100% agree. TY
ECNL vs. DA turf war has created a 'toxic environment'
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And they probably have parents that are even more crazy than soccer parents.
MakeAPlay
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What school other than North Carolina has more current pro players than UCLA? All I know is what I pay and I spend more on my cable bill (and I don’t have HBO) than I have spent on my daughter’s college. In 9 years of club soccer I spent a little over $30k. For her entire college education I have spent about what you spend in one season of club (maybe less).
If all that you are looking for is money then unfortunately the top schools have spent it on their purple unicorns. You know that type of player that comes in as a freshman and impacts the game from day one. It doesn’t matter when you watch them play because you know that they are going to win their 1v1 battles.
No need to stress there is an Alexandria out there for your player. And who knows they already lost 2 players from their 2020 class (although with 13 players they likely weren’t getting much money if any). Recruiting is an inexact science but some players are can’t miss while others aren’t quite as polished initially.
Good luck to you and your player.
As a NCAA Division I school - Women's Soccer has 14 scholarships to give out and average roster of 28 players. When you ask about how many get a "full ride" or 100% free everything, the soccer program can give 14 a full ride, or 28 a half-ride or some a full-ride, other's a half-ride and other's 1/3 ride. Many D1 programs have athletes receiving no scholarship money because the parents/athlete is very wealthy. Some programs also have dual sport scholarship athletes, receiving a 1/2 ride from soccer and a 1/2 ride from another sport. Then you look at the academic scholarships and grants, which are merit based and can supplement.
On the boys side the numbers are worse (but this is about girls).
As you move down the line, DII (9.9), DIII (no athletic scholarships) and NAIA (12) the availability of non-athletic scholarships skews the numbers.
I personally don't know how many at UCLA get a full ride, but its less than half.
MakeAPlay
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UCLA has 35 players on the roster so that changes the math even further. Again I only know about my kid's deal and those who have shared with her or myself. Instate for UCLA is about $28k a year for tuition, fees, books, room and board. Add $40k a year for out of state or foreign students. Regardless of what deal someone gets at a PAC 12 or BIG TEN school it is guaranteed for 4 years. My kid's coaches play whomever will help the team win and that has earned the right to be on the field regardless of what a recruit's "rankings" are. To me it is the purest form of competition and I know that it is the same at Stanford. Get the best 11 on the field plus any other players that are going to help the team win. If that is 13 so be it. If that is 20 so be it.
Good luck to you and your player.
Your still not answering my Q. Do you know how many players at UCLA get a full ride? You see MAP, I'm not very smart and I was always under the impression that everyone was getting a "full ride" in Girls Soccer, at least the Unicorns. I'm being very serious. I'm glad that your Unicorn got it all paid for and must importantly, stayed a Unicorn and Purple for that matter
For the record, my dd hasn't had to pay a dime for anything, travel, team fees since she left Blues as an a 11 year old. Yup, there selling FREE FREE FREE soccer for the Unicorns starting when thier 12 years old in SOCal. Trust me, she's not the only one either. Problem is, it's not really *FEEE. If your paying to be in the DA, I have a sports franchise opportunity I would love to sell you. So let me say again, I have spend ZERO as I'm sure all the Unicorns now could say. If rich folks are paying $250,000 just to get admitted, then this education stuff is a lot more valuable to Americans than I thought. I think GIRLS SOCCER in America is CURRUPT!!!!!And for DA record, this year, I'm paying just like all the others on the team. Coach called, told me the fees, told me what he will do for my dd and I stroked a check like all the other parents. I don't want my kid to be a Unicorn. No special favors. No FREE anymore. Just play
MakeAPlay
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Your still not answering my Q. Do you know how many players at UCLA get a full ride? You see MAP, I'm not very smart and I was always under the impression that everyone was getting a "full ride" in Girls Soccer, at least the Unicorns. I'm being very serious. I'm glad that your Unicorn got it all paid for and must importantly, stayed a Unicorn and Purple for that matter
Then you are in for a big shock and the pros might be a better destination for your player. She is too late to get what you are looking for from any good team. Now there are plenty of schools out there that might give you what you are looking for but unfortunately the best schools don't take risks with big money and only throw it after can't miss players.
I did answer your question by the way regarding full rides. I know what I paid. And regardless whether your 11 year old has been getting a soccer scholarship for club or not, I'm pretty sure that you at least paid for the plane ticket or something else and like I said to you I have paid less for my kid's college education than you have spent on club soccer in one manner or another and that is a fact. Now of course that doesn't include the $30k that I spent on club soccer to get her there because my kid didn't get a free ride in club. As a matter of fact, on my kid's old club team I helped pay the travel costs for another player on the team who's family wasn't able to afford it.
The corruption in Women's soccer comes from two places. US Soccer who doesn't care as long as they get what they want. And parents looking for the next best thing instead of realizing that they only way to get what your player is looking for is for her to put her head down and work for it.
