Girls Development Academy

This post is SoCal snobbery at its finest as the #1 u17 team in the SW conference this season was SCDS. The u15 SCDS team finished 4th. Arizona definitely has enough talent for a GDA and an ECNL team.
First my DD plays in the desert; secondly, I NEVER said places like Arizona or Nevada didn't have the talent, I said "the talent pool wasn't large enough/deep enough to field both like it is in SoCal. It simply doesn't equate." I said the problem was that 80% of the population will not have access because of our geographical locations. Nevada has one club with ecnl; Arizona has 2. You mentioned two teams out the 10 ecnl teams in Arizona. Those in the southwest conference know the real. In states with smaller population pools it will be one or the other in order for it to work, that's if they have the 225 k to get in.
 
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Based on population how does San Diego end up doing well..ie ECNL and now a DA? Their population in the county is approx the same size as the Phx metro area. Are they just pulling in players from the county...or are people commuting in from LA?
 
In all likelihood, the girls DA will have more exposure to college coaches than the ECNL. The pro-ECNL crowd tries to espouse the ECNL as the greatest league ever. (Far from it.) Eventually, a greater percentage of players in the girls DA will be committed to college programs than girls in the ECNL. Plain and simple. It might be to a cellar dweller in the toughest women's soccer conference in the country, or it could be somewhere else. But the DA girls will have their choice of schools, whereas the ECNL players will be getting whatever is leftover.

The big picture here is that in 5 to 10 years, maybe closer to 10, GDA will be the direct path to professional womens soccer, not college, college soccer will eventually drop off the map, as it should...unless US soccer discontinues the path it is currently trying to establish...many of our kids will probably not be affected by all this or reap the benefits, but our kids will play a role in and be part of the change that creates a better soccer environment for future generations..this is a long term project
 
anybody here know when the report for the audit from double pass is due to come out? really interested in its findings and recommendations given our unique circumstances.
lack of a proper soccer pyramid and getting rid of so many unlinked leagues should probably top that list
 
Based on population how does San Diego end up doing well..ie ECNL and now a DA? Their population in the county is approx the same size as the Phx metro area. Are they just pulling in players from the county...or are people commuting in from LA?
L.A . County girls have very long commutes!
 
The big picture here is that in 5 to 10 years, maybe closer to 10, GDA will be the direct path to professional womens soccer, not college, college soccer will eventually drop off the map, as it should...unless US soccer discontinues the path it is currently trying to establish...many of our kids will probably not be affected by all this or reap the benefits, but our kids will play a role in and be part of the change that creates a better soccer environment for future generations..this is a long term project
Boys DA has been around for a decade and boys are still playing college soccer! Why would it be any different on the girls side?
 
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Boys DA has been around for a decade and boys are still playing college soccer! Why would it be any different on the girls side?

Its called infancy, MLS is still evolving and slowly trying to become a reputable league, boys DA is still evolving, US soccer in general is still evolving and playing catch up, many things to be figured out and corrected still...GDA is barely in its first trimester of pregnancy with a due date of next year, womens pro soccer doesn't even really exist YET...long term brother, you can be on here all day arguing your case if you like but things are changing and will be different in the future, it will be ok...you must really love that world class college soccer being on here 24/7 arguing its case?
 
I was when Cle

Problem is ECNL already has 8 SoCal clubs, unless they kick out a club. There isn't enough top players to form 8 competitive teams now. IMO, it's why GDA has 7 clubs at this early stage and consolidating 2 age groups per team. This will weed out the weak and send them to LA Premier....haha!

As for the ulittle parents, you will realize how important college exposure is when your DDs come of age. Unless the player has YNT, ODP team, or ID2 on their resume....it will be difficult for your DD to distinguish themselves from players who are guaranteed 3-4 ECNL showcases a year. Next year add GDA team players to that mix. The result will be the small boutique clubs/teams have to WIN USYS National Cup, Regionals and Nationals...to gain guaranteed acceptance into Surf Cup and Surf College Cup to get in front of college coaches.

https://usys-assets.ae-admin.com/assets/929/15/Past_NCS_Champions_by_State_15_1.pdf

I don't see any Arsenal girl's championships listed. The first championship was in ECNL the first year the club joined the league (kind of ironic).
 
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This post is SoCal snobbery at its finest as the #1 u17 team in the SW conference this season was SCDS. The u15 SCDS team finished 4th. Arizona definitely has enough talent for a GDA and an ECNL team.

