After the initial surge starting in March, we had one starting in July and one starting in October. That's about every 4 months, more or less.
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After the initial surge starting in March, we had one starting in July and one starting in October. That's about every 4 months, more or less.
With the qualification that this isn't my balliwick, I think it's been proven there have been matters of fraud, most notably people who no longer live in the state voting in the state notwithstanding they are no longer residents. There was even an instance of a poll worker caught on tape destroying a Trump ballot and flipping it the bird (corrective steps were taken in that case). There are also some statistical anomalies regarding the rate of which signatures in Biden heavy areas have been rejected in comparison to past elections. There is definitely some smoke there.
The legal issue is that smoke isn't enough to overturn a democratic election and the Trump campaign has been very short on proof that would show a massive conspiracy in the amounts necessary to overturn some of these margins. And when you are pursuing a lawsuit, let alone trying to overturn a democratic election, yes the burden of proof is absolutely on you. Legally, the Trump campaign would have to prove that not only was there fraud, but the fraud was in such a level that it would have overturned a democratic election. In Pennsylvania their strongest argument is that the mail in ballots were not constitutional under the PA constitution, but it's complicated, and it's a little late to be making this argument.
But that's not the only question. The other question is do Republican voters believe the election was stolen and a surprising number of them do. And it's not just the legal stealing which counts in this question but the thumb which several people have put on the scales such as: the Russia investigation, the impeachment, the press bias (including during debate moderation), the position taken by big tech, the mass mail in ballots, and now the allegations of cheating (even if that cheating, such as restricting poll monitors from observing, didn't in fact change the outcome of the election). It sets up a situation where the narrative from here from Trump is that the election was stolen, and a large part of the Republican base will believe it. Add to this that Biden seems reluctant to publicly go against his experts (even the ones on his taskforce calling for a lockdown) and seems to be reinstalling a lot of Obama admin people in the admin (as opposed to Sanders/Warrens rebels, and which will be characterized by Rs as the swamp coming back).
More concerning, the polls showed a large number of D voters doubted the legitimacy of the 2016 elections. Build in 2000 to that and you have a situation rapidly developing where neither party will believe in the veracity of elections and will be determined to do whatever it takes to put a thumb on the scale for the next one. It's not a good situation for a republic when election integrity begins to disintegrate.
A great article making a point I've been harping on for months now........
www.scientificamerican.com
The COVID Science Wars
Shutting down scientific debate is hurting the public health
Pretty much says it all. Debate is dead. You either shout down the opposing opinion, prevent it from being heard in the first place, mischaracterize your opponents argument and/or insult your opponent while being sanctimonious about it the entire time, aka "I know what's best for you". Or the nuclear option which is apparently to threaten the person's life for having an opinion different than yours.A great article making a point I've been harping on for months now........
The COVID Science Wars
Shutting down scientific debate is hurting the public health
notintheface
GOLD
No. None of the vaccines will be a live virus, eg you can't infect anyone if you get any of the vaccines.
My understanding is that you get one shot which kickstarts the antibody creation, then after two weeks you get the booster shot which your body uses to give the long-lasting immunity.
I'm interpreting this as "don't go out to a bar the night after you get your vaccine". Maybe there will be a 30-day window after your first shot where you should continue to behave as if you could be infected at any time? Not sure-- doctors will be given the best advice to give to their patients.
People registered to vote and then sent away on military or other government orders are still allowed to vote in their precinct of registration even if they have not lived in that precinct for years. Maybe you should consult a lawyer.
"an instance of a poll worker caught on tape destroying a Trump ballot and flipping it the bird" -- I have not heard of that one. Do you have a link to the story?
Statistical anomalies? Isn't that Rudy's latest position? Or Sidney's?
The real question is how long it will take the most ardent trumpists (that is certainly not all Republicans) to realize they have been hoodwinked for 4 years.
A great article making a point I've been harping on for months now........
The COVID Science Wars
Shutting down scientific debate is hurting the public health
The point of the article is that in our response to the pandemic we should look for something "acceptable".
Nah this is people who filed a change of address card and still voted. The poll worker was on election night and was tweeted. I'm not going to search past tweets for an hour to find it for you, but it was reported to have been dealt with.
47% of Republicans think the election was stolen and 70% didn't think it was free and fair. That ain't good.
Would love to see what you pull on the SAT reading comprehension portion. The point of the article is that scientific questioning and debate is being shut down, and they compare it to past times its happened (like the cholera outbreaks).
"Reading comprehension " again? They have changed the names of the tests since I took them, but I placed in the upper 2% of what they were giving at the time.
As for debate being "shut down", I haven't had any trouble reading multiple opinions since the excitement started.
Bruddah IZ
DA
You mean because Mueller couldn't prove Russian collusion? Or is it because Biden reminds you of Mueller?
kickingandscreaming
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It's too early to draw a conclusion, but no surge noticed due to Thanksgiving so far. Here are 11 states that were into a downturn in cases before Thanksgiving and have continued in that direction. There are quite a few other states that appeared to start down around Thanksgiving and have continued down. Additionally, only the following states were showing a noticeable increase in cases the last week.
-- NV, OH, PA, DE, NJ, CA, NC, NY, OR, VA, DC.
-- NV, OH, PA, DE, NJ, CA, NC, NY, OR, VA, DC.
Coronavirus in the U.S.: Latest Map and Case Count
A detailed county map shows the extent of the coronavirus outbreak, with tables of the number of cases by county.
www.nytimes.com
@Grace T. Do you have a favorite Palm you want share with all of us today? I love me some Palmist on Thanksgiving Day. I'm reading one of my Palms today before our family dinner. We will all stay as a single family unit today and then do a virtual "We miss you grandma and grandpa." Tomorrow is another day and we will celebrate the day after, Thanks
You asked Grace for a Psalm, but I’ll give you a Proverb 14:31
“Whoever oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God.”
It’s the kindness that is most needed in these times.
kickingandscreaming
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Hahaha! Were you able to read the studies that had the scientific support of experts in the months before they were published? Science doesn't suppress studies with unpopular results, but those trying to control others do.
I'm sure you have a few good examples.
Hüsker Dü
DA
As many as voter fraud examples.
Kindness with truth, yes!!! Kindness with lies is no bueno!!!
Proverbs 12:15,17,19,20 and 22
15 Stupid people always think they are right. Wise people listen to advice.
17 When you tell the truth, justice is done, but lies lead to injustice.
19 A lie has a short life, but truth lives on forever.
20 Those who plan evil are in for a rude surprise, but those who work for good will find happiness.
22 The Lord hates liars, but is pleased with those who keep their word.
Weren't you the one that was complaining about spin? A. It's very clear there's been voter fraud. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...42-248-voted-multiple-times-rv-camps-as-homes B. There has been presented no proof of a vast Democratic conspiracy that stole the election....if anything it's a bunch of orgs running around trying to bend the rules (such as giving out gift cards for votes in Nevada) or vote harvesting, C. To overturn a democratic election in court (or throw out votes), the burden of proof is absolutely on Trump, D. He not only has to show fraud but fraud in amounts necessary to overturn the margins in the relevant states, E. Given the time crunch, it's highly unlikely he'd be able to show that (that level of specity takes months) now or really ever (again there's plenty of smoke, but you need poof of fire here).
That's an opinion column (strike one) in the Washington Examiner (strike two) that quotes the lawyer for only one side (you;'re out).
It's not my side dumb dumb. As I said, I think he will and should lose given the evidence to date. But it's very clear there is evidence of voter fraud. To say there's none completely undermines your side's credibility.