Girls Development Academy

Kicknit22 said:
That is not a fact. That is your presumption, and that is a fact. Lol[/QUOTE
LadiesMan217 said:
I don't because I don't believe in your definition of what makes a less successful club. I do know many ECNL players joined ECNL from non-ECNL clubs.

ECNL develops nothing - it provides a competition platform (maybe it's iD program does 'some' development). Yes, of course successful players are on ECNL clubs because that is (was) the top tier so best players play there to play against the best. What standards does ECNL enforce on clubs other than competition rules?
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Name one player on a tournament team that was a starter or key contributor that played for a non ECNL club other than Tavia Leachman?
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It is very interesting being from Norcal and reading the Socal Forums. Seems like all top players in Socal are going to DA. But, here in Norcal, it seems like all ECNL all the way. Who knows what will go on in the next few months, but as of now, it seems as though the level of DA teams in Norcal will be very low!
 
EastBaySoccerFan said:
It is very interesting being from Norcal and reading the Socal Forums. Seems like all top players in Socal are going to DA. But, here in Norcal, it seems like all ECNL all the way. Who knows what will go on in the next few months, but as of now, it seems as though the level of DA teams in Norcal will be very low!
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Baahaa, no one cares what the level of DA teams in Norcal will be! Good luck with ECNL!
 
EastBaySoccerFan said:
It is very interesting being from Norcal and reading the Socal Forums. Seems like all top players in Socal are going to DA. But, here in Norcal, it seems like all ECNL all the way. Who knows what will go on in the next few months, but as of now, it seems as though the level of DA teams in Norcal will be very low!
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NorCal's club soccer market will be interesting to follow the next few years. That region will be a battleground between ECNL vs Girls DA. The clubs up there are apparently squared off against each other.
 
MakeAPlay said:
That is a flat out lie. My daughter was developed by the ECNL. What does the DA plan to do? Trust the same clubs.

Baa baaa. I here sheep....
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How did ECNL develop your daughter? Surf is a great club with some real good coaches that I am sure developed your daughter; but, what did ECNL do other than provide the competition platform? I am trying to be educated in what ECNL offers - no lies just questions and observations.
 
LadiesMan217 said:
How did ECNL develop your daughter? Surf is a great club with some real good coaches that I am sure developed your daughter; but, what did ECNL do other than provide the competition platform? I am trying to be educated in what ECNL offers - no lies just questions and observations.
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You are punch drunk with Girls DA Kool-aid. #sheep, #sucker
 
The DA vs ECNL debate won't be decided by Northern CA. Its a bit bigger than bay area and sacra-tomato. Now if SoCal defected and everyone dropped DA, then maybe you would have an issue early on, but even then if the rest of the US moved to DA SoCal ECNL would get bored playing themselves all the time.
 
Bananacorner said:
The DA vs ECNL debate won't be decided by Northern CA. Its a bit bigger than bay area and sacra-tomato. Now if SoCal defected and everyone dropped DA, then maybe you would have an issue early on, but even then if the rest of the US moved to DA SoCal ECNL would get bored playing themselves all the time.
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You're looking at the small picture. The bigger picture is, if NorCal ECNL outperforms NorCal's Girls DA clubs. Such as more YNT player invites and college commits. It could reverberate nationally.

As for SoCal getting bored playing each other, that wasn't the case with CSL Premier League and Surf dominating the Presidio League prior the ECNL's birth. Truth be told, ECNL and Girls DA needs the best SoCal clubs than the clubs needing either leagues. The college coaches all know how deep the talent is here!
 
NoGoal said:
Good read for the ulittle parents.
http://www.soccerwire.com/blog-posts/games-thrones-ecnl-vs-girls-development-academy-cold-war-rages/

Let the battle for the almighty club dollar begin!
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Instead of working together ussf (DA) , usclub (ecnl) , and usys (cal south) are competing against each other for the same "elite" pool of player in their own separate "elite" leagues with different philosophies and players mandates.

I'm not sure how any of this benefits players. parents and clubs taking sides about which is the better league. #Local problems of the privileged few

All the above orgs are closed systems without promotion or regulations that heavily they favor the establishment over everything else.

The smaller grassroots community clubs have little or no chance to get in so they struggle to retain players after a certain age.

If the established clubs don't perform or develop players they still retain membership in these leagues, the auditing that is supposed to be done for both ussf and usclub is sorely lacking or not good enough.

Having another "elite" league doesn't improve the quality or style of play. parents might be happier because they think that membership gets them something...

