I can confirm 100% that Blues coaches do not care or even "care for" Futsal. Came direct from the horses mouth.
Specifically they think futsal players might have skills but lack the power to be dominate on the field.
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Specifically they think futsal players might have skills but lack the power to be dominate on the field.
Blues does offer free rides and lots of them . I have a reliable source that I believe to be true. I never will reveal my sources. I stand corrected and I 100% apologize for misspoke. I think it's good to get a full ride for being a great player. As a rare parent, I never had to calculate gas, travel or even my time because that was covered as well. Free travel + free cleats + free uniform + monthly spending allowance. The good ole days
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Thanks, I wonder why the investment in blues Futsal then…. Cash grab?
Not really sure. Probably just to keep Blues players under the same umbrella so they cant meet parents and players from other teams.
I was surprised by the response. I get that Futsal skills dont always translate to field. But as long as players are doing both, Futsal is never a bad thing.
MyKidsDriver
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One more question: what do I have to do to get silver status?
I don’t need gold, but I feel as though I have contributed at least to the level of silver - is there a promotion option that doesn’t involve publicly calling someone a crook, giving my home address to the universe, or torpedoing an otherwise promising team?
No idea about Gold/Silver.
Good luck, theres lots of very nice people that are just trying to navigate their kid through the crazy soccer culture that is Socal.
Keep in mind that no matter what you say or do here someone is going to consider it "torpedoing" a team. The best option is to not say anything at all. The second best option is to try and be as honest as possible.
It wont work but at least you've tried.
Let’s be honest, Blues recruits just as hard if not harder than Slammers/Koge. They loose players because most of those players/parents act like free agents and/or just get tired of the commute and realize there are local options that are just as good or better situations for their player.
thus you typically see Blues with so much success at the Youngers but that success hasn’t translated to the Olders since the Baker Super team.
Doesn't get much more powerful and dominate than this guy who plays tonight vs real Madrid champions league semis btw
I also heard the Blues coach of this age said he is not a fan of futsal
Blues definitely recruits hard and young. They generally are able to keep their team together until 11v11 though, when players get moved around to different positions and the field gets larger. Then all of a sudden, parents can't tolerate the situation at Blues - which has never changed bc they start the extremely tough love coaching at a very young age. I use the word "love" loosely here.
Optimistically, players go back to their community but considering everyone is now at Great Park, you're probably right and it's just a free agent thing.
Blues has futsal because they train their players to play in tight spaces and to play fast. Good futsal players don't always translate to great soccer players but Great Futsal players always translate into good soccer players.
MyKidsDriver
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To your point, I have heard the directional Blues programs (Carlsbad/Pasadena/Burbank)/ experiments were supposed to be recruiting tools to feed the main Blues teams in OC from a broader regional pull, but they have had the opposite effect because those programs have been colossal failures with a revolving door of coaches and an inability to secure fields.
Used to have a coach that would have all the players walk in a group with her back to their parents cars + she would personally escort a couple of players/parents to their cars whenever we played at Great Park. At the time I couldn't figure out why she was doing that, now I know.
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NorCal lurker dad checking in to say I appreciate all the honest people posting up here. Norcal politics aren't *exactly* the same as socal politics, definitely similar enough that it rhymes though. Glad to be able to take some of the lessons learned from you all to help navigate the club soccer system.
My best to all the 2010 GOATS and their parents. I know it can get nasty here from time to time, but I've found the discussion useful, so *hat tip* to you all out there in socal soccer land.
I was walking to my car the other day and some dude handed me a "Jesus salvation leaflet" that basically said the world was ending and I better repent, repeat a prayer or else I'm doomed to hell.
I only got a phone call and email but I do hear recruiting in the parking lots is the way of the land today.
I was also followed to the parking lot by a crazy GM Dad out of Lake Elsinore that wanted to fight me in 2013. 6 4' and was on Crystal Meth I found out later. The stories I can tell. Enjoy the day folks.
This is super entertaining, but sad at the same time. I really want my daughter to have the best competition possible and while we have played several 2010 ecnl teams, we are younger than 2010. I've seen so many distasteful things from coaches and parents, but I guess I expect it. All I hope is we keep these girls playing to be as competitive as possible to keep USA Women's Soccer dominant.
