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Carlsbad7 said:
Correct, all players that attend public school.

Either way you're going to end up with edge cases. (Which is why I dont like SY) At least what I proposed addresses all public school cutoff dates.
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Either it addresses 100%, or there are edge cases that it doesn't cover. Pick one.

If the chosen date is earlier in the year than the school cut-off date, the kids born in that gap may have issues depending on what school year they were allowed to start, and what year soccer team they are playing on. Same as if the chosen date is later in the year than the school cut-off date. The bigger the gap, in either direction, the more issues that are likely to show themselves. Minimizing that gap seems to be a reasonable goal. You think July 1 does that, however it seems that Aug 1 is where the powers that be are landing on so far.

And I agree, that a BY date of Jan 1 takes all of the ambiguity away, and separates biological age from school year.
 
RandomSoccerFan said:
And I agree, that a BY date of Jan 1 takes all of the ambiguity away, and separates biological age from school year.
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This may seem like nitpicking, but I think its an important to note that a calendar year cutoff is not biological age, but chronological age. Biological age can differ dramatically from calendar/chronological age...even by years.

RAE has virtually nothing to due with chronological/calendar age, it has everything to do with biological age. So RAE can't be addressed by changing the calendar cutoff.
 
watfly said:
This may seem like nitpicking, but I think its an important to note that a calendar year cutoff is not biological age, but chronological age. Biological age can differ dramatically from calendar/chronological age...even by years.

RAE has virtually nothing to due with chronological/calendar age, it has everything to do with biological age. So RAE can't be addressed by changing the calendar cutoff.
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Yes it can.

Just give the players born in the second half of the year the option to play down.

Most would choose to play with their grade in school by the time they get to High School and showcases become the focus.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
Yes it can.

Just give the players born in the second half of the year the option to play down.

Most would choose to play with their grade in school by the time they get to High School and showcases become the focus.
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Then that would effectively change BY to SY or vice versa, it makes no sense. Wait until a 6' 170# U13 born in the 2nd half of the year (based on whatever cutoff) plays down on U12. It would exacerbate the problem. It's not the calendar, its the biology. My kids were both 2 years behind on bio vs chron. It can happen the other way with bio older than chron (you know the 12 year olds that looked like they could have driven to the game). Its nothing a calendar cutoff can fix.
 
watfly said:
This may seem like nitpicking, but I think its an important to note that a calendar year cutoff is not biological age, but chronological age. Biological age can differ dramatically from calendar/chronological age...even by years.

RAE has virtually nothing to due with chronological/calendar age, it has everything to do with biological age. So RAE can't be addressed by changing the calendar cutoff.
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Correct, I should have used "chronological".
 
DropBall said:
I've been waiting 2 months for today and this vote. Today arrives and there is zero news. Not a single formal statement as far as I can tell. It's very anticlimactic. This thread is still discussing BY, SY, RAE... Does anyone have any actual news?
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Same here as it impacts decisions for December tryouts.
 
Derek1800 said:
Same here as it impacts decisions for December tryouts.
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2025/26 will stay birth year from what I'm told.
Discussion will be about 26/27 and if the school year will be 8/1 or 9/1 but no changes for 25/26.
Although it would be nice to have some communication from the Emerald City sooner rather than later.
 
dreamz said:
2025/26 will stay birth year from what I'm told.
Discussion will be about 26/27 and if the school year will be 8/1 or 9/1 but no changes for 25/26.
Although it would be nice to have some communication from the Emerald City sooner rather than later.
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Is this for SoCal league or nation wide? I have heard the rumor as well as other clubs playing up and starting early. But is that actually what is happening?
 
