G2010...how’s the season going 2019?

Like I mentioned, I personally think Tim Kelly is a great coach, he knows how to move his players around and his players understand the direction he gives them on the sideline and are able to execute the plan of attack. That’s soccer IQ at the age level.
Don't be a fool Luis.

How can you praise a coach who you previously explained beat your team by playing kick ball?? Are you that blinded by the plastic shiny trophy?

His style does not work past 7v7. Big leg in the back kicking the ball to fast fowards in the front is recipe for disaster in your child's soccer development. Why do all the eagles teams fail when the field opens up? It's because all the soccer players left and went to play for Real and the Eagles are stuck with girls who fit some clowns system when they were younger.
Do your homework my friend because from the sound of it you are headed to the Eagles. Talk to family's who played for that coach and have left the club. You'll quickly learn about politics and how little coaching happens but that shouldn't stop you because it's all about winning.
 
Thank You Jimmy for coming in to diffuse all of this nonsense. And settle us all down. How you been? How’s your niece? They had a strong finish to their season finishing third in their bracket. Congratulations.
I can say this group of parents come close to the 03/04 parents. I still think 2013/2014 season was the craziest group of parents ever assembled, especially the Legends Combo team from Temecula, Murrieta, Lake Elsinore, Sun City, Riverside, Corona, Moreno Valley, Fontana, Colton, Rialto, San Bernardino, Chino Hills, San Dimas and Pomona. We were a mixed bag of nuts that demanded from our poor coach a "W" or else. No developing going on back in the day. Win or go home crying......lol!!!!
 
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What would you guys consider to be good development programs for Ecnl or Da that are worth taking a look and researching within the Los Angeles, Ventura county and Orange County area? Any veterans out there that can put some perspective for the clubs in this area? Or better point me to another thread where this info maybe lurking. Not trying to get out of the subject matter here and take this thread to another direction.
 
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Don't be a fool Luis.

How can you praise a coach who you previously explained beat your team by playing kick ball?? Are you that blinded by the plastic shiny trophy?

His style does not work past 7v7. Big leg in the back kicking the ball to fast fowards in the front is recipe for disaster in your child's soccer development. Why do all the eagles teams fail when the field opens up? It's because all the soccer players left and went to play for Real and the Eagles are stuck with girls who fit some clowns system when they were younger.
Do your homework my friend because from the sound of it you are headed to the Eagles. Talk to family's who played for that coach and have left the club. You'll quickly learn about politics and how little coaching happens but that shouldn't stop you because it's all about winning.
Your perspective is solid.

The only team I've seen firsthand that I've never seen resort to kickball is MVLA out of NorCal...to a lesser degree SDSC, although I think they're not as possession oriented they were even a year ago. I think part of the problem is lack of skilled personnel. In order to play possession style soccer with constant ball movement, off the ball movement, you have to have everyone on the field with not only some amount of skill, but proper technique. From what I've seen virtually every legit F1 2010 team have 3-4 girls that fit the above described bill. And typically from I see coaches like to get these top girls in iso situations to go 1 v 1 and beat a lesser player, or just play kick ball over the top to find these same advantage situations.

It's funny to me watching all these teams/coaches do pregame keep away drills, and then they instruct their player to shoot from midline on the kickoff.
 
Your perspective is solid.

The only team I've seen firsthand that I've never seen resort to kickball is MVLA out of NorCal...to a lesser degree SDSC, although I think they're not as possession oriented they were even a year ago. I think part of the problem is lack of skilled personnel. In order to play possession style soccer with constant ball movement, off the ball movement, you have to have everyone on the field with not only some amount of skill, but proper technique. From what I've seen virtually every legit F1 2010 team have 3-4 girls that fit the above described bill. And typically from I see coaches like to get these top girls in iso situations to go 1 v 1 and beat a lesser player, or just play kick ball over the top to find these same advantage situations.

It's funny to me watching all these teams/coaches do pregame keep away drills, and then they instruct their player to shoot from midline on the kickoff.

