Hüsker Dü
DA
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QUOTE="espola, post: 280426, member: 3"
Last recycling trip was Jan 2.
This trip was to clean out the CRV barrels in the
back of my pickup in preparation for its repair and/or sale.
It turns out that with the back seats down in my new little
car everything fit (2 30-gallon trash cans and a few trash bags)
I could have got a lot more in if I had been better organized.
Most of it is ours, but I pick up CRV aluminum that is right
in my path
(I respect the priority ( property ) rights of the urban aluminum
miners and leave the trash cans alone) and pick CRV containers
our of the condo common bins if I see then
(but I don't go looking for them).
Except those of the Golf Course you pillaged/plundered....
/QUOTE
Last recycling trip was Jan 2.
This trip was to clean out the CRV barrels in the
back of my pickup in preparation for its repair and/or sale.
It turns out that with the back seats down in my new little
car everything fit (2 30-gallon trash cans and a few trash bags)
I could have got a lot more in if I had been better organized.
Most of it is ours, but I pick up CRV aluminum that is right
in my path
(I respect the priority ( property ) rights of the urban aluminum
miners and leave the trash cans alone) and pick CRV containers
our of the condo common bins if I see then
(but I don't go looking for them).
Except those of the Golf Course you pillaged/plundered....
/QUOTE
This answers some of the questions I had about the dive boat disaster -- only one way out of the bunk room and it leads to the galley.
I count 13 double bunks, 19 singles (not counting the one reserved for crew), mostly in stacks 2 or 3 high. I assume there is berthing for most of the crew on the upper decks or engine room closer to their work areas.
I count 13 double bunks, 19 singles (not counting the one reserved for crew), mostly in stacks 2 or 3 high. I assume there is berthing for most of the crew on the upper decks or engine room closer to their work areas.
Hüsker Dü
DA
What happened to the captain going down with the ship if he had to?This answers some of the questions I had about the dive boat disaster -- only one way out of the bunk room and it leads to the galley.
I count 13 double bunks, 19 singles (not counting the one reserved for crew), mostly in stacks 2 or 3 high. I assume there is berthing for most of the crew on the upper decks or engine room closer to their work areas.
A better question is :
Why didn't he/they activate the " Modern Fire Suppression System "
that was on the boat....or ....why didn't it work.
Everything points to a massive explosion/inferno ....this just doesn't
pass the smell test at all.
The boat had passed all the current regulations, just as it's sister ship had
that is still sitting in the dock.
Gathering bits of info from various news reports --
-The boat had a fire suppression system, as required by Coast Guard regulation, but it only covered the engine room aft of the bunkroom.
-The galley had a propane stove and oven. It's not clear what kind of space heaters the boat had.
-There was only one exit from the bunkroom - up the stairs into the galley and main salon.
Fact --
-Propane is denser than air.
Conjecture - a propane leak in the galley filled the bunk room with propane vapor, which was ignited by a random spark. At that point, everyone is doomed - those not already asphyxiated by the propane would be burned in their bunks before they could get out.
-The boat had a fire suppression system, as required by Coast Guard regulation, but it only covered the engine room aft of the bunkroom.
-The galley had a propane stove and oven. It's not clear what kind of space heaters the boat had.
-There was only one exit from the bunkroom - up the stairs into the galley and main salon.
Fact --
-Propane is denser than air.
Conjecture - a propane leak in the galley filled the bunk room with propane vapor, which was ignited by a random spark. At that point, everyone is doomed - those not already asphyxiated by the propane would be burned in their bunks before they could get out.
QUOTE="espola, post: 285916, member: 3"
Gathering bits of info from various news reports --
-The boat had a fire suppression system, as required by
Coast Guard regulation, but it only covered the engine room aft of the bunkroom.
-The galley had a propane stove and oven.
It's not clear what kind of space heaters the boat had.
-There was only one exit from the bunkroom * - up the stairs into the galley and main salon.
Fact --
-Propane is denser than air.
Conjecture - a propane leak in the galley filled the bunk room
with propane vapor, which was ignited by a random spark.
At that point, everyone is doomed - those not already asphyxiated
by the propane would be burned in their bunks before they could get out.
/QUOTE
Quote from KTLA 5 News :
It appears the victims were trapped after the fire
erupted, as the stairwell and escape hatch may
have been blocked by the flames, according to the sheriff.
Right in the vicinity of where that man is standing without a shirt on the lower deck
is " supposed to be " an escape hatch.
Gathering bits of info from various news reports --
-The boat had a fire suppression system, as required by
Coast Guard regulation, but it only covered the engine room aft of the bunkroom.
-The galley had a propane stove and oven.
It's not clear what kind of space heaters the boat had.
-There was only one exit from the bunkroom * - up the stairs into the galley and main salon.
Fact --
-Propane is denser than air.
Conjecture - a propane leak in the galley filled the bunk room
with propane vapor, which was ignited by a random spark.
