ECNL expansion 2021-2022

In AZ you do not have pro/rel. You have ECNL at the top, just like everywhere else. Sure you have some s**t leagues that put different teams into different brackets, just like everyone else, but that is not pro/rel since it does not have any impact on the top of the food chain. It’s just sorting the lower tiers who don’t matter. It’s pro/rel about as much as MLB and the minor leagues, meaning not at all. the

Furthermore, AZ pretty much sucks at soccer, especially once you get out of ECNL, at least on the girls side. I doubt there is a single U15 or higher girls team in AZ that doesn’t play ECNL that wouldn’t lose to top SoCal ECNL clubs 20-0. It’s BS if you think there is nearly the same level of development going in. At least AZ’s ECNL can keep the score in the single digits.

The other thing people like you and @happy9 magat fail to comprehend is that one of the most important factors in development is commitment, and not just commitment of your own kid. You need the same high level commitment from the coaching staff and teammates. That never happens in cheapskate leagues. You never get dedicated committed coaches because you don’t get the income necessary to secure high level coaches, so you get daddy ball part time coaches, and idiots willing to work for some s**t per diem. But go ahead and trust your kid to someone willing to make $8 an hour or sometimes less.

The higher cost of ECNL means that players and families are also committed and serious about it, as they must for that kind of coin. Maybe everyone in AZ is a cheapskate who grew up ok with teammates skipping out all the time because it just isn’t that important to them, or their parents can’t focus on four practices a week because they have two jobs or are single parents, but that does not lead to good soccer develolment.

@happy9’s feelings about pro/rel prove exactly how dumb he is and why no one should believe anything he says. The mere fact that ECNL is highly successful and the vast majority (if not all) elite college girls soccer players come out of ECNL proves him wrong, no ifs ands or buts. The fact that the WNT in the ECNL era is the strongest it has ever been proves the same. The fact that ECNL killed off GDA in a few short years also proves the same. He can claim all he wants that everyone really learned all their development in AYSO when they were 9, bit we all know that’s BS. @happy9 is just another dumb magat who is wrong about everything all the time. His perspective is based on his subconscious irrational belief in American Individualism. He thinks that it’s just as likely a kid will develop into being great simply based on one’s own efforts, with no help from others. You can go to a s**t team, play for free under a daddy coach, and still have the same odds of becoming great as if you spent your formative years training consistently under professional coaches with the best, most dedicated teammates around four days a week for six years. BS. If that were true, why aren’t there there college All-Americans who did not play ECNL? If a kid could become great without ECNL, why isn’t it happening ever? It is because ECNL is where the development really happens.

Wow, you got all that from a few sentences? I'll say this, does play in a Letter league, does play in a system where my player has played/trained with arguably some of the best coaches in AZ, does practice 3-4 times a week along with privates and fitness, does have failures/success and has not given up, has given up a social life at times for soccer, and with the failures and setbacks still shows up with a good attitude. So don't preach to me about commitment and about being in a system which requires commitment. Not sure why you lumped me into this, but I am far from being a cheapskate I pay my fees and do so without question. The money I have spent could have paid for a good portion of college probably, and I don't regret it ONE BIT. Do we discuss it sure, regret it NO! The joy my player has is worth the price of admission. Part of me wants to tell you to go Fuck yourself but that's not my style, I prefer a more grounded conversation instead of the argumentative style you seem to always have on every topic. You might want to see someone about your anger issues. So enjoy the day were on the right side of the grass, and we only get to see our children enjoy this journey for a short time.
 
Hope y’all don’t mind if a casual outside observer plays devils advocate.

I think GAL just outmaneuvered ECNL and this is the beginning of the end for ECNL. I think USSF wanted to put all potential threats under one umbrella so they know which leadership groups to exclude in the future. This current group of kids will rotate out of the system soon, so it doesn’t matter much that ECNL currently has an advantage.