I didn’t get a chance to see MVLA play but I keep hearing from others what you are saying. if anyone has any videos of them please share. At this age imo, while some girl teams have the beginnings of possession soccer, It’s not complete they do not compare to the boys teams within the same age group. I’ve seen first hand some of the top boys 2010 teams play possession ball and they seem to be at another level right now in this aspect. Girls game is a bit uglier and more selfish while boys team just seem to get it better. Sometimes I think to myself what if I can take my DD and have her play on a boy’s team for a year or 2 cause she can play and do fine with them. She actually plays better with boys and with older girls when it comes to possession soccer than with girls her age, cause she gets it. She’s got the technique, strength and speed right now to fit well with a boys team and obviously after puberty it will change but who knows maybe a good thing for her development now.
 
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What would you guys consider to be good development programs for Ecnl or Da that are worth taking a look and researching within the Los Angeles, Ventura county and Orange County area? Any veterans out there that can put some perspective for the clubs in this area? Or better point me to another thread where this info maybe lurking. Not trying to get out of the subject matter here and take this thread to another direction.
@Luis Andres you need to ask that question under a new account. Not a single parent here would want you showing up to their DD club.
 
What would you guys consider to be good development programs for Ecnl or Da that are worth taking a look and researching within the Los Angeles, Ventura county and Orange County area? Any veterans out there that can put some perspective for the clubs in this area? Or better point me to another thread where this info maybe lurking. Not trying to get out of the subject matter here and take this thread to another direction.

Any team you find will have different level players on the same team. They all make mistakes, and some players will make more mistakes than others. Some of those mistakes result in a loss.

But no decent coach is not going to keep the bottom third on the bench. Imagine what would happen if they did. Parents of the bottom third get fed up, and leave. Club fills out the team with whoever it can find. Repeat every year. Then, when you go 9v9, you get clobbered because you have no bench to draw from.

It's better to just pick the best team you can, and then play the whole team. Even if it costs you a goal or two.
 
Any team you find will have different level players on the same team. They all make mistakes, and some players will make more mistakes than others. Some of those mistakes result in a loss.

But no decent coach is not going to keep the bottom third on the bench. Imagine what would happen if they did. Parents of the bottom third get fed up, and leave. Club fills out the team with whoever it can find. Repeat every year. Then, when you go 9v9, you get clobbered because you have no bench to draw from.

It's better to just pick the best team you can, and then play the whole team. Even if it costs you a goal or two.

No doubt you gotta play the whole team and grow as a team together but there has to be some sort of merit to deserve the playing time as well, especially in competitive club soccer atmosphere.

Do you reward the player that misses a few practices a month and is not willing to put in the full effort? What message does that give to the rest that do? What separates the starters from the bench. Most likely the starters are putting in more work and growing faster, doing the things outside practice that normally the bench wont do. My observations. should play time be equal then? Now you are pissing off the starter’s parents and they may leave as well.

Better to find the balance and set the bar for play time and use the carrot and the stick to incentivize an earned play time structure or it becomes socialism in the team. Why do I have to work harder than you if I’m not gonna be rewarded in any way. Let’s just do the bare minimum to get by and just be average. Goes both ways. Not saying not playing your bench is fair either but make them earn their playtime by the work and effort they put in and out of practice and the progress that is seen throughout the season.

Evaluations are important as well at the end of the season to measure player growth. For me, if you want equal playing time sign up for AYSO where it’s guaranteed. You want to play club travel soccer. Work hard and earn your play time and if you want more minutes and simply complain to the coach but you are not doing the things you are required then you are on the wrong team. Find one that has those values but don’t complain to the coach because you have not proven your worth on the field.

And for the ones that try hard and do all they can but just can’t seem to get better. Maybe it’s time to think about another sport or a lower flight team. If life was that easy and we all felt that we deserve equal pay, equal play time etc then we would not be the country we are today.