At that point, everyone is doomed - those not already asphyxiated
by the propane would be burned in their bunks before they could get out.
/QUOTE
Quote from KTLA 5 News :
It appears the victims were trapped after the fire
erupted, as the stairwell and escape hatch may
have been blocked by the flames, according to the sheriff.
Right in the vicinity of where that man is standing without a shirt on the lower deck
is " supposed to be " an escape hatch.
Found this on EdHat :
" Here's a very important fact reported by the News-Press: 2 years ago Conception
was re-powered (new engines) through a grant from the Santa Barbara County Air
Pollution Control District (APCD) Innovative Technology Group Program.
In years past, several boats have caught fire and lost engine power due to faulty
engines purchased through state and local re-power programs.
->Warnings were issued that marine re-power programs are a threat to human life. <-
If this disaster was caused by an engine fire, then the county government may be liable. "
" Here's a very important fact reported by the News-Press: 2 years ago Conception
was re-powered (new engines) through a grant from the Santa Barbara County Air
Pollution Control District (APCD) Innovative Technology Group Program.
In years past, several boats have caught fire and lost engine power due to faulty
engines purchased through state and local re-power programs.
->Warnings were issued that marine re-power programs are a threat to human life. <-
If this disaster was caused by an engine fire, then the county government may be liable. "
More :
SFGate (San Francisco Chronicle) has several indepth articles and
some fairly knowledgable follow up comments, including the
following from a prior guest on this ship: ......
" I was recently on this boat - earlier this summer.
A comprehensive safety briefing was conducted by the captain and
all passengers aboard were required to be present.
The captain shared the procedure for deploying life boats, basic
emergency radio operation, the location of life jackets, and the location
of two bunk room exits – a stairay towards the bow and
-> an escape hatch near the stern of the boat. <-
The briefing also discussed the alarms on board, underwater alarms,
and location of fire extinguishers.
->It was done within the galley at the site of the emergency escape hatch,
a roughly two-feet by two-feet square plank of wood with no lock or
latch on it that leads to the bunks below...." <-
SFGate (San Francisco Chronicle) has several indepth articles and
some fairly knowledgable follow up comments, including the
following from a prior guest on this ship: ......
" I was recently on this boat - earlier this summer.
A comprehensive safety briefing was conducted by the captain and
all passengers aboard were required to be present.
The captain shared the procedure for deploying life boats, basic
emergency radio operation, the location of life jackets, and the location
of two bunk room exits – a stairay towards the bow and
-> an escape hatch near the stern of the boat. <-
The briefing also discussed the alarms on board, underwater alarms,
and location of fire extinguishers.
->It was done within the galley at the site of the emergency escape hatch,
a roughly two-feet by two-feet square plank of wood with no lock or
latch on it that leads to the bunks below...." <-
https://www.keyt.com/news/santa-bar...-following-conception-boat-tragedy/1116726668
The boat owner interviewed apparently does not know that dive charters to the Channel Islands have been running since at least 1972, when I went out on one. The news crew adds their own errors, but the view of the spiral staircase down to the bunkroom is informative.
The boat owner interviewed apparently does not know that dive charters to the Channel Islands have been running since at least 1972, when I went out on one. The news crew adds their own errors, but the view of the spiral staircase down to the bunkroom is informative.
For someone who touts himself as the " Smart one " , you sure
miss a whole helluva lot !
Differing news reports -
Some say no alternate escape route, some say there is, but it leads into the same space as the main stairway (which kind of defeats the purpose), some say there is but they weren't briefed on how to use it.
Speculation today is that the source of the fire might be lithium batteries clustered together on a charging station. One battery overheated and lit off, which then caused a chain reaction among the others. However, that doesn't explain the stem-to-stern fire, especially since CG regulations pretty much ban the use of flammable materials in the construction of commercial passenger-carrying boats.
Good news conference here --
There should be a preliminary report out in 10 days or so.
Some say no alternate escape route, some say there is, but it leads into the same space as the main stairway (which kind of defeats the purpose), some say there is but they weren't briefed on how to use it.
Speculation today is that the source of the fire might be lithium batteries clustered together on a charging station. One battery overheated and lit off, which then caused a chain reaction among the others. However, that doesn't explain the stem-to-stern fire, especially since CG regulations pretty much ban the use of flammable materials in the construction of commercial passenger-carrying boats.
Good news conference here --
There should be a preliminary report out in 10 days or so.
I wasn't involved in the court case cited here, but I knew (in the sense of communicated with them online) most of the named participants and got more involved in the aftermath turmoil in the newsgroup --
https://www.wired.com/1999/11/usenet-ban-a-slippery-slope/
https://www.wired.com/1999/11/usenet-ban-a-slippery-slope/
Balloon chain, launched one at a time, each balloon bearing a light, launch beginning around sunset --
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10215277422556920&set=pcb.671904953314693&type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10215277422556920&set=pcb.671904953314693&type=3&theater