How did those teams do in the Championships?
 
Its called infancy, MLS is still evolving and slowly trying to become a reputable league, boys DA is still evolving, US soccer in general is still evolving and playing catch up, many things to be figured out and corrected still...GDA is barely in its first trimester of pregnancy with a due date of next year, womens pro soccer doesn't even really exist YET...long term brother, you can be on here all day arguing your case if you like but things are changing and will be different in the future, it will be ok...you must really love that world class college soccer being on here 24/7 arguing its case?
The only way it evolves is when corporations INVEST in purchasing TV commercial adds in the millions to billions. Then mens salary can increase across the board. Refer to NBA's new TV deal! MLS is not in it's infancy, I believe the league has been around for 2 decades. Tough to be a major U.S. mens sports attraction competing against matured leagues like the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, NASCAR, PGA and European Soccer Leagues such as La Liga, EPL and Bundesliga for lucrative TV adds.

You live in lala land, if you seriously think womens soccer will be a major sports attraction. US WNT is #1 in the world and already draws millions to watch them play in the Olympics and World Cup, yet NWSL continues to struggle drawing any form of attendance at their games. Women soccer has been around for almost 3 decades in the US (world leader in the womens game) it sure is taking a long time to evolve. Wait, it has evolved after 2 defunct leagues...NWSL learned they have to pay their rank and file players poverty level salaries to remain solvent. Refer to Hope Solo's recent article. Yet, you post with US Soccer creating a GDA that will all change in a decade. I will bet you $$$$, that a decade from now....it will be the same!

In conclusion, yes...I will inform my DD to play college soccer, get her degree, continue working hard when she enters the work force and the result will be guaranteed a higher salary than the average NWSL player!
 
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I not sure I agree with your first sentence. Good luck to your DD and her education.

NC State Women's Soccer
2015 - 4-wins-15 -losses
2014 - 2-wins-15-losses
2013 - 7 wins - 12 - losses
2012 - 5 wins - 14 losses

NC State's ACC conference record.

2015- 0 wins and 10 losses
2014- o wins and 10 losses
2013- 2 wins and 8 losses

The head coach better start looking for a new job.
 
What do you mean by this statement? I assume you mean that Legends FC could not win a USYS Championship if the ECNL teams were involved. That is what you are implying, correct? Or are you going to duck out on your meaning? Guess what, they did and they have. And the latest ECNL club to join, TopHat from Georgia, couldn't even get out of pool play in the most recent USYS National Championship.
No, but you did post that US Soccer loves to pick YNT from ECNL rosters. Where do you think US Soccer will pick their YNT from in the future? C'mon, spit it out. Even you can spell D-A.

Cali - Your zeal is admirable. But dang, you suffer from selective dementia and a twist of denial.....don't you recall the beat down your beloved L99's received the last 2 - 3 times they played the blues? But like Tophat, blues/defending ecnl champ "didn't even make it out of pool play" at this years ecnl playoffs.

They say be careful what you wish for....... 2017/18 is your year compadre, time to get outta the kitty pool and into the sea. ;)
 
Heck, the average female coaching gu12 players in So Cal makes more $$ than most NWSL players.

True. Based on the amount of female youth/HS & college players from Socal, you'd think we'd have more female coaching involvement from former players still wanting to be evolved in the game and put f$$d on the table.
 
Can somebody please bash the other's club, league choice, daughter or college selection? There hasn't been a post in over 12 hours and I am going through serious withdraw symptoms...
 
So in summary,
Let us keep education and soccer on the same path (apperently, because you keep talking about education and degrees, while i am talking about soccer in a soccer discussion) and have the majority of our homegrown talent age out and hang em up at 24, because it is more important to find a regular job
We will never have a successful professional womens league ( not sure who on here said it would be a major sports attraction)

Got it, US Soccer should have hired you as a consultant instead bro
The only way it evolves is when corporations INVEST in purchasing TV commercial adds in the millions to billions. Then mens salary can increase across the board. Refer to NBA's new TV deal! MLS is not in it's infancy, I believe the league has been around for 2 decades. Tough to be a major U.S. mens sports attraction competing against matured leagues like the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, NASCAR, PGA and European Soccer Leagues such as La Liga, EPL and Bundesliga for lucrative TV adds.