The new club soccer leadership will be with GAL. GAL will attract the next generation of players because they will hold the key to YNT call ups.

Can somebody please tell me why this ain’t so?
 
Del Sols weakness is their numbers
I think them being relegated in the Phx area to the 4th option going forward hurts their prospects greatly.

Again I am not talking about parents jumping ship (some I am sure will). I refer to the recruiting wars to bring in the first age groups as they age into GA/ECNL age groups.

I think this will make their numbers issue worse over the next few years.

Boys side with MLS Next they should be fine.
 
Hope y’all don’t mind if a casual outside observer plays devils advocate.

I think GAL just outmaneuvered ECNL and this is the beginning of the end for ECNL. I think USSF wanted to put all potential threats under one umbrella so they know which leadership groups to exclude in the future. This current group of kids will rotate out of the system soon, so it doesn’t matter much that ECNL currently has an advantage.

The new club soccer leadership will be with GAL. GAL will attract the next generation of players because they will hold the key to YNT call ups.

Can somebody please tell me why this ain’t so?
Because, at least in Norcal and Socal, the feeder teams for GA look weaker than the feeder teams for ECNL.

And the YNT card is limited. USSF can hamstring the YNT by playing call up games again. But it doesn’t help much. If USSF is subtle, parents don’t notice. Of they are blatant, ECNL dusts off their plans for an all star team. It’s not like an ECNL all star team would have trouble finding impressive sounding international opponents.
 
ECNL on the boys side introduced or proposed a two flight system last year after SW expanded to the what 16-18 teams depending on age group not just geographic brackets.

Was going to be a "white" flight with newer or lower rank clubs or teams and the regular flight with 8-9 in each. Was scrapped or postpone to to the pandemic but wonder if that might be brought back for the olders at least so there's more balance. Some clubs have or will have two teams in like Golden State east and west and others like Surf trying to get multiple teams in beyond ECRL.
 
Because, at least in Norcal and Socal, the feeder teams for GA look weaker than the feeder teams for ECNL.

And the YNT card is limited. USSF can hamstring the YNT by playing call up games again. But it doesn’t help much. If USSF is subtle, parents don’t notice. Of they are blatant, ECNL dusts off their plans for an all star team. It’s not like an ECNL all star team would have trouble finding impressive sounding international opponents.
Yeah, but under this scenario couldn’t USSF still attract the top %20 of players by dangling the YNT carrot making ECNL and their ALL Star team a second tier league?
 
I think them being relegated in the Phx area to the 4th option going forward hurts their prospects greatly.

Again I am not talking about parents jumping ship (some I am sure will). I refer to the recruiting wars to bring in the first age groups as they age into GA/ECNL age groups.

I think this will make their numbers issue worse over the next few years.

Boys side with MLS Next they should be fine.

It could, especially with parents who place the highest value overall to player platform - which is valid. They have some work to do, as well as the GA to prove their value in contrast to ECNL.

I don't think the current group of parents will jump ship, unless they are unhappy with their playing time. They run small rosters as it is. If you think your player can get more playing time on a larger roster, then so be it.

Historically Del Sol loses players who's parents think they should have made the top team but were offered a spot on the DPL/state league team. It's their right and their choice. Some parents have kept their kids on the DPL teams and have seen then develop and gain spots on the top teams. Just the way it goes I guess.

But to your point, they will have to up their game to recruit the up and coming GA/ECNL age groups. They've always recruited well. They will certainly leverage the success of their current batch of age groups and their college endeavors. We shall see. Grab the popcorn and watch.
 
Yeah, but under this scenario couldn’t USSF still attract the top %20 of players by dangling the YNT carrot making ECNL and their ALL Star team a second tier league?
Sure. You'll get some kids chasing YNT, just like ECNL gets kids chasing the badge. But you get a few kids, not the entire top 20%.

So, YNT is the high trump, but it is only good for one trick. The rest is determined by the other cards in play.
 