I'm sure it's hard to be a coach, but my daughter and I work best with good characters. I get immediately flagged when I hear a coach call his team "losers". First of all, it's usually not factual as the coaches I have heard that from are winning teams which makes the put down ridiculous. The irony is these coaches never include themselves. If you are going to call your team "losers" just don't forget to include yourself as the coach. WE'RE LOSERS is the more appropriate term imo. You lead these girls, so always include yourself with your comparisons.
My daughter and I have been very fortunate with our coaches who have never broken her spirt. I want no part of these managers and coaches recruiting to disrupt opponent teams as they disrupt their own teams and clubs as well. I find it very sad that so many have to drive hours to and from practice as players move around due to all of this drama and trending winning teams. If you're lucky enough to have a team that feeds your daughter with development, game time, and great competition while they make her want to work hard and show up every practice, DON'T RUIN IT BY FALLING FOR THESE DRAMATIC MANAGERS AND COACHES!
I've seen coaches not even show up for competitive games while their players are getting injured from abuse on their bodies and for what????? One winning year. THESE GIRLS ARE NOT EVEN IN HIGH SCHOOL YET! My real fear is this is unavoidable as our girls get older. I really hope my daughter chooses teams that need and want her to help them level up more so than get caught up in the dramatic switching and horror show of traveling all around for new teams.
I wish there was a way to circumvent this circus and these toxic coaches. I guess the parents that help the coaches and even get favors for it are just as bad, but it starts with the coaches imo. I'm all for winning, but winning by disrupting teams is not helping develop the best players is it? Maybe I'm crazy and the drama toughens the girls up for what's coming as they get older. I wish we had a super competitive volunteer league without these toxic coaches that we pay for. Most of the time the coaches are not even that good. They are just great salesman.
To think we pay for this abuse is beyond me, but to see some parents and managers actually help these coaches and clubs recruit players that end up taking their own daughter's play time is just beyond me!??
For those of us that believe in our daughters though, we do have good competition if we can avoid the toxicity and focus on growth and development rather than wins. Not going to lie, it's really damn hard!
I'm sure it's hard to be a coach, but my daughter and I work best with good characters. I get immediately flagged when I hear a coach call his team "losers". First of all, it's usually not factual as the coaches I have heard that from are winning teams which makes the put down ridiculous. The irony is these coaches never include themselves. If you are going to call your team "losers" just don't forget to include yourself as the coach. WE'RE LOSERS is the more appropriate term imo. You lead these girls, so always include yourself with your comparisons.
My daughter and I have been very fortunate with our coaches who have never broken her spirt. I want no part of these managers and coaches recruiting to disrupt opponent teams as they disrupt their own teams and clubs as well. I find it very sad that so many have to drive hours to and from practice as players move around due to all of this drama and trending winning teams. If you're lucky enough to have a team that feeds your daughter with development, game time, and great competition while they make her want to work hard and show up every practice, DON'T RUIN IT BY FALLING FOR THESE DRAMATIC MANAGERS AND COACHES!
I've seen coaches not even show up for competitive games while their players are getting injured from abuse on their bodies and for what????? One winning year. THESE GIRLS ARE NOT EVEN IN HIGH SCHOOL YET! My real fear is this is unavoidable as our girls get older. I really hope my daughter chooses teams that need and want her to help them level up more so than get caught up in the dramatic switching and horror show of traveling all around for new teams.
I wish there was a way to circumvent this circus and these toxic coaches. I guess the parents that help the coaches and even get favors for it are just as bad, but it starts with the coaches imo. I'm all for winning, but winning by disrupting teams is not helping develop the best players is it? Maybe I'm crazy and the drama toughens the girls up for what's coming as they get older. I wish we had a super competitive volunteer league without these toxic coaches that we pay for. Most of the time the coaches are not even that good. They are just great salesman.
To think we pay for this abuse is beyond me, but to see some parents and managers actually help these coaches and clubs recruit players that end up taking their own daughter's play time is just beyond me!??
For those of us that believe in our daughters though, we do have good competition if we can avoid the toxicity and focus on growth and development rather than wins. Not going to lie, it's really damn hard!
While I agree with most of your sentiment, I applaud the recruitment effort because we will not have competitive teams without it. How will the right players know that a team wants or needs them on their existing team if recruiting does not exist?
I would like it done with more civility and honesty but in a world of uncertainty and so many different possible outcomes during the recruitment process, it may seen uncivil when everyone is just trying to do their best. It's hard because coaches and players don't know who will accept an offer or who will come along out of no where. Everyone will have to figure things out and change their game plans as players and teams change.
