GeekKid
SILVER ELITE
Zombie, that's crazy. Tryouts before playoffs even start? What a racket!!!
ECNL expansion 2021-2022
- Thread starter Surf Zombie
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Yup, way before May 31st like them old days. If you leave, no playoffs for you. I was always honest when we committed elsewhere before season is over. Big mistake for some. For me, never!! Good Karma is always on the side of honesty. Keeping mouth shut about next year is a smart move, moo!
Surf Zombie
GOLD
Yeah, it's a pretty crazy dynamic. It's going to be an interesting dynamic if there are kids who aren't brought back and new kids inbound from GA or wherever.
Abraham Parnasis
BRONZE
This may have already been posted, but any talk of relegation for the historically lowest-performing ECNL clubs? Keeping up with the exclusivity of ECNL and all-clubs that consistently underperform at all age groups- boys and girls sides. I thought this was "Elite Club National League".
Without gathering data, I can think of a few off the top of my head that would be at risk for relegation.Sounds like you're positioning that current ECNL teams should regulate existing ECNL teams so other better Non-ECNL can take their place.This may have already been posted, but any talk of relegation for the historically lowest-performing ECNL clubs? Keeping up with the exclusivity of ECNL and all-clubs that consistently underperform at all age groups- boys and girls sides. I thought this was "Elite Club National League".
This won't happen for a while because the top teams need a couple of guaranteed wins to make ECNL look viable. Also as long as ECNL keeps the number of accepted Clubs low in a specific area (and is perceived at the top level of play) over time even the bottom of the barrel will get better. What parents might not understand is that there can be deep seated reasons ABC club isn't allowed into XYZ league. Logically level of play should be the only determiner of who gets into the top level of play. Unfortunately this often isn't reality.
Abraham Parnasis
BRONZE
Well is ECNL "elite" or is it just based on nonverbal contracts like handshakes and winks? I have had kids play in DA, ECNL, GA, EGSL (a ways back...) and I have seen it all. I do think that there are very competitive clubs that deserve a shot at ECNL when there are clubs that underperform throughout all age groups within ECNL in SoCal.
ECNL is both... "Elite" and "nonverbal contracts like handshakes and winks". Welcome to the real world
Surf Zombie
GOLD
I think in certain circumstances club ownership is also a legitimate concern. If the club owner is a known problem child, why would they ever want to bring that club into the fold?
Not only are we club hoppers, we will now be labeled "league hoppers" if we dare leave a league. We played Deza Force team in that EGSL league. That was pre-ecnl. I never did GA though or GAL and almost got lied to for the 100th time and would have been stuck with DPL. Can we all agree to just call all the kids soccer players.
So many problem Childs in this freaking sport. I swear I tried to leave years ago but my dd loves to freaking compete. Gotta chase them medals.
futboldad1
PREMIER
This may have already been posted, but any talk of relegation for the historically lowest-performing ECNL clubs? Keeping up with the exclusivity of ECNL and all-clubs that consistently underperform at all age groups- boys and girls sides. I thought this was "Elite Club National League".
When the stats are readily available, don't be so lazy to not research them........I even posted the 2019-20 standings across girls DA and ECNL......this year just look across the age groups of ECNL to get an early idea.........
people whining on here about their non Ecnl club being better......it's just not true......Surf and Real deserved the entry we got this year and this upcoming season the other two most deserving clubs legends and beach got in too....... based on the stats nobody else from DA made a case expect Galaxy South Bay but they dissolved and the kids went to various ECNL clubs.......
I wonder who was doing the favor to who and who needed who.
Abraham Parnasis
BRONZE
Some of us have careers that keep us extremely busy and researching soccer stats? Yes, I know they are buried in here somewhere. Maybe someone hard-working with more time can repost last year's. This year's stats will naturally be available as our covid season progresses.