What makes you think this?
Because USSF controls the YNT and GA is sponsored/affiliated with USSF. So if I was running USSF, I would want the top %20 of players training under one umbrella. I would also want loyalty to my philosophy from club leadership and it’s easier to get loyalty from up and coming clubs that you help make it. As opposed to old established ECNL clubs that want to fight every step of the way. With all the top clubs under the ECNL umbrella now, killing off their leadership groups will be as easy as shooting fish in a barrel.
 
Wow, you got all that from a few sentences? I'll say this, does play in a Letter league, does play in a system where my player has played/trained with arguably some of the best coaches in AZ, does practice 3-4 times a week along with privates and fitness, does have failures/success and has not given up, has given up a social life at times for soccer, and with the failures and setbacks still shows up with a good attitude. So don't preach to me about commitment and about being in a system which requires commitment. Not sure why you lumped me into this, but I am far from being a cheapskate I pay my fees and do so without question. The money I have spent could have paid for a good portion of college probably, and I don't regret it ONE BIT. Do we discuss it sure, regret it NO! The joy my player has is worth the price of admission. Part of me wants to tell you to go Fuck yourself but that's not my style, I prefer a more grounded conversation instead of the argumentative style you seem to always have on every topic. You might want to see someone about your anger issues. So enjoy the day were on the right side of the grass, and we only get to see our children enjoy this journey for a short time.
he just felt left out. Can't help himself. And if the cheapskate tag was directed at me.. I'm fine with that. He can call it cheapskate, I call it being efficient with the dollars. Kinda like running a business. Something he likely knows nothing about. But anyway, he can't help himself. It's a by product of realizing your lack of relevance in general to anything.
 
Sure. You'll get some kids chasing YNT, just like ECNL gets kids chasing the badge. But you get a few kids, not the entire top 20%.

So, YNT is the high trump, but it is only good for one trick. The rest is determined by the other cards in play.
Okay, GAL can go all in and say Fully funded for the top 20% only. The other 80% that pay are paying for the benefit of practicing with the top 20%.
 
Okay, GAL can go all in and say Fully funded for the top 20% only. The other 80% that pay are paying for the benefit of practicing with the top 20%.
You writing the checks for that? Because USSF would have trouble ordering pizza from Domino’s right now.
 
I didn't know that GAL was associated or supported by USSF? I thought GAL was just all the clubs that got dumped by USSF's terrible DA system trying to stay meaningful by creating this new league but thought it was separate.
 
10 are at Beach.
Where did Beach's 06 DA team go? It was not nearly as strong as the Galaxy team. Did they move within the club or move to Breakers, Slammers, etc? I know 07s moved from Galaxy's top team to Beach with their coach and a bunch of Beach players joined the 07 Galaxy DA team that then evaporated. Some came back to Beach, but had to accept spots on lower level teams. This whole year has been so odd.
 
Because USSF controls the YNT and GA is sponsored/affiliated with USSF. So if I was running USSF, I would want the top %20 of players training under one umbrella. I would also want loyalty to my philosophy from club leadership and it’s easier to get loyalty from up and coming clubs that you help make it. As opposed to old established ECNL clubs that want to fight every step of the way. With all the top clubs under the ECNL umbrella now, killing off their leadership groups will be as easy as shooting fish in a barrel.
Maybe you see something that I don’t. I can’t seem to find any relationship between GA and US Soccer Federation.
 
Where did Beach's 06 DA team go? It was not nearly as strong as the Galaxy team. Did they move within the club or move to Breakers, Slammers, etc? I know 07s moved from Galaxy's top team to Beach with their coach and a bunch of Beach players joined the 07 Galaxy DA team that then evaporated. Some came back to Beach, but had to accept spots on lower level teams. This whole year has been so odd.
The former Beach ‘06 Academy team was split. 7 stayed on the Academy (which became the ECRL team), plus one pulled up from the former DPL team and the rest were mixed in with some of the former DPL players to form the GA team.
 
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