I'm hearing it will go back to August 1st cut off(as rumored for a long time) but not be implemented until Fall of 2026 by various organizations/leagues. Something to do with many places around the country have tryouts coming up soon and not enough time to make the change and prepare accordingly. I'm guessing something will be released in the next week.
 
soccer4us said:
I'm hearing it will go back to August 1st cut off(as rumored for a long time) but not be implemented until Fall of 2026 by various organizations/leagues. Something to do with many places around the country have tryouts coming up soon and not enough time to make the change and prepare accordingly. I'm guessing something will be released in the next week.
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I think it will depend on the league. If the league is ready, they can do it on 25/26. If not, it will be on 26/27. For inter-league tournaments, SY teams play up. I still think ECNL will do it next fall. They will get a lot of Q3/Q4 GA players, so they will win even play up in the outside tournaments. But I think ECNL will just have one more its own showcase. Outside tournaments become less meaningful for ECNL girls teams after the change.
 
CAZZZ said:
I think it will depend on the league. If the league is ready, they can do it on 25/26. If not, it will be on 26/27. For inter-league tournaments, SY teams play up. I still think ECNL will do it next fall. They will get a lot of Q3/Q4 GA players, so they will win even play up in the outside tournaments. But I think ECNL will just have one more its own showcase. Outside tournaments become less meaningful for ECNL girls teams after the change.
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Most events are us club related so it will be the same as ECNL. No chance they do different things. GA? It will be interesting what they do since they are not a us club league. Maybe through US soccer? Not sure who runs their league technically. It would be wild if a league does it one way but tournaments another way. Even they wouldn't be that messed up to our kids.
 
CAZZZ said:
I think it will depend on the league. If the league is ready, they can do it on 25/26. If not, it will be on 26/27. For inter-league tournaments, SY teams play up. I still think ECNL will do it next fall. They will get a lot of Q3/Q4 GA players, so they will win even play up in the outside tournaments. But I think ECNL will just have one more its own showcase. Outside tournaments become less meaningful for ECNL girls teams after the change.
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Many ECNL teams already play up a full year whenever they go to a non-ECNL event.

If ECNL teams have to play up by 5 months for 25/26, it's really not a big deal- especially on the girls side.
 
Hearing that leagues in other states have publicly announced today that there will be NO CHANGE from Birth Year Registration (January 1-December 1) to School Year Registration (August 1-July 31) for the coming seasonal year (Fall 25/Spring 26). In brief, US Soccer’s Board of Directors decided not to make any changes for the coming seasonal year (Fall 25/Spring 26). However, a potential change to School Year Registration (August 1-July 31) will be revisited by US Soccer, and may be in place for the (Fall 26/Spring 27) seasonal year.
 
Derek1800 said:
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Derek1800 said:
Hearing that leagues in other states have publicly announced today that there will be NO CHANGE from Birth Year Registration (January 1-December 1) to School Year Registration (August 1-July 31) for the coming seasonal year (Fall 25/Spring 26). In brief, US Soccer’s Board of Directors decided not to make any changes for the coming seasonal year (Fall 25/Spring 26). However, a potential change to School Year Registration (August 1-July 31) will be revisited by US Soccer, and may be in place for the (Fall 26/Spring 27) seasonal year.
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Which states?
 
soccer4us said:
I'm hearing it will go back to August 1st cut off(as rumored for a long time) but not be implemented until Fall of 2026 by various organizations/leagues. Something to do with many places around the country have tryouts coming up soon and not enough time to make the change and prepare accordingly. I'm guessing something will be released in the next week.
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Assuming your prediction is correct (with respect to SOCAL teams), and assuming ECNL makes the change in the fall of 2025, will these ECNL clubs carry both calendar year AND SY teams at the same time? I.e., will Beach have a U16 ECNL group (ECNL+ their RL teams) alongside a set of 2009 kids that only play SOCAL???
 
CAZZZ said:
I think it will depend on the league. If the league is ready, they can do it on 25/26. If not, it will be on 26/27. For inter-league tournaments, SY teams play up. I still think ECNL will do it next fall. They will get a lot of Q3/Q4 GA players, so they will win even play up in the outside tournaments. But I think ECNL will just have one more its own showcase. Outside tournaments become less meaningful for ECNL girls teams after the change.
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Within Southern California, what are the "leagues." SOCAL, CSL, ECNL/RL, GA/DPL, MLSN, EA/EA2. Is there anything else?
 
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