Better coaching, technical training, and more competitive play are what players need and these league might help in that area but the top down approach leaves a lot of players out of the equation and that's what needs to change.
 
younothat said:
Instead of working together ussf (DA) , usclub (ecnl) , and usys (cal south) are competing against each other for the same "elite" pool of player in their own separate "elite" leagues with different philosophies and players mandates.

I'm not sure how any of this benefits players. parents and clubs taking sides about which is the better league. #Local problems of the privileged few

All the above orgs are closed systems without promotion or regulations that heavily they favor the establishment over everything else.

The smaller grassroots community clubs have little or no chance to get in so they struggle to retain players after a certain age.

If the established clubs don't perform or develop players they still retain membership in these leagues, the auditing that is supposed to be done for both ussf and usclub is sorely lacking or not good enough.

Having another "elite" league doesn't improve the quality or style of play. parents might be happier because they think that membership gets them something...

Better coaching, technical training, and more competitive play are what players need and these league might help in that area but the top down approach leaves a lot of players out of the equation and that's what needs to change.
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While I would agree with much of what you say, you are incorrect in characterizing USYS/Calsouth as a closed system. Their tournaments (state/national cup) are open, and primary leagues (CRL/National League) are structured so any team can qualify or earn an invitation to participate in play-ins. There is subjectivitiy in the annual invites, but it is not closed.

While all three groups are guilty of hubris, and to often equate what is best for them as being what is best for youth soccer, what U.S. Club Soccer (ECNL) and U.S. Soccer (DA) take to another level is their desire to close the system and pick the winners.

I applaud U.S. Soccer for focusing on improving coaching standards, advocating player technical development at younger ages, as well as trying to make elite soccer more accessible by lowering the cost through needs based scholarships. However, I am not a big fan of them wanting to control and limit competition. Creativity and innovation are more often born in small start-ups than within a large entity, where challenging the status quo is rarely encouraged nor rewarded.
 
MakeAPlay said:
All of the NorCal ECNL clubs pulled out of the DA. In NorCal it is going to be a bunch of less successful clubs (other than PSV Union) leading development. What a crazy turf war.[/
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younothat said:
Instead of working together ussf (DA) , usclub (ecnl) , and usys (cal south) are competing against each other for the same "elite" pool of player in their own separate "elite" leagues with different philosophies and players mandates.

I'm not sure how any of this benefits players. parents and clubs taking sides about which is the better league. #Local problems of the privileged few

All the above orgs are closed systems without promotion or regulations that heavily they favor the establishment over everything else.

The smaller grassroots community clubs have little or no chance to get in so they struggle to retain players after a certain age.

If the established clubs don't perform or develop players they still retain membership in these leagues, the auditing that is supposed to be done for both ussf and usclub is sorely lacking or not good enough.

Having another "elite" league doesn't improve the quality or style of play. parents might be happier because they think that membership gets them something...

Better coaching, technical training, and more competitive play are what players need and these league might help in that area but the top down approach leaves a lot of players out of the equation and that's what needs to change.
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Unothat, I submit that GDA does have promotion and relegation.

The non-ECNL clubs that are "in" have been promoted to the most elite level available in the country. Clubs like Beach, Legends, Pats, LAPFC have been promoted de facto...

Also GDA has relegated some clubs...the ECNL clubs that were not invited to GDA have been relegated de facto as well...

Since clubs can apply to GDA it seems that from time to time clubs may be included and excluded based upon results and the financial fitness of the applicants...just speculation on my part but their platform seems to allow for promotion and culling in a way that was not so clear w the ECNL oligopoly...
 
soccerobserver said:
Unothat, I submit that GDA does have promotion and relegation.

The non-ECNL clubs that are "in" have been promoted to the most elite level available in the country. Clubs like Beach, Legends, Pats, LAPFC have been promoted de facto...

Also GDA has relegated some clubs...the ECNL clubs that were not invited to GDA have been relegated de facto as well...

Since clubs can apply to GDA it seems that from time to time clubs may be included and excluded based upon results and the financial fitness of the applicants...just speculation on my part but their platform seems to allow for promotion and culling in a way that was not so clear w ECNL...
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How many Boys DA clubs have been demoted? The director of the Boys DA is running things on the girls side too. I think that the number will shock you.
 
LadiesMan217 said:
How did ECNL develop your daughter? Surf is a great club with some real good coaches that I am sure developed your daughter; but, what did ECNL do other than provide the competition platform? I am trying to be educated in what ECNL offers - no lies just questions and observations.
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Who said that my daughter was developed by Surf?
 
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