And as far as making mistakes, sure we all make them but we must acknowledge them not get offended by someone pointing them out and accept them and grow from them. The problem lies in not acknowledging them and continue to keep making them. Because all the people that keep shoving their mistakes under the mat. I got news for you all. It piles up and eventually it all blows up and gets exposed. And that’s about the time when kids give up, quit and don’t want to play the sport anymore because they never learned how to deal with mistakes and the emotions they feel from their shortcomings from not growing from them gets to them. Parents get offended by the simple mention of them and teach their kids the same. ThIs is dangerous and can create a weak personality and character to deal with life issues. Encourage honesty and rightful pressure, and to embrace constructive criticism and that will make them grow thick skin and be able to deal with any obstacle the world throws at them when they are an adult.

That’s why I chose to be an entrepreneur and now retired from corporate America. Don’t have to wake up and sit in dreaded la traffic. Make my own hours and have employees helping me build my dream. This gives me the opportunity to cater to my daughter and give her the support to help her become the person she strives to be. Something I had to do on my own growing up.

When you make a #mistake, there are only three things you should ever do about it: admit it, #learn from it, and don't repeat it
 
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And please don’t misinterpret my post. I’m not saying you have to be like me. Be you, do what works for you.This is what works for me and it may not work for you. But embrace the chance to be able to take constructive criticism and most important be honest to yourself. Don’t make excuses for not getting play time or think that life is simply unfair. We all experience the same 24 hours a day and it’s what you do with that time that determines the growth and progress you make as an individual. I may joke around say things that may piss people off sometimes but that’s just me playing a character on here. I respect everyone’s opinions and their own views but in retrospect I’m fair and just and do believe everyone deserves the equal opportunity to make the best out of themselves. If you truly want it you’ll get it. There is a simple law this universe operates from. And that’s That you get back what you put in.
 
Luis- I think you misunderstand. My kid tends to get far more than her share of playing time.

But it is a team game. The kids on the bench are her friends. The game is for them, too.


I totally get your point but I think you don’t understand mine. I’m talking from the perspective of our team and other teams that are striving to develop players and compete at the highest level possible. It may not reflect other teams in club soccer. We are a top 10 team in CAS and I can guarantee you that all the other teams that are in this tier do not give equal play time and may even have stricter guidelines than we do for players remaining on the team after season is over. They make cuts, recruit new players and do the necessary things to stay competitive and win games at all costs. Is that wrong? No if the parents and players understand what they are getting into and that’s what they are looking for in a team as well. No one is asking them to be on the team, they have tried out and made the team and must meet the standards to stay on the team and earn their minutes and place as starters. There is a bar that is set to make a type of team like this and I don’t see nothing wrong with it if that’s what they looking for as well.

So for someone to say that this is wrong and unfair to the bench is being bias to ones opinion and beliefs and not reflective of that team’s values and beliefs and qualifications to be part of the team. You can’t just show up with your DD and say I want to play for the g2010 SDSC Or Blues team and be a starter in games and get equal minutes. Does not happen on these kinds of teams. You have to earn that and deserve it or the rest of the parents and players will complain. That’s my point. I get what you are saying but it does not apply on these types of teams which is what Im referring too.
 
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Thank You Jimmy for coming in to diffuse all of this nonsense. And settle us all down. How you been? How’s your niece? They had a strong finish to their season finishing third in their bracket. Congratulations.

Doing good. Niece is doing good. Got the chance to go to one of her games. It’s been tough to get out after the recent surgery but making the best to stay active. The team looks promising. A talented group of girls. You guys didn’t do too bad yourselves with the second place finish under the Eagles. I see you getting in trouble with coaches, what’s the deal with the super team Real Socal is building? Gonna let my brother know about this, my niece is a talented player and I’m sure he wouldn’t mind her trying out for a team like that in such prestigious club like Real. He wants to move down to La since there are more options here for clubs.
 
I totally get your point but I think you don’t understand mine. I’m talking from the perspective of our team and other teams that are striving to develop players and compete at the highest level possible. It may not reflect other teams in club soccer. We are a top 10 team in CAS and I can guarantee you that all the other teams that are in this tier do not give equal play time and may even have stricter guidelines than we do for players remaining on the team after season is over. They make cuts, recruit new players and do the necessary things to stay competitive and win games at all costs. Is that wrong? No if the parents and players understand what they are getting into and that’s what they are looking for in a team as well. No one is asking them to be on the team, they have tried out and made the team and must meet the standards to stay on the team and earn their minutes and place as starters. There is a bar that is set to make a type of team like this and I don’t see nothing wrong with it if that’s what they looking for as well.

