Lambchop
GOLD
Not all ECNL Clubs across the country were at the same level, therefore not all ECNL only clubs are on par with the DA teams and/or DA/ECNL current clubs.
Girls DPL?
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bababooey
GOLD
I agree with Simisoccerfan about the lack of rosters on the DPL site. I think there are a couple of factors at work. First, new league and probably limited resources to the league and website. Second, it seems like many of the clubs wait until the last minute to publish their rosters (and some not at all - SCDSL).
Leading up to the start of the season, there were many DA and ECNL rosters that were non-existent or partially completed. Both ECNL and US Soccer mandate that the rosters be published at some given date, with DPL, who is the authority to mandate these things?
Leading up to the start of the season, there were many DA and ECNL rosters that were non-existent or partially completed. Both ECNL and US Soccer mandate that the rosters be published at some given date, with DPL, who is the authority to mandate these things?
Actually the game reports are great. You can see which players where rostered, who started, how long each player played, when the were subbed in and out and when goals were score. Pretty simple actually, does not take a rocket science degree.
Though "Founded on the ideology of the full DA program" DPL is actually sanctioned by USYSoccer (CalSouth) and I'm not aware they have any such mandate. In any event, are you saying this is just a glitch and the DPL rosters will actually be up in a few days or what?
jpeter
PREMIER
The DPL roster and game reports are not turned on for public/open access. It's all there and the bonzi system can show it all if they wanted to, it's not a glitch rather a choice to hide the info.
Do they tell you who has been working hard and performing well in practice? Do they tell you who is coming off injury and needs their minutes managed? Do they tell you which girls are being brought on while making changes to the formation? Do they tell you how girls are being moved into new positions to see how they react in game? NO
It is obvious you have Zero idea what the coaches are doing or thinking, the state of the game, conditions at game time, and health or conditioning of the girls subbed in or out, when making the subs. Yet you look at a snapshot on paper as a basis for a pretty ignorant comment (throwbout the "D" in DA, etc).
Well done!
bababooey
GOLD
Victoria Quinn
BRONZE
No my DD is an 02.
Just an FYI....I have already seen game reports that are wrong. Players listed playing the entire game but coming out in the 50 th minute as well as players listed playing only 10 min but getting 30.
I've also seen goals credited to the wrong players.....
I would hope they fix this asap as aren't teams penalized if they don't follow the rules. For example, each player has to start 25% of the time. I would assume that the easiest way for USsoccer to audit teams to make sure they are compliant is to look at the game reports and if they are wrong that is not good.
For the teams that I have been following, coaches have been starting their 12-18th players in the games they believe are easier. The parents that I have been speaking too are not all that happy when their starter has to travel far and sit on the bench most of the time to allow what they perceive as a "lesser" player getting their required time in. They would rather have the coach tell them to stay home. Despite having played ECNL with the same coaches, they looks at DA much differently. Not sure why when especially given that they have only played a few games other than that during the summer tournaments, the best players played a lot more and started.
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I know the conversation started with DPL v. ECNL, but subconsciously the propaganda is already working. After this post everybody here is talking about which one of those 2 leagues is superior, as if it is now assumed that both of those are superior to SCDSL Flight 1 or CSL Gold.
STOP IT!
Speaking specifically for the 04 age group, and quite likely the 03's (and 05's next year), the top teams from all the non-DA leagues are very evenly matched. Which league has the most depth, it's still to be determined, but L.A. Premiere has some balls putting DPL over SCDSL flight 1 and CSL Gold. Their 04 DPL team is marginally a Silver/Flight 2 team. No, I haven't seen them play, but their results at the summer showcase and league tell me that.
Sorry for the rant, but I'm not going to sit idly by and let the narrative (ECNL v. DPL) be repeated so often that we then assume they are both better than Flight 1 and Gold. With respect to individual teams, they are not. With respect to exposure to college recruiters, that's a whole different topic.
Although on that front I will say this, and this may be more relevant to the 05 group, if you have a very good team (flight 1, gold, silver elite) and you stick together (I know it's hard to do in SoCal), your team will be on par with many ECNL and DPL teams (and actually some DA teams). Why is this important? It's important because if the goal is college exposure, you will be invited to play in the top flight of important showcases and tournaments.
