ECNL expansion 2021-2022

Desert Hound said:
As you know ECNL/DA rosters as a whole go to a lot better soccer programs vs APL rosters. That is a fact.

And in the Valley? Over time with ECNL being the better competition at least in the SW you know the better players will go to the ECNL clubs. And so those rosters will generally go to better soccer programs vs non ECNL platforms. We have seen a variation of this now for years.

We can always find kids from APL who play in college. But when you look at those rosters and where they go vs DA/ECNL rosters there is a big difference. Hell if you look at where Rising is now placing kids vs pre ECNL the difference is noticeable. Same with Arsenal.

The fact is going forward del Sol and GA will be perceived as 2nd tier vs what the other 3 are offering. And based on history we know where parents with the most talented kids will head to.

I suspect that same perception will grow in So Cal as well with the same results.
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The better soccer programs wasn't your statement. Your statement is Quality of competition is an important factor coaches look at as it relates to who they recruit. Your narrowing your view to only "better soccer programs" which usually means D1 Power 5 type programs, and I think I alluded to that as well. There are close to well over 600+ D2 and D3 programs as well, where most kids end up. Many of those kids don't play ECNL/GA and you know that... My point is for Smaller D1 programs or D2/D3 whether or not you are in ECNL isn't a deciding factor. I know you are tooting your ECNL horn but I am not sure you want to make that first statement either of ECNL/GA players go to better programs, percentage wise yes, but just because you have the ECNL patch doesn't mean you get in. Fact....
 
azsnowrider said:
The better soccer programs wasn't your statement. Your statement is Quality of competition is an important factor coaches look at as it relates to who they recruit. Your narrowing your view to only "better soccer programs" which usually means D1 Power 5 type programs, and I think I alluded to that as well. There are close to well over 600+ D2 and D3 programs as well, where most kids end up. Many of those kids don't play ECNL/GA and you know that... My point is for Smaller D1 programs or D2/D3 whether or not you are in ECNL isn't a deciding factor. I know you are tooting your ECNL horn but I am not sure you want to make that first statement either of ECNL/GA players go to better programs, percentage wise yes, but just because you have the ECNL patch doesn't mean you get in. Fact....
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Well I will still say quality of competition is an important consideration for many colleges. They want players who have played against the best players.

It seems non controversial to say that the level of competition in the ECNL SW will be much stronger vs GA SW no?
 
What does the addition of Beach and Legends do to GA and DPL in SoCal? We all know that Pats and West Coast would do anything to have ECNL instead of ECNL-RL.
Since WC and Pats are also on the technical committee for SCDSL and SCDSL moved away from Cal-South - This is their chance to try and revise this leagues relevance. Keep ECNL-RL if you must. But put everything else back into SCDSL and prop your league up a bit.
 
Desert Hound said:
Well I will still say quality of competition is an important consideration for many colleges. They want players who have played against the best players.

It seems non controversial to say that the level of competition in the ECNL SW will be much stronger vs GA SW no?
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Not just ECNL SW. ECNL NW > GA, too.
 
azsnowrider said:
The better soccer programs wasn't your statement. Your statement is Quality of competition is an important factor coaches look at as it relates to who they recruit. Your narrowing your view to only "better soccer programs" which usually means D1 Power 5 type programs, and I think I alluded to that as well. There are close to well over 600+ D2 and D3 programs as well, where most kids end up. Many of those kids don't play ECNL/GA and you know that... My point is for Smaller D1 programs or D2/D3 whether or not you are in ECNL isn't a deciding factor. I know you are tooting your ECNL horn but I am not sure you want to make that first statement either of ECNL/GA players go to better programs, percentage wise yes, but just because you have the ECNL patch doesn't mean you get in. Fact....
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I played NAIA hoops and I did not need to be in AAU to be recruited. I actually got recruited playing pick up ball at CSUF Titans Gym open play on a Saturday. I played against and with Cedric Ceballos and a few of the Titans that would come play to stay in shape. Well, i happen to get picked up by Ced ((he liked my hustle and I always made sure he got the rock to shoot )) and I made a name for myself. Scotty Brooks would be there as well. Keep in mine this was not pick up like UCLA had in those awesome summer games at Pauly back when Magic and Jordan would have epic battles. No, this was a little bit lower level but I was hanging with future NBA players and that made me feel proud. Any who, one of the players over at Pacific Christian College ((Hope U now)) spotted my talents and talked to me about Christ and his awesome coach, Lee Erickson. He coached over at Witch a ta State and Cal Baptist. He told me if I worked hard at my game I could go over seas and play pro. He coached Cliff Livingston at State and he would show up to our practices at CSUF. We did get to scrimmage Ced's team in pre-season and it was a crushing defeat. Ced pulled me aside and told me he loved my hustle and if i keep up the good work, I could go pro in Europe.
 
I have a question..

If the SW ECNL does decide to split into two groups how do you see this split happening? With now 4 out of state teams who are the lucky (or unlucky depending on where you stand on travel) who gets to travel out of state?? hmmmmm
 
Glad to see them expand it. Hope they do something to separate out the top 20-40 teams per age bracket.
Desert Hound said:
Well I will still say quality of competition is an important consideration for many colleges. They want players who have played against the best players.