So for someone to say that this is wrong and unfair to the bench is being bias to ones opinion and beliefs and not reflective of that team’s values and beliefs and qualifications to be part of the team. You can’t just show up with your DD and say I want to play for the g2010 SDSC Or Blues team and be a starter in games and get equal minutes. Does not happen on these kinds of teams. You have to earn that and deserve it or the rest of the parents and players will complain. That’s my point. I get what you are saying but it does not apply on these types of teams which is what Im referring too.

Nah. my DD also plays for a top 10 team nationally. I get the whole super competitive team thing. I just have a different view of it. More birthday parties, less YNT. Best of luck to your daughter.
 
Nah. my DD also plays for a top 10 team nationally. I get the whole super competitive team thing. I just have a different view of it. More birthday parties, less YNT. Best of luck to your daughter.

Likewise sir good luck with your daughter. Unfortunately we do not make these types of decisions for the teams and if it’s done by them this way and they don’t change their ways then it’s because they have their reasons why. Wether if it’s the right thing or wrong thing is left as a question. But I can say with high probability that if they didn’t do them in that manner and made things different then most likely they would not probably be a top 10 national team. It’s not easy to be in that position without scouting, recruiting top athletic talent and making cuts, setting standards like having girls do extras outside training etc. like I mention before, you get back what you put in. And if for some reason these practices may go against ones moral views and ideas. I suggest for them to find a team that’s a better fit and less competitive but don’t expect to be a top 10 National team. But hey nothing wrong with more parties, more play dates and bonding time for the girls. Im all for that as well
 
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"Top 10 national teams" aren't always built in the manner you describe. My kid has been on top 10 U14 team and many of the girls have been together since U7/U8, others since U10/U11. Our roster has generally grown by adding kids as we've moved from 9v9 to 11v11 and now DA. We've lost a couple of kids along the way too, but it's been far fewer than we've added. We've never been told or encouraged to do extra training, although some players have opted to do it, and our coaches generally did a good job of spreading playing time out amongst the team so that everyone had the opportunity to develop. I think the best teams grow together, and you also have the benefit of building long term relationships between kids, families and coaches.
 
@dad4 you must understand that soccer is also a business and if less people cared about being
"Top 10 national teams" aren't always built in the manner you describe. My kid has been on top 10 U14 team and many of the girls have been together since U7/U8, others since U10/U11. Our roster has generally grown by adding kids as we've moved from 9v9 to 11v11 and now DA. We've lost a couple of kids along the way too, but it's been far fewer than we've added. We've never been told or encouraged to do extra training, although some players have opted to do it, and our coaches generally did a good job of spreading playing time out amongst the team so that everyone had the opportunity to develop. I think the best teams grow together, and you also have the benefit of building long term relationships between kids, families and coaches.

Over time yes. But not at this age. That requires time. And I’m with you in this. It’s awesome to see. Applaud teams that can do this
 
Las thing I’ll say is that that one must understand that these organizations are also a business entity and they need to bring in money and pay their bills and cover salaries for high priced coaches. And until more and more people care less about winning and being part of the winning team, then things may shift in the market place. But until then no way. These organizations are a direct reflection of what the majority people value and what they are willing to open their wallets for. I suggest for all the ones that have their DD’s in these big teams that are highly ranked nationally and that practice winning over development to quit that team and find a better fit. You must not give it value for it to be be devalued if you want to see change. But until we as a society stop valuing that type of stuff then it will never change. Our team is home grown nor do we recruit top atheletes and practice win at all costs measures. None of our girls were ever recruited but we have more of that Latin mentality where if you do something towards soccer everyday you will become a more technical player and we build off that foundation and the combination of a good coach that teaches possession soccer. Who knows he may keep this team for the next 4 years and we’ll be that homegrown team that you guys are mentioning that developed over time.
 
Are most tryouts for your DD happening in Dec or Jan?

Are new players already attending trainings / practices ?

Is your current coach staying / leaving since it’s 9v9?
 
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