DA teams will have their own showcases and so these showcases and tournaments need the next best teams. You'll get to play ECNL teams and have college exposure without having to uproot to go to a DA team (or ECNL or DPL for that matter). Look at the 03 SDSC Navy team. They are arguably the top non-DA team (and I'm sure they can give a few of them a run for their money) and they will be a coveted team for any non-DA showcase or tournament. I don't think they will have any problem attracting college coaches. Coaches will soon figure out that even DA (13 teams) is watered down from last year's ECNL (8 teams).
Mystery Train
GOLD
I have seen this play out dramatically in the 02 age group. That age group has had to endure the most turmoil at the most critical point in gaining college exposure. From the age group change as they went into the U15 season, to the DA & DPL leagues being established, which on top of the usual off-season free agency craziness, means that almost no teams in the top 50 in SoCal stayed intact from U14 to U16. A couple that did in Flight 1 and CSL Gold (mixes of '03 and '02's that 'played up' in U14) look like well oiled machines in games. I've watched some of the DA teams play this summer and a few ECNL teams whose rosters have been shuffled because of the DA, and though they still have top notch athletes, the games are pretty ragged compared to what I saw in years past at the same age groups. Every year there is movement on all teams, but some of the rosters are almost unrecognizable and it does affect quality of play, even if you have great players.
And just to top off my rant, what we are blessed with here in SoCal is tremendous depth. If you took our top 50 teams in any age group and put them against any other state's top 50, I think our worst record would be 35-15. We would go 50-0 against many states and only suffer single digit losses against most. SoCal team number 35 would be a top 5-10 team almost anywhere else. On a scale of elite, excellent, very good, good, average, . . .we have a ton of very good. That's where we crush the competition.
On average, you probably have about 5 elite teams, followed by about 10 excellent teams, then about 30 very good teams. The difference within each group is minimal imo. At least in the 04 age group, I believe ECNL, Flight 1, DPL, and CSL gold are filled with mostly very good teams (maybe a couple of excellent teams). Thus, the difference between the top teams in these leagues is minimal imo.
On average, you probably have about 5 elite teams, followed by about 10 excellent teams, then about 30 very good teams. The difference within each group is minimal imo. At least in the 04 age group, I believe ECNL, Flight 1, DPL, and CSL gold are filled with mostly very good teams (maybe a couple of excellent teams). Thus, the difference between the top teams in these leagues is minimal imo.
ADPSOCCER
SILVER ELITE
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WOW!
To be clear, the pyramid explains "INDIVIDUAL PLAYER PATHWAYS" @ LA Premier. And is used to educate parents on the levels a player may be placed into if they have interest in the LA Premier Program. Nothing to do with any other club or a statement on other league levels. However, LA Premier believes DA will be the highest level of play in the country.
Here is the verbiage that accompanies the pyramid... pretty simple stuff.
"These pyramids represent an insight into how our DA staff process initial requests to join our Academy structure and are designed to be a guideline to the selection process and not a rule.
Exceptions are made for players that possess a Defining Quality that the coach believes the squad is in need of, at any specific age group. More information can be sought by discussing your child directly with a member of our LA Premier Academy Staff. "
LA Premier doesn't have ECNL, some clubs have both DA and ECNL.
EACH Clubs pyramid may be different...
There are a few more graphics on the same page, with more information that clearly defines ECNL as a prominent National League.
http://www.lapremierfc.com/football/girlsacademy
Hey everybody, sorry for posting a graphic directly from the LA Premier website showing DPL and ECNL on the same level of a talent pyramid. It turns out DPL wouldn't for a minute want us to believe that their teams/players are on par with ECNL. It's entirely our fault for believing they could possibly be trying to communicate something like that with this image.
I further apologize for jumping to the irrational conclusion that a graphic entitled "LA Premier FC Pyramid vs Non DA Clubs" could in any way be interpreted as a statement or commentary on other clubs or leagues.
Mackerel Sam
BRONZE
Are you implying you expect people to read complete sentences instead of just looking at a picture? Not just any sentences too, but ones so long that they can't be tweeted or texted. Ridiculous.
Kevin Redding
BRONZE
Any idea how far in the future they put out the schedules?
ultimate20
SILVER
Is this posted somewhere on the USSDA site? Thanks.