Now that colleges have to pay top talent it will be much more likely that they'll also start paying for tournaments to get exclusive access to new recruits.
Brave new world!
ECNL Playoffs
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Brave new world!
Desert Hound
DA
Well playoffs next year are in......Seattle. Wonder if it will rain? hehe
I think the costs associated with travelling to a national championship for any league are about the same. So it's not really an ECNL thing so much as it is a national league thing. Every national league excludes people who can't afford to travel for it. ECNL is especially bad though because they separate the national playoffs from the championship, requiring 2X trips to win the prize. I think that's really the rub here, that seems totally unnecessary.
I like the idea of a more regionalized showcase model. When the national events are on one coast or the other, they lose value to the majority of kids who are looking at mid-majors and below, who are recruiting regionally for the most part. That makes it tough on the west coast player who wants to go to school on the east coast of course and vise versa. I suspect that if you had statistics on where ECNL kids are recruited from, it stands to reason that the majority would already be scouted primarily at regional events just because there are more of them and they occur earlier in the year. ECNL still calls them national events to further confuse matters.
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I think the costs associated with travelling to a national championship for any league are about the same. So it's not really an ECNL thing so much as it is a national league thing. Every national league excludes people who can't afford to travel for it. ECNL is especially bad though because they separate the national playoffs from the championship, requiring 2X trips to win the prize. I think that's really the rub here, that seems totally unnecessary.
I like the idea of a more regionalized showcase model. When the national events are on one coast or the other, they lose value to the majority of kids who are looking at mid-majors and below, who are recruiting regionally for the most part. That makes it tough on the west coast player who wants to go to school on the east coast of course and vise versa. I suspect that if you had statistics on where ECNL kids are recruited from, it stands to reason that the majority would already be scouted primarily at regional events just because there are more of them and they occur earlier in the year. ECNL still calls them national events to further confuse matters.
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Most of the "so called" national championships (there are so many that none really exist now) are modeled this way and I think it's modeled incorrectly. It needs to be changed and it's not too difficult. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe CalSouth actually used fees to pay for or substantially subsidize ODP players to travel.
Create local championships, then move them to 16 regional championships, then have the 16 regional winners play in the championship tournament. A portion of all player fees should go into this. With the quantity of players registered, we should afford to pay for the 8 regional winners to travel. Or increase fees by $10. Increase local entrance fees by $50 a team and use that money for regionals and championship tournaments.
It doesn't matter what league you play in (ECNL, DISCOVERY, CSL), the true National Champs should play thru this method and everyone team from every league should have access to enter this competition without any seeding. All drawings are done via lottery and it's luck of the draw who you have to compete with in group play.
We don't need a mayor's cup or a governor's cup or president's cup. Just a national one. Tournaments can distinguish flights and let the lower flights earn medals that way.
I think the costs associated with travelling to a national championship for any league are about the same. So it's not really an ECNL thing so much as it is a national league thing. Every national league excludes people who can't afford to travel for it. ECNL is especially bad though because they separate the national playoffs from the championship, requiring 2X trips to win the prize. I think that's really the rub here, that seems totally unnecessary.
I like the idea of a more regionalized showcase model. When the national events are on one coast or the other, they lose value to the majority of kids who are looking at mid-majors and below, who are recruiting regionally for the most part. That makes it tough on the west coast player who wants to go to school on the east coast of course and vise versa. I suspect that if you had statistics on where ECNL kids are recruited from, it stands to reason that the majority would already be scouted primarily at regional events just because there are more of them and they occur earlier in the year. ECNL still calls them national events to further confuse matters.
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Most of the "so called" national championships (there are so many that none really exist now) are modeled this way and I think it's modeled incorrectly. It needs to be changed and it's not too difficult. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe CalSouth actually used fees to pay for or substantially subsidize ODP players to travel.
Create local championships, then move them to 16 regional championships, then have the 16 regional winners play in the championship tournament. A portion of all player fees should go into this. With the quantity of players registered, we should afford to pay for the 8 regional winners to travel. Or increase fees by $10. Increase local entrance fees by $50 a team and use that money for regionals and championship tournaments.
It doesn't matter what league you play in (ECNL, DISCOVERY, CSL), the true National Champs should play thru this method and everyone team from every league should have access to enter this competition without any seeding. All drawings are done via lottery and it's luck of the draw who you have to compete with in group play.
We don't need a mayor's cup or a governor's cup or president's cup. Just a national one. Tournaments can distinguish flights and let the lower flights earn medals that way.
zags77
SILVER ELITE
If they had a fall event, would college coaches come? They will be busy with their own college season won't they?
I hear this argument a lot about college soccer coaches not being able to scout during their season.
How do Power 5 Basketball and Football coaches manage it?
Money and resources available
youthsportsugghhh
SILVER ELITE
If you look at FSU -- Women's soccer has 4 total coaches, Men's basketball has 8 coaches and Men's football has 4 coaches dedicated to recruiting that will be on the road during the HS season to watch players. For hoops AAU - highest level is heavy playing not during major portion of school year -- (May-August). Hoops also have big time tournaments for HS teams while during the year condenses the days to 3 or 4 including the weekend where coaches show up.
zags77
SILVER ELITE
I have heard nothing but fantastic reviews about all the ECNL showcases. If your theory was correct, why have any showcases in the fall? There are 2 slated this fall for in San Diego and Phoenix...What is the objective of the ECNL showcases?
Heavy playing during May-August should be the priority for youth sports to allow for academics focus and high school sports too.
It's not a theory, its a question. hence the use of curly punctuation. If memory serves, ECNL typically avoids the fall college season for showcases, at least until late November for presumably this reason. This year they have two earlier ones. both in the west, presumably because of the pent up demand for them caused by COVID. Not sure why they didn't schedule an earlier east coast one to match. In any event, I will be curious to see what the turnout is at these early events. BY the way, where did you capture that chart from?
futboldad1
PREMIER
ECNL's twitter.....
100 percent correct. It would be pointless to have a showcase during the fall before mid November. Majority of schools season is over by the mid Nov. showcase so plenty can attend.
ECNL posted that graphic on their social media earlier in the day so I'm guessing from there. The San Diego one is for the younger age groups and not college recruiting age. The graphic doesn't make that clear unfortunately.
Crazy Az
BRONZE
Sure just come over here to Az in july, or texas. I'm sure the kids will have a great time.
Lightning Red
GOLD
MVLA 3-1 over Solar
LAFC 3-1 over United
Rematch! Love that two CA teams are in the final.
LAFC 3-1 over United
Rematch! Love that two CA teams are in the final.
futboldad1
PREMIER
Agreed! MVLA U17 will take it all has been my thoughts all along and just one game to go…… best of luck to both talented teams
That MVLA team has been special for many years.
futboldad1
PREMIER
Yes it really has……
ecsoccermom
BRONZE
Any updates for the 06?