the keeper. My keeper have been wearing a Storelli head gear for years. I want to share a concussion indecent with my keep where the CR informed me after the game the contact was clean.

It was a corner play and the opponent came from her backside with a running start. She had her eyes on the ball and the opponent with a running start jump towards her back. As they collided the opponent elbowed my keeper behind her neck (of course not SEEN by the CR or AR). She “blackout” and was carted off to the trainers tent. She didn’t pass the concussion protocol and unable to play the rest of tournament. We took her to urgent care and confirmed her concussion.

Here’s my point, I take still pictures and got clean pictureS of this sequence. As discribed above, the opponent clearly didn’t play the ball as she had her back with her elbow connecting to my DD’s back of neck. I will not pose the picture but this was during the Man City tournament a few years ago.

As mentioned, after the game, the ref came to me to tell me, it was a clean play. I didn’t say anything since I was busy taking pics.
 
coachrefparent said:
Shouldn't you/we penalize the keeper with a dangerous play? The laws only provide that a keeper cannot be challenged when they are in possession of the ball with their hands. If not, aren't they the same as any other player playing the ball on the the ground with others challenging, who are penalized for dangerous play? Or are players allowed to sit on a ball and smile (keeper or not?)
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No, because keepers are allowed to use their hands, arms, etc. All 11 players are allowed to go to the ground (slide tackle). All players owe a "duty of care" to the other players, including the keeper. When players are not "careful," its a foul for being "careless." If a keeper goes to the ground to save a ball with their hands then all players owe a duty of care to not kick at the ball in a manner that would potentially injure the keeper. If the keeper gets there first and misplays the ball then that duty of care still applies, but the attacker is free to attempt to play the ball in a manner that is careful. When other players play from the ground (perfectly legal), the "dangerous play" condition is heightened because, unlike keepers, there is no prohibition from playing a ball in the possession of a non-keeper.
 
Keeper pops said:
Nice response by the AR putting the blame on the keeper. My keeper have been wearing a Storelli head gear for years. I want to share a concussion indecent with my keep where the CR informed me after the game the contact was clean.

It was a corner play and the opponent came from her backside with a running start. She had her eyes on the ball and the opponent with a running start jump towards her back. As they collided the opponent elbowed my keeper behind her neck (of course not SEEN by the CR or AR). She “blackout” and was carted off to the trainers tent. She didn’t pass the concussion protocol and unable to play the rest of tournament. We took her to urgent care and confirmed her concussion.

Here’s my point, I take still pictures and got clean pictureS of this sequence. As discribed above, the opponent clearly didn’t play the ball as she had her back with her elbow connecting to my DD’s back of neck. I will not pose the picture but this was during the Man City tournament a few years ago.

As mentioned, after the game, the ref came to me to tell me, it was a clean play. I didn’t say anything since I was busy taking pics.
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Until the powers that be finally decide that the game needs more then three Refs we will have to deal with these type of plays.
 
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