ECNL Expansion In Socal SW Division

Larzby said:
Pateadores didn't do great at most age groups in RL, and now they have to play up another level, and to improve they have to compete for players with all the strong neighboring OC teams. Very tough.
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I agree that, on the surface, Pats should not be very competitive in ECNL at most age groups initially. But what if they can recruit some coaches (and their current players) to come over. If so, they could at least become competitive very quickly. For instance, could they convince one of the Blues coaches to come over? And I will throw this out there too, what if Dodge can convince Baker to come back to coaching? Baker taking over some of the younger ECNL teams at Pats would help them build a competitive ECNL club very quickly.
 
Nextbigthing said:
Pats in the Southwest division had only 2 teams in the top 4 of their age groups so far this year. I wouldn't call that excelling in regional league considering they are playing against the 2nd team from Blues, Surf, Legends etc.... Be careful what you wish for. Its going to be a rough year for Pats in ECNL next year.
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At least Sharks have a legitimate chance at one league win now.
 
Nextbigthing said:
Pats in the Southwest division had only 2 teams in the top 4 of their age groups so far this year. I wouldn't call that excelling in regional league considering they are playing against the 2nd team from Blues, Surf, Legends etc.... Be careful what you wish for. Its going to be a rough year for Pats in ECNL next year.
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Most of the PATS ECRL teams had players play up a year. The 06 team had mostly 07 players. 05 had a bunch of 06s. Still plenty room for improvement.
 
Sike said:
I agree that, on the surface, Pats should not be very competitive in ECNL at most age groups initially. But what if they can recruit some coaches (and their current players) to come over. If so, they could at least become competitive very quickly. For instance, could they convince one of the Blues coaches to come over? And I will throw this out there too, what if Dodge can convince Baker to come back to coaching? Baker taking over some of the younger ECNL teams at Pats would help them build a competitive ECNL club very quickly.
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That would be a huge pick up for PATS. Long shot but Baker and Dodge buddies.
 
South OC now has the following ECNL teams: Strikers, Pats, Blues, Slammers (2), How much is too much? This is going to dilute the RL teams significantly in that region.
 
ToonArmy said:
Definitely will be tough to compete but they will also definitely improve from this years teams. With ECNL rosters carrying upwards of 23 players i imagine many players on the local ECNL rosters that don't get much playing time will be trying out for Pats. Doesnt necessarily make them competitive in ECNL but will be improvement. Also I imagine the better players on west coast younger GA teams will also go over. Those two clubs have been passing players back and forth since Pats was given DA and offered fully funded. Most of the top players from both clubs already left for ECNL clubs once DA collapsed. Then west coast had the upper hand on the middle tier players at the clubs because GA was more attractive to them than ECNL regional league. Now Pats is more attractive. Again doesn't make them competitive in ECNL but probably better than they were this year. Really hurts West Coast youngers. too many better options in same backyard. One way to stick a fork in west coast is if Liverpool who has DPL got in to GA which im sure West Coast is begging GA not to let happen.
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I agree with you 100% there will definitely be a lot of movement amongst the current OC teams, and now even more will be commuting to the OC since there is another ECNL team in OC. Only time will tell what the teams will look like next year.... one thing that will most likely stay the same are the large rosters sizes, which everyone playing ECNL needs to just accept. Best of luck to everyone!
 
Baker had success with the Blues and Slammers brands behind him. He would not have the same success at Pats. Does anyone here believe that he could have recruited Trinitiy Rodman or Reilyn Turner to Pats? He has only won ECNL championships with those two on his roster (not one, but both at the same time).
 
GT45 said:
Baker had success with the Blues and Slammers brands behind him. He would not have the same success at Pats. Does anyone here believe that he could have recruited Trinitiy Rodman or Reilyn Turner to Pats? He has only won ECNL championships with those two on his roster (not one, but both at the same time).
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Bakers to Pats = Slammers and Blues biggest nightmare.
 
GT45 said:
Baker had success with the Blues and Slammers brands behind him. He would not have the same success at Pats. Does anyone here believe that he could have recruited Trinitiy Rodman or Reilyn Turner to Pats? He has only won ECNL championships with those two on his roster (not one, but both at the same time).
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That X-treme Breakaway team was pretty darn good.
 
Footy30 said:
I agree with you 100% there will definitely be a lot of movement amongst the current OC teams, and now even more will be commuting to the OC since there is another ECNL team in OC. Only time will tell what the teams will look like next year.... one thing that will most likely stay the same are the large rosters sizes, which everyone playing ECNL needs to just accept. Best of luck to everyone!
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not sure why you think there will be alot of movement amongst OC teams. why would any current ecnl player move to Pats? maybe a girl whos 18-22 on their current roster might move but what does that do for Pats. There simply is not enough talent to support 5 teams in the OC!!
 
oh canada said:
Bakers to Pats = Pats parents' biggest nightmare. Do the younger parents here need to be reminded of the mental abuse endured by players on those coached teams?
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You're kidding, right? Dispite all of the warnings and reminders in the past, he still recruited as well as anyone out there. If he goes to pats, they will certainly be competitive immediately.
 
Nextbigthing said:
not sure why you think there will be alot of movement amongst OC teams. why would any current ecnl player move to Pats? maybe a girl whos 18-22 on their current roster might move but what does that do for Pats. There simply is not enough talent to support 5 teams in the OC!!
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Let me give you a hypothetical. What if the 06 blues ecrl coach and most players move to pats? That team plus a few other good players would make them immediately competitive in ecnl. There is plenty of talent in oc.
 
Nextbigthing said:
not sure why you think there will be alot of movement amongst OC teams. why would any current ecnl player move to Pats? maybe a girl whos 18-22 on their current roster might move but what does that do for Pats. There simply is not enough talent to support 5 teams in the OC!!
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Why move to Pats? Same reasons as people move to any other team. Maybe you like the coach. Maybe practice is convenient. Maybe you have a friend on the team. Maybe you want more playing time. Maybe your current team has a toxic parent culture.

OC has enough talent. Benches might get a bit thinner. More kids will get playing time. Solar will have an easier time winning their five thousandth championship. And life will go on.
 
Sike said:
Let me give you a hypothetical. What if the 06 blues ecrl coach and most players move to pats? That team plus a few other good players would make them immediately competitive in ecnl. There is plenty of talent in oc.
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There is plenty of talent if you want to finish in the bottom half of the table.
 
Nextbigthing said:
There is plenty of talent if you want to finish in the bottom half of the table.
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If that's your take then I'm going to guess you haven't seen them play and the bottom half of the ecnl sw play. They wouldn't beat koge, surf, legends or blues, but they'd give everyone else a game.

To be clear, I don't think adding pats makes ecnl better. They should've adding a team in another geo. I'm just providing an example at one age group of how pats could compete next year. There is plenty of talent, especially with the families from north sd willing to make the drive to the gp (crazy, but true).
 
Sike said:
If that's your take then I'm going to guess you haven't seen them play and the bottom half of the ecnl sw play. They wouldn't beat koge, surf, legends or blues, but they'd give everyone else a game.

To be clear, I don't think adding pats makes ecnl better. They should've adding a team in another geo. I'm just providing an example at one age group of how pats could compete next year. There is plenty of talent, especially with the families from north sd willing to make the drive to the gp (crazy, but true).
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Parents in North SD drive to GP because Surf and now Sharks are the only ECNL options in San Diego. Unless you want to drive to the Rebels which is nearly impossible with traffic. Ironically with traffic GP is only a 15 minutes more than the Polo fields during the summer.
 
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