Good luck to you and your player.
MakeAPlay
DA
And for DA record, this year, I'm paying just like all the others on the team. Coach called, told me the fees, told me what he will do for my dd and I stroked a check like all the other parents. I don't want my kid to be a Unicorn. No special favors. No FREE anymore. Just play
I paid over $30k for club. Pretty good deal considering I have spent a little more than a 10th of that for a top 20 global university degree for my kid who graduated Magna Cum Laude. It's not what you spend it's what you get.
Good luck to you and your player.
@Ellejustus - @MAP did answer your question:
To my knowledge scholarship details are not publicly shared. Its not girls soccer that is corrupt is youth soccer in general. Too many guys with English accents selling a dream.
It's rich person's sport my friend and the reward is a great education for your dd. For others with a lot of money, they can own a big time club. It's a business that is tied to higher education and its corrupt to the core. My dd has no interest in the Unicron schools and 100% agree she lost her chance because she was never interested in those schools (except UCLA when pressed to give up her list of 5 in 7th grade and she muttered, UCLA because of me). Academic excellence is key here. My kid is improving a lot but is not at that level and probably never will be. Tuition is easy part. Living on campus and all that costs some bucks. SDSU is $18,000 to live on campus. I'm glad you could help others out btw. I see that as one of the only reasons someone should not pay unless the DA is fully funded
MakeAPlay
DA
Correct. I know how much I pay and a few others. My player did not get a full ride. However, I don't pay very much. I haven't even spent a half a year's tuition at Cathedral Catholic, Santa Margarita, Junipero Serra, Mater Dei, etc. in her entire 3 years so far. Anyway you slice it I am happy with my kid's deal as is she.
As you know already it's not what you spend it's what you get. I'm sure if @Ellejustus was offered the Mona Lisa for a million bucks he would find a way to come up with that million bucks.
Good luck to you he and both of your players.
MakeAPlay
DA
It's rich person's sport my friend and the reward is a great education for your dd. For others with a lot of money, they can own a big time club. It's a business that is tied to higher education and its corrupt to the core. My dd has no interest in the Unicron schools and 100% agree she lost her chance because she was never interested in those schools (except UCLA when pressed to give up her list of 5 in 7th grade and she muttered, UCLA because of me). Academic excellence is key here. My kid is improving a lot but is not at that level and probably never will be. Tuition is easy part. Living on campus and all that costs some bucks. SDSU is $18,000 to live on campus. I'm glad you could help others out btw. I see that as one of the only reasons someone should not pay unless the DA is fully funded
I have two brothers that are SDSU alums. One on a football scholarship and one through my dad's GI bill. It's like $26k a year out the door and is well worth it. That isn't much more than tuition to Junipero Serra and about half the cost of St. Margaret, Bishops or La Jolla Country Day and includes room and board!
Personally academic excellence was the best thing that I spent energy and time on regarding my kid. It was more important than private skills training or anything else. Without the grades none of what she has accomplished would have been possible.
Good luck to you and your player.
I know now what I didn't know 2 years ago. That makes me smarter, right? Anyone who has read my posts or knows me personally know that I honesty did not know how much this is ALL about college. Coaches should sell "Scholarship" if your still playing as a soph, have the grades and the desire for higher education. It should not pushed down the throat of 7th and 8th graders. I think it's embarrassing that the head COACH at UCLA came to our Surf practice to "pop" in. She actually said to my dd group, "The 06's did that drill better than you." No joke!!! I thought "scholarship" means FREE RIDE. I don't think I'm the only one. Once you start asking questions you soon realize it's "scholarship money toward the bill." UCLA has 37 on the roster according to MAP. Before the rule change, my dd would tell me every week that so and so just committed to UCLA, CAL, Duke, U of A, ASU, WSU and so on from Instagram. The PERCEPTION is that she got a free ride playing soccer. Look, I have friends & family expecting to get that same instgram notification from my kid in a year or so. I'm starting to feel the pressure.....yikes. It was free when she was 12 and 13 but now it looks like I have to pay for her to go to school if she still wants to play soccer past HS? MAP did think she might be suited better for the PROS. Let me see, no YNT call up, no money to be made in DA Pros, ya I'm not seeing that either for her. Just quit honey because we have nothing really for you unless you want to go to college and play far far away from SoCal so its almost free and you can try and beat the Unicrons. Sounds like a challenge. If she doesn't go to college than what the hell have we been doing all these years driving around SoCal looking to play soccer games?
MakeAPlay
DA
Building good character? Spending time with her dad? If my kid never got a penny for soccer that would have made the $30k worth it. Let me ask you this. Is it you asking what they hell have you been doing or is it your daughter? If it is you, then you have to just chill and let the process work itself out. If it is your daughter you have to just have her put her head down and grind, whether that is on the pitch or in study hall.
There are many roads to Rome but NONE OF THEM ARE EASY.