My point is that there are clubs in ECNL that not only don't win games across all ages and gender but do not develop players. Those clubs should be held accountable within ECNL. That is, contrary to what was posted above, real life. No W's, No ECNL. Just like EPL... Otherwise, let's just slap a patch on every jersey and call everyone elite.
futboldad1
PREMIER
"extremely busy" but posting multiple times in a day on a kid's soccer forum? Don't blow a gasket I'm just messing wit you but you got to admit you walked into that one
......here is the statistics from most recent season.....I do not have this current season but just go to ECNL app or girls site and you can look across age groups to get a general idea after 5 or 6 games.......| GDA AND ECNL 2020 Standings Per Club by PPG | ||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| GDA Current Standings (Based on PPG) | ||||||||
| AVG Standings | U14 | U15 | U16 | U17 | U18/U19 | |||
| San Diego Surf | 2.4 | 2 | 1 | 4 | 4 | 1 | ||
| Legends | 4 | 1 | 7 | 5 | 2 | 5 | ||
| LA Galaxy | 5 | 3 | 6 | 1 | 7 | 8 | ||
| Real So Cal | 5.2 | 4 | 8 | 2 | 10 | 2 | ||
| Beach Futbol Club | 6.6 | 13 | 2 | 6 | 3 | 9 | ||
| SC Blues | 6.6 | 6 | 4 | 9 | 1 | 13 | ||
| Albion SC | 7.2 | 5 | 5 | 10 | 5 | 11 | ||
| LA Galaxy San Diego | 8.2 | 10 | 13 | 3 | 11 | 4 | ||
| Pateadores | 9.2 | 12 | 12 | 7 | 8 | 7 | ||
| SC del Sol | 9.2 | 11 | 3 | 12 | 6 | 14 | ||
| LA Surf SC | 9.4 | 9 | 9 | 11 | 12 | 6 | ||
| Utah Royals FC - Arizona | 9.8 | 14 | 11 | 8 | 13 | 3 | ||
| OC Surf Soccer | 10.6 | 7 | 14 | 13 | 9 | 10 | ||
| Albion SC Las Vegas | 11.6 | 8 | 10 | 14 | 14 | 12 | ||
| ECNL Current Standings (Based on PPG) | AVG Standings | U13 | U14 | U15 | U16 | U17 | U18 | U18 Comp |
| LAFC Slammers | 2.4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 8 |
| So Cal Blues SC | 3.7 | 3 | 6 | 8 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 1 |
| Slammers FC | 4.6 | 6 | 3 | 10 | 3 | 1 | 6 | 3 |
| LA Breakers FC | 6.3 | 5 | 8 | 6 | 8 | 4 | 9 | 4 |
| Heat FC | 6.3 | 1 | 4 | 4 | 7 | 10 | 11 | 7 |
| Strikers FC | 6.6 | 11 | 7 | 3 | 5 | 7 | 3 | 10 |
| Arizona Arsenal SC | 7.1 | 9 | 11 | 12 | 6 | 6 | 4 | 2 |
| Phoenix Rising FC | 7.3 | 7 | 9 | 2 | 2 | 12 | 12 | No team |
| Rebels SC | 7.6 | 8 | 2 | 11 | 10 | 5 | 8 | 9 |
| Eagles SC | 7.6 | 4 | 10 | 5 | 12 | 11 | 5 | 6 |
| Arsenal FC | 8.9 | 12 | 5 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 7 | 11 |
| DMCV Sharks | 9.0 | 10 | 12 | 7 | 11 | 8 | 10 | 5 |
futboldad1
PREMIER
B.t.w.......Above chart is after 13 or 14 games.....roughly 60% of the season played before Covid virus halted it............
Abraham Parnasis
BRONZE
No gaskets destroyed. Don't worry I wouldn't allow the forum to do that.. Too many other things in life that prove to be more important."extremely busy" but posting multiple times in a day on a kid's soccer forum? Don't blow a gasket I'm just messing wit you but you got to admit you walked into that one
GDA AND ECNL 2020 Standings Per Club by PPG GDA Current Standings (Based on PPG) AVG Standings U14 U15 U16 U17 U18/U19 San Diego Surf 2.4 2 1 4 4 1 Legends 4 1 7 5 2 5 LA Galaxy 5 3 6 1 7 8 Real So Cal 5.2 4 8 2 10 2 Beach Futbol Club 6.6 13 2 6 3 9 SC Blues 6.6 6 4 9 1 13 Albion SC 7.2 5 5 10 5 11 LA Galaxy San Diego 8.2 10 13 3 11 4 Pateadores 9.2 12 12 7 8 7 SC del Sol 9.2 11 3 12 6 14 LA Surf SC 9.4 9 9 11 12 6 Utah Royals FC - Arizona 9.8 14 11 8 13 3 OC Surf Soccer 10.6 7 14 13 9 10 Albion SC Las Vegas 11.6 8 10 14 14 12 ECNL Current Standings (Based on PPG) AVG Standings U13 U14 U15 U16 U17 U18 U18 Comp LAFC Slammers 2.4 2 1 1 1 2 2 8 So Cal Blues SC 3.7 3 6 8 4 3 1 1 Slammers FC 4.6 6 3 10 3 1 6 3 LA Breakers FC 6.3 5 8 6 8 4 9 4 Heat FC 6.3 1 4 4 7 10 11 7 Strikers FC 6.6 11 7 3 5 7 3 10 Arizona Arsenal SC 7.1 9 11 12 6 6 4 2 Phoenix Rising FC 7.3 7 9 2 2 12 12 No team Rebels SC 7.6 8 2 11 10 5 8 9 Eagles SC 7.6 4 10 5 12 11 5 6 Arsenal FC 8.9 12 5 9 9 9 7 11 DMCV Sharks 9.0 10 12 7 11 8 10 5
Thank you for posting this though... Exactly what I was looking for.