You live in lala land, if you seriously think womens soccer will be a major sports attraction. US WNT is #1 in the world and already draws millions to watch them play in the Olympics and World Cup, yet NWSL continues to struggle drawing any form of attendance at their games. Women soccer has been around for almost 3 decades in the US (world leader in the womens game) it sure is taking a long time to evolve. Wait, it has evolved after 2 defunct leagues...NWSL learned they have to pay their rank and file players poverty level salaries to remain solvent. Refer to Hope Solo's recent article. Yet, you post with US Soccer creating a GDA that will all change in a decade. I will bet you $$$$, that a decade from now....it will be the same!

In conclusion, yes...I will inform my DD to play college soccer, get her degree, continue working hard when she enters the work force and the result will be guaranteed a higher salary than the average NWSL player!


You keep talking about degrees and education....i am not talking about degrees and education, i am talking about soccer, stop intertwining soccer with education and maybe you will be fully able to grasp the concept of what some of us are talking about and what DA is about...i told you since day one i am talking strictly about soccer...soccer, the current quality, possible improvements, development etc etc...you keep going back to "i'm telling my daughter to get a degree and a job and to make lots of money", although that's great and all that is not what my point of this discussion is about. I am here to talk about soccer and to discuss making someones dream of playing professional soccer a reality.
If you don't want to be a professional player than yes go play college soccer and age out, be done.
If you want to play professionally as a job and you have the skills it takes early and full commitment as well as many risks and that is what DA is for both men and someday women. If you don't like those risks then don't friggin do it. Opportunities are still slim, but things are growing and evolving.
My point is that the DA system is a proven system to develop PROFESSIONAL soccer players and a proven feeder system to both professional clubs and national squads around the soccer playing world and we are using a broken system, with no pyramid and a system were college soccer is way to high up on the chain. College soccer can be part of a soccer pyramid, no doubt but it has to be on the amateur level and way lower than it currently is and right now it is right below MLS's only "flight".
How many of our good players hang em up at 24 or leave the country to go play level 2, 3 or 4 soccer because there are no other good playing opportunities here after college other than one flight of MLS? Thats the age when most good players in other nations are starting to rake in good contracts (mens side).
secondly no one here ever said that a womens soccer league would me a major sports attraction ,lets dial it back a few notches and go back to what i actually said which is a "successful league", meaning it can survive, pay competitive wages and benefits. If you think i'm in lala land on that more power to you. You probably thought women would never have the ability to vote either, yes?
you don't think the majority would have rather had a professional soccer career if that path was available than having to go to college and play and the hang them up, which currently is the only option? c'mon man i'm talking about soccer and soccer players that are passionate about the sport they play, not education and degrees.

there is a reason US soccer rolled out DA, there is a bigger picture and plan, you just either don't see it or you don't want to see it. and that's ok. for the 5th time probably, this is a long term project with a bigger picture at the end of the tunnel.
embrace the change and be part of it or get left behind my man, either way I could care less.
 
OK SpeedK1llz, here you go...

What happened to Legends the last time that team played Blues or any of the other SoCal ECNL teams?

Sure you want to know Mappy? There is a very limited history of Legends FC G99 v. ECNL teams since the ECNL decided to limit the number of teams that they had to play against starting in the U14 season. But since you asked...in the most recent 11 meetings of Legends v. ECNL teams, Legends FC G99 has had 9 wins and 2 losses. This record does not include our first National Championship victory against the ECNL Michigan Hawks, in which all teams (ECNL, pre-ECNL, EGSL, ECNL Reserve, Pre-ECNL Private Special Grand Reserva, and non-ECNL) participated. These results are from the beginning of the U14 ECNL for this age group, which started following the last true national championship at U13.

As for details:
Beat West Coast ECNL-5/30/2015
Beat Blues ECNL twice, lost once-5/29/2015, 9/2/2013, 1/20/14
Beat Arsenal ECNL twice-8/3/2014, 8/4/2013
Beat Eagles ECNL 1/19/2014
Beat Real So Cal ECNL 9/2/2013
Beat Mustang ECNL 8/31/2013
Beat Strikers ECNL 8/31/2013
Lost to Slammers ECNL 8/5/2013

In a bid for honest and open disclosure, Legends FC G99 also lost to the Blues in a friendly within the past year in which the score was 4-0. I have said many times, they are a good team. ECNL is an acceptable route...but it is not the only route to the next level.
 