Recruiting is tough for all involved, including coaches. Coaches are just doing their jobs and if coaches/parents/players didn't recruit better players for your high level teams, we wouldn't have high level teams. Your unicorn forward would never get the ball without a unicorn mid or unicorn defender.
It's life, our kids and us all have to learn how to deal with it gracefully.
The worse thing in youth soccer is Toxic parents that try to destroy it for all the remaining kids. I know your kid wasn't happy but did you consider that you're intentionally poisoning it for 16 other kids too?
I'm not talking about parents that share their experiences or share negative/positive criticism. We want to hear why a kid or family chose to leave.
I'm talking about the ones that throw fits and anger bouts throughout the season. The ones that try to get other people to dislike other kids and parents. The ones that are always complaining at the possibility of the slightest injustice. The one that holds grudges for years and won't keep the peace for the sake of the team and their own kid. The ones that always complain about playtime for one game or half a game, even when their kid has LOTS of play time over the course of the season.
Lots of changes happen during their middle school years, but generally by the end of 9th grade, the shuffling is minimal. 2-4 player changes per year due to moving or distractions. Kids who didn't get along will learn to tolerate each other in order to improve their chances of winning and look better with colleges. (like we would all do in our workplace) When your kid is a 10th grader in high school, that big roster is a blessing because your kid will need to miss a few games for school projects & activities, college ID camps, emotional days for break ups, a good intern or volunteering opportunity, etc.
First of all, I would argue that a coaches job is to coach not recruit. Good coaches should be sought after for their coaching skills. Most of the so called good coaches play direct soccer with gifted athletes and some very skilled technical players. That's fine and maybe even good for the other kids that have not matured as fast as some of the gifted athletes. I won't argue about the parents as many parents deserve the coaches they have. In all honesty, I notice more improvement in player skills with other coaches than the toxic ones many talk about here. I just have not been impressed with the styles or knowledge of many coaches known for stealing players.
I've seen and heard bad coaching ideas from so called great coaches and I've heard screaming buffoonery from a few coaches of very good teams. I mean the most basic, pathetic field instructions. That team appears to be losing a lot of players too. The proof of coaching is in the pudding. Is your kid improving and building useable skills to own and dominate a position? You can do this on any ecnl team and you will get fed the ball more often on a team that revolves more around giving the ball to the more dominant attackers and/or ball carriers. You absolutely don't have to be on the best or top teams to gain dominant position skills. You may be a little more known due to being on a dominant team, but at 12 or 13 years old, it's not critical yet and lots of changes still coming.
Recruiting and disrupting teams merely forces several players to move and/or travel more. We have the best players in the country here imo. I see great teams all over Southern Ca. and to think so many travel hours to practice and maybe even lose against a team that is far closer to your home is ridiculous not to mention many of the players end up coming back or leaving again. I just wish the coaches were more disciplined in how they treat and respect their players and coached and developed better to the point where players would stay closer to home.
I play the game, but no way in hell am I driving hours away for 12 year old girl soccer. I guess I'm just happy to have the competition. I don't need my kid on the top team yet especially if the coach is using parents and managers to recruit a 20 plus roster where my kid does not play near a whole game. Parents pick their poison I guess.
You are correct that some coaches are not good but playing direct soccer is not a sign of a bad coach. If the midfield is always losing the ball, you have to play direct because you have to recognize where your strengths and weaknesses are during a game. Why punish the forward because the midfield is doing poorly that game? If this happens often in a season, you'll have to recruit new mids in order for your existing team to play "good soccer" together.
I've seen great coaches scream pathetic, basic instructions because for whatever reason, their team is sleepy that day and they need the reminders. When their players are awake, that same coach will be quiet and complimentary. Even Pep has to behave this way once in a while because great coaches do what it takes to help their teams play better.
My kids have been on teams where most of their teammates are always recruited but it's not disruptive. We all take it as a compliment and a sign our kids are playing well.
What happens when your kid's neighborhood team is really good and they only have room for 2 goalies but you have 3 good goalies in your area? Should 1 quit as a goalie altogether or should they all stay on the same neighborhood team. Nothing wrong with all 3 looking for spots where they can be starters. What happens when you have 10 great defenders and no forwards or vice versa? I agree that you should stay as close as possible but sometimes that option isn't available.