It seems non controversial to say that the level of competition in the ECNL SW will be much stronger vs GA SW no?
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Kind of a moot point for most players.

Yes, top colleges will want players who play and excel against the top players.

If you aren’t already dominating in your non-ECNL league, maybe that’s not you.

Barca probably wants players who play against top players, too. That doesn’t mean they’re calling up every bench warmer from Leipzig just because they occasionally face Bayern.
 
Footy30 said:
I have a question..

If the SW ECNL does decide to split into two groups how do you see this split happening? With now 4 out of state teams who are the lucky (or unlucky depending on where you stand on travel) who gets to travel out of state?? hmmmmm
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Footy, I shared my dreams about this a ways back. I see it like this
Desert Divison
AZ Royals
AZ Arsenal
AZ Risng
AZ Del Sol
NV Heat
SD Surf
SD Rebels
SD Sharks
IE Legends
IE Arsenal

West Coast Division
Beach FC
LA Breakers
Real SC
Eagles
Strikers
Blues
LAFC
Slammers
West Coast
Pats
 
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crush said:
Footy, I shared my dreams about this a ways back. I see it like this
Desert Divison
AZ Royals
AZ Arsenal
AZ Risng
NV Heat
SD Surf
SD Rebels
SD Sharks
IE Legends
IE Arsenal

West Coast Division
Beach FC
LA Breakers
Real SC
Eagles
Strikers
Blues
LAFC
Slammers
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You're right you did... my bad.. I think this is pretty good guess. The ?in West Coast division is in case another team is let in??
 
Footy30 said:
You're right you did... my bad.. I think this is pretty good guess. The ?in West Coast division is in case another team is let in??
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Yes. I was thinking maybe West Coast and Pats could have 2 out of three battle for that final spot? I would like to see WC and Pats. I also added Del Sol to Desert Division. We could then go 10 and ten. I switch what it would look like. That way no one feels left out. Trust me, I know what it's like to be kicked out of a league and it's not a fun feeling. I know that feeling all too well.
 
Desert Hound said:
Well I will still say quality of competition is an important consideration for many colleges. They want players who have played against the best players.

It seems non controversial to say that the level of competition in the ECNL SW will be much stronger vs GA SW no?
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I think the word you are looking for is potential, Does the ECNL SW even play any games? All I see are cancellations. I don't see the GA canceling anything they played all year, and will in Texas from what it sounds like....... PS: the GA better not cancel now that I said that but round rock is a distance away. :D

Reality is the real competition is between maybe 6 clubs, then the rest.
 
crush said:
I played NAIA hoops and I did not need to be in AAU to be recruited. I actually got recruited playing pick up ball at CSUF Titans Gym open play on a Saturday. I played against and with Cedric Ceballos and a few of the Titans that would come play to stay in shape. Well, i happen to get picked up by Ced ((he liked my hustle and I always made sure he got the rock to shoot )) and I made a name for myself. Scotty Brooks would be there as well. Keep in mine this was not pick up like UCLA had in those awesome summer games at Pauly back when Magic and Jordan would have epic battles. No, this was a little bit lower level but I was hanging with future NBA players and that made me feel proud. Any who, one of the players over at Pacific Christian College ((Hope U now)) spotted my talents and talked to me about Christ and his awesome coach, Lee Erickson. He coached over at Witch a ta State and Cal Baptist. He told me if I worked hard at my game I could go over seas and play pro. He coached Cliff Livingston at State and he would show up to our practices at CSUF. We did get to scrimmage Ced's team in pre-season and it was a crushing defeat. Ced pulled me aside and told me he loved my hustle and if i keep up the good work, I could go pro in Europe.
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I loved Cedric, got to hang out with him one day. He was super cool, and I loved his game. Back then Basketball was fun to watch. I always felt he never got the credit he deserved and I watched him play A LOT! You know, the Suns thing.
 
azsnowrider said:
I loved Cedric, got to hang out with him one day. He was super cool, and I loved his game. Back then Basketball was fun to watch. I always felt he never got the credit he deserved and I watched him play A LOT! You know, the Suns thing.
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He was super cool and not full of ego like others. He talked with me and treated me like a baller that i was. At first chance of seeing me, you would not be scared of me. However, I would slap your knee or foul you hard or take the charge to show all that I mean business that day. Dont judge by the cover of the book is all I can say with me.
 
My question is does West Coast, Pats and LA surf all remain in ECRL? All 3 clubs have GA teams, ECRL teams and DPL?
 
zags77 said:
My question is does West Coast, Pats and LA surf all remain in ECRL? All 3 clubs have GA teams, ECRL teams and DPL?
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1st, 2nd and 3rd Teams. Where they put these teams may determine their future. For example, if Pats puts its first team in GA, it will likely never gain entry into ECNL.
 
Kicker4Life said:
1st, 2nd and 3rd Teams. Where they put these teams may determine their future. For example, if Pats puts its first team in GA, it will likely never gain entry into ECNL.
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What's your take on how many teams is to many? Sitting at 17 now in the SW which could be 18 soon, maybe. Adding those 3 mentioned at some point puts it at 20/21 in the SW, how diluted is SoCal with what could be 17/18 ECNL teams? My 2 cents is ECNL needs to bump a few underperforming clubs to make it truly the best, or relegate them to regional league.
 
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