So in summary,
Let us keep education and soccer on the same path (apperently, because you keep talking about education and degrees, while i am talking about soccer in a soccer discussion) and have the majority of our homegrown talent age out and hang em up at 24, because it is more important to find a regular job
We will never have a successful professional womens league ( not sure who on here said it would be a major sports attraction)

Got it, US Soccer should have hired you as a consultant instead bro



You keep talking about degrees and education....i am not talking about degrees and education, i am talking about soccer, stop intertwining soccer with education and maybe you will be fully able to grasp the concept of what some of us are talking about and what DA is about...i told you since day one i am talking strictly about soccer...soccer, the current quality, possible improvements, development etc etc...you keep going back to "i'm telling my daughter to get a degree and a job and to make lots of money", although that's great and all that is not what my point of this discussion is about. I am here to talk about soccer and to discuss making someones dream of playing professional soccer a reality.
If you don't want to be a professional player than yes go play college soccer and age out, be done.
If you want to play professionally as a job and you have the skills it takes early and full commitment as well as many risks and that is what DA is for both men and someday women. If you don't like those risks then don't friggin do it. Opportunities are still slim, but things are growing and evolving.
My point is that the DA system is a proven system to develop PROFESSIONAL soccer players and a proven feeder system to both professional clubs and national squads around the soccer playing world and we are using a broken system, with no pyramid and a system were college soccer is way to high up on the chain. College soccer can be part of a soccer pyramid, no doubt but it has to be on the amateur level and way lower than it currently is and right now it is right below MLS's only "flight".
How many of our good players hang em up at 24 or leave the country to go play level 2, 3 or 4 soccer because there are no other good playing opportunities here after college other than one flight of MLS? Thats the age when most good players in other nations are starting to rake in good contracts (mens side).
secondly no one here ever said that a womens soccer league would me a major sports attraction ,lets dial it back a few notches and go back to what i actually said which is a "successful league", meaning it can survive, pay competitive wages and benefits. If you think i'm in lala land on that more power to you. You probably thought women would never have the ability to vote either, yes?
you don't think the majority would have rather had a professional soccer career if that path was available than having to go to college and play and the hang them up, which currently is the only option? c'mon man i'm talking about soccer and soccer players that are passionate about the sport they play, not education and degrees.

there is a reason US soccer rolled out DA, there is a bigger picture and plan, you just either don't see it or you don't want to see it. and that's ok. for the 5th time probably, this is a long term project with a bigger picture at the end of the tunnel.
embrace the change and be part of it or get left behind my man, either way I could care less.

I understand what you are posting, I know about international soccer academies-my stepfather played for the Dortmund Development Youth Division until U17 and told me the entire process when he grow up in Germany.

US Soccer does have a level below MLS.... It's the USL, I recently read aligned with MLS teams and is now considered their minor league. This was created for boys wanting to skip college soccer, yet Jordan Morris played for Stanford and was still drafted and plays for the Sounders. If his career is cut short he always has his Stanford/college degree to fall back on. If being drafted by a MLS team meant millions of money out of HS, then yes he probably would have skipped college like baseball players do....then again, that isn't the case at the present is it?

Yes, I comprehend you are posting about girls dreaming of playing professional women's soccer. The problem still remains there is NO FINANCIAL incentive to skip playing college soccer altogether and make a comfortable living playing professional women's soccer. The only player that gave up her college eligibility was Lindsey Horan and she was a YNT starter. So for non-YNT starters and below....which is probably 99.999999% of the girls playing. It's NOT going to happen. Thus, why I said you are in lala land, which is okay....because, there always needs to be a dreamer in this world.

You are also assuming , US Soccer created a Girls DA league as an alternative route for girls to skip college altogether and play womens soccer professionally. Please post an article that April Heinrich or Jill Ellis stated just that.

NOW for USSDA......there is the huge difference and you should know this. US BOYS and GIRLS DA are NOT fully funded (except MLS teams), where as on the international level (at least) on the boys side it is, inculding smaller professional level 3/4 clubs. I have no clue, if the international girls academies are fully funded, but I would say it is....because, the Euro leagues revenues are in multi-millions and are capable to subsidize a womens team.
 