Continued good luck to you and your player.
soccer661
SILVER ELITE
Very similar situation to MAP...we paid ALOT for club soccer... (sometimes I call it "paying for the scholarship early") but wouldn't change it for anything...a crazy club soccer journey filled with amazing memories-- lots of ups and downs, life lessons -- & the "downs" just made my DD stronger--a better teammate and person, also focused very hard on academics- most important focus for having the education/career after the soccer is over.
And now my DD is extremely happy at her University, getting an amazing education while still playing the sport she loves with teammates she'd run thru a brickwall for...and getting scholarship $$ now towards tutition...so for us the cost of club (mostly ECNL & then DA the last year) completely paid off. Relax a bit and try to ENJOY THE JOURNEY!! Yes, it can be stressful but it's over before you know it...Good luck to your DD's!!
And now my DD is extremely happy at her University, getting an amazing education while still playing the sport she loves with teammates she'd run thru a brickwall for...and getting scholarship $$ now towards tutition...so for us the cost of club (mostly ECNL & then DA the last year) completely paid off. Relax a bit and try to ENJOY THE JOURNEY!! Yes, it can be stressful but it's over before you know it...Good luck to your DD's!!
MakeAPlay
DA
And your kid has my vote for president in 16 1/2 years! She better drain that swamp!
It's both of us asking MAP. She's my little unicorn bro. My little me. One of my best, best friends. We drove around SoCal looking to play competitive soccer. I already gave advice before if you have a 10 year that is fast, stay home and play local. Were both competitive and she never complained until now, because, because ,because.
Did your college recruiting process start in 7th grade?
I agree with most of the rule changes with one exception that i think is
Wow i don't know why you seem so angry, people on here just trying to help and give advice on what their experiences were.
That being said, if you don't think Coach K and his staff, in fact all top college staffs don't pop in unexpectedly to AAU games and practice or high school games and practice you have no clue, because they do. The bigger name coaches can't do it incognito but many of their staff, can and do.
From my personal experience in girls club soccer, coaches including power 5 schools both local and out of state have shown up to practice and games unannounced looking at 8th and 9th graders. This will not change with the new rules as the college coaches can still communicate to club coaches to express any interest and talk about players.
IMO the new rules are no good. The rule where the kids can call the coaches and coaches can't call back should be fine from 9th grade and up, not before. Unofficial visits should be allowed during that same time frame. This gives players a chance to visit colleges on their own nickel , communicate with the coaches (to see if its a good fit for both parties) without trying to cram everything into a very shortened time frame during their junior year. What should have been changed is no verbal offers and verbal acceptance of those offers should not be allowed until their junior year.
Their work around for visits and communication will be to get kids into their camps through the club coaches, instead of unofficial visits
As far as Coach K having cash available, Head count sports are very different than equivalency sports. Soccer is a Equivalency Sport, 14 scholarships for 22 -35 players
They were watching 8th graders and made verbal offers last year to 8th graders. Do you think AC or any other coach will need to "pop" in now to see the new incoming 8th graders practice or does a sneak attack during warm ups before the big DA Game is more suited to see the true Sally? Maybe the coach will be hiding among the parents to see how hard little elite, elite Sally is holding up in the big DA game that's already 6-1 at the half? Sally has 6 goals already. Coach wants to see what Sally will do in the second half? Is she going for the third hat trick? Final: Sally's Team 9, far away DA team 1. Sally scored 9 goals for a triple hat trick. College coach is impressed but can't talk to the 14 year old anymore.....yikes!!!
Wow i don't know why you seem so angry, people on here just trying to help and give advice on what their experiences were.
That being said, if you don't think Coach K and his staff, in fact all top college staffs don't pop in unexpectedly to AAU games and practice or high school games and practice you have no clue, because they do. The bigger name coaches can't do it incognito but many of their staff, can and do.
From my personal experience in girls club soccer, coaches including power 5 schools both local and out of state have shown up to practice and games unannounced looking at 8th and 9th graders. This will not change with the new rules as the college coaches can still communicate to club coaches to express any interest and talk about players.
IMO the new rules are no good. The rule where the kids can call the coaches and coaches can't call back should be fine from 9th grade and up, not before. Unofficial visits should be allowed during that same time frame. This gives players a chance to visit colleges on their own nickel , communicate with the coaches (to see if its a good fit for both parties) without trying to cram everything into a very shortened time frame during their junior year. What should have been changed is no verbal offers and verbal acceptance of those offers should not be allowed until their junior year.
Their work around for visits and communication will be to get kids into their camps through the club coaches, instead of unofficial visits
As far as Coach K having cash available, Head count sports are very different than equivalency sports. Soccer is a Equivalency Sport, 14 scholarships for 22 -35 players
- Head count sports are always full rides. But they only include revenue sports: for men, that’s DI basketball and DI-A football; for women, it’s DI basketball, tennis, volleyball and gymnastics.
- Equivalency sports usually hand out partial scholarships