Desert Hound
DA
And take a look at Royals in the final year of DA. Not terribly good."extremely busy" but posting multiple times in a day on a kid's soccer forum? Don't blow a gasket I'm just messing wit you but you got to admit you walked into that one
GDA AND ECNL 2020 Standings Per Club by PPG GDA Current Standings (Based on PPG) AVG Standings U14 U15 U16 U17 U18/U19 San Diego Surf 2.4 2 1 4 4 1 Legends 4 1 7 5 2 5 LA Galaxy 5 3 6 1 7 8 Real So Cal 5.2 4 8 2 10 2 Beach Futbol Club 6.6 13 2 6 3 9 SC Blues 6.6 6 4 9 1 13 Albion SC 7.2 5 5 10 5 11 LA Galaxy San Diego 8.2 10 13 3 11 4 Pateadores 9.2 12 12 7 8 7 SC del Sol 9.2 11 3 12 6 14 LA Surf SC 9.4 9 9 11 12 6 Utah Royals FC - Arizona 9.8 14 11 8 13 3 OC Surf Soccer 10.6 7 14 13 9 10 Albion SC Las Vegas 11.6 8 10 14 14 12 ECNL Current Standings (Based on PPG) AVG Standings U13 U14 U15 U16 U17 U18 U18 Comp LAFC Slammers 2.4 2 1 1 1 2 2 8 So Cal Blues SC 3.7 3 6 8 4 3 1 1 Slammers FC 4.6 6 3 10 3 1 6 3 LA Breakers FC 6.3 5 8 6 8 4 9 4 Heat FC 6.3 1 4 4 7 10 11 7 Strikers FC 6.6 11 7 3 5 7 3 10 Arizona Arsenal SC 7.1 9 11 12 6 6 4 2 Phoenix Rising FC 7.3 7 9 2 2 12 12 No team Rebels SC 7.6 8 2 11 10 5 8 9 Eagles SC 7.6 4 10 5 12 11 5 6 Arsenal FC 8.9 12 5 9 9 9 7 11 DMCV Sharks 9.0 10 12 7 11 8 10 5
The league goes belly up and then they end up going GA.
In GA they absolutely ROLL through everyone. Zero competition for them. That right there should tell one the state of GA in the SW vs ECNL.
Legends and Beach were good additions to ECNL for this coming year.
Surf Zombie
GOLD
3 clubs from MI, OH & KY.
In fairness to non AZ clubs, the results will be disjointed as all CA clubs were shut out of league play including scrimmages since March 2020 due to restrictions while AZ clubs were scrimmaging into fall with more relaxed restrictions. Many CA clubs first GA matches in October were their first full contact anything (training or games) with some families opting out of AZ travel due to Covid concerns. AZ clubs likely played 8-10 more formal/informal matches/scrimmages and trained more regularly (CA (non contact) trained dependent on local restrictions which were wildly inconsistent). That’s a MASSIVE head start and disadvantage, especially in terms of fitness. Best analogy is MLS clubs playing CONCACAF Champions League in February (their preseason) while Liga MX clubs have played half a season. It just won’t be competitive year in year out and the domination of AZ clubs illustrate that. I say 2020/2021 “season” is a wash and just not an accurate representation of the competitive landscape until you see a normal season though I believe ecnl is clearly the top league but believe ga is not not in the dire competitive state that is inferred.
Abraham Parnasis
BRONZE
Royals had a total overhaul at multiple age groups. Complete equipment change. New players all the way around. Very strong competition now.