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So in summary,
Let us keep education and soccer on the same path (apperently, because you keep talking about education and degrees, while i am talking about soccer in a soccer discussion) and have the majority of our homegrown talent age out and hang em up at 24, because it is more important to find a regular job
We will never have a successful professional womens league ( not sure who on here said it would be a major sports attraction)

Got it, US Soccer should have hired you as a consultant instead bro



You keep talking about degrees and education....i am not talking about degrees and education, i am talking about soccer, stop intertwining soccer with education and maybe you will be fully able to grasp the concept of what some of us are talking about and what DA is about...i told you since day one i am talking strictly about soccer...soccer, the current quality, possible improvements, development etc etc...you keep going back to "i'm telling my daughter to get a degree and a job and to make lots of money", although that's great and all that is not what my point of this discussion is about. I am here to talk about soccer and to discuss making someones dream of playing professional soccer a reality.
If you don't want to be a professional player than yes go play college soccer and age out, be done.
If you want to play professionally as a job and you have the skills it takes early and full commitment as well as many risks and that is what DA is for both men and someday women. If you don't like those risks then don't friggin do it. Opportunities are still slim, but things are growing and evolving.
My point is that the DA system is a proven system to develop PROFESSIONAL soccer players and a proven feeder system to both professional clubs and national squads around the soccer playing world and we are using a broken system, with no pyramid and a system were college soccer is way to high up on the chain. College soccer can be part of a soccer pyramid, no doubt but it has to be on the amateur level and way lower than it currently is and right now it is right below MLS's only "flight".
How many of our good players hang em up at 24 or leave the country to go play level 2, 3 or 4 soccer because there are no other good playing opportunities here after college other than one flight of MLS? Thats the age when most good players in other nations are starting to rake in good contracts (mens side).
secondly no one here ever said that a womens soccer league would me a major sports attraction ,lets dial it back a few notches and go back to what i actually said which is a "successful league", meaning it can survive, pay competitive wages and benefits. If you think i'm in lala land on that more power to you. You probably thought women would never have the ability to vote either, yes?
you don't think the majority would have rather had a professional soccer career if that path was available than having to go to college and play and the hang them up, which currently is the only option? c'mon man i'm talking about soccer and soccer players that are passionate about the sport they play, not education and degrees.

there is a reason US soccer rolled out DA, there is a bigger picture and plan, you just either don't see it or you don't want to see it. and that's ok. for the 5th time probably, this is a long term project with a bigger picture at the end of the tunnel.
embrace the change and be part of it or get left behind my man, either way I could care less.
As I say to my kids, "you have a lot of words" :)
Here is my opinion (if I understand what you are saying).
You are saying there will be a successful women's league and when that happens, the DA will be there to start the groundwork for quality Pro level talent. Successful in your opinion is a league that can support itself and pay competitive wages.

NoGoal is saying there will never be a women's league that is a major sports attraction, so college is all there is for most. Some will finish college and go pro, or go pro after being on the WNT.

I think there are two different issues here. First, I think in order for the women's league to be "successful" they really do need to be a major sports attraction (Maybe not NFL, NBA or MLB level, but up there). I think the biggest women's team sport in the US is basketball. We have the best players in the world playing in this league. Yet, they couldn't survive without the support of the NBA. So, going back to your definition of what a successful league is (self supported while offering competitive wages), even the WNBA isn't successful. So, lets say that they just need to have the ability to survive over the foreseeable future and pay competitive wages, like the WNBA.

Then I would think they would need to attach themselves to the MLS. But, that would mean the MLS will need to be a major sports attraction. Because they would need to be big enough to support themselves and a women's league.

As to your next point of the DA providing the framework to the professional league(s), I agree. But, I also think the ECNL as well as USYSA is/ were doing the same thing. I don't believe we have any lack of talent on the women's side of the ball. I also don't see where the DA will provide anything different than what is already out there.

The issue when talking about each of these leagues is, we are talking about "youth" sports, then Pro sports. There needs to be another layer of competition between "youth" sports and the pros (on the women's side). Currently that next layer is college. I think for your vision to become a reality, the NWSL needs to be that next layer and the WMLS needs to be the tip of the pyramid. But, until the MLS reaches the point that it can support itself and a women's league, I don't see it happening. So, the problem is on the men's side of the ball ;)

For my daughter's sake, I hope there is a successful women's league, but I think she will be long out of the sport if/ when it does happen.

Damn it, now I have a lot of words :)
 
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