I am also on the inside but can't reveal myself, but trust me I know an angel dies when another Surf affiliate forms.
Discovery League- "We've created a monster!!!"
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I am also on the inside but can't reveal myself, but trust me I know an angel dies when another Surf affiliate forms.
I took a look at Discovery for the boys, most are 3rd and 4th tier teams. I feel sorry for the 1st tier teams from small clubs that have to travel a distance to play a 4th tier team. My buddy's son's team is a very competitive team from a small club that has to play the 4th team from a larger club four times during the season. The teams are in each others backyards but have to travel to Oceanside for one team to destroy the other.
According to my buddy they were lead to believe that there would be some cross play between North and South since they would be playing at the same venues for the most part. That would make sense, but instead they get to play the same crappy teams 3-4 times during the season.
It seems that there are many knowledgeable people on this thread so I’d like to ask how the Champions division will be formed this season? Is it the same as Discovery and any team that applied to play Champions division will, or will the teams be looked at independently and those considered the best qualified will be put in that group? Thanks
That's what State Cup and Showcases are - cross play.
State Cup is irrelevant except at the youngest ages. The year we played SCDSL flight 1 we had plenty of south north play and everyone had to travel to the opposition's fields. With central field locations cross play makes even more sense. Seems a lot more attractive to have cross play with similar level teams than to play a team 2-3 levels below you 4 times just because they're in your geographical region which is irrelevant when you're playing in a central location. Seems like cross play would be a good option that Discovery could offer.
Josh is on the technical committee. He runs Silverlakes. Does he have say in soccer programming, yes he has a vote. Does he ideas sway the league to Silverlakes? NO.
The league has no special treatment at Silverlakes. Or OSide or Del Mar. The league rents fie
Don't need to that is the point of a forum. But one thing is for sure you are not a DOC/ Board Member or work for SOCAL.
So how you think you know it all..........
Hope you have a great season.
Interesting spin and memories you seem to have.
According to this thread discovery was created and cost $1400
SCDSL adding Discovery Division
Interesting new development for club soccer in socal. http://goalnation.com/improving-youth-soccer-scdsl-kicks-off-new-discovery-division/
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you Gotha love people who try to spin things and talk out of both sides. According to soccer.com it's break even but now you say no there losing money, which is it?
If money is really being lost how's that covered? Side deals with the parking that reduces field costs, video hustles, showcases or just overcharging for other things?
The shell games played are amusing if not borderline shady.
Club Youth soccer demographics are still segregated for the most part and costs continue to climb. Parents are playing more to pay in this league division in the long run that's the bottom line. Parking fees, transportation costs, time, coaches travel expenses for the high majority of teams getting no home games with fewer people coming to spectate.
Cubs may save a few dollars on registration compared to Cal South but is that passed down to parents? What clubs pay league fees out of club dues and which ones state that's only covered by team fees? What's included in team fees? Are those being reduced this season or increased?
If you want to paint a realistic picture you can take selective broad strokes or you can go into the finer ones to get something that looks better. Right now I would say you might want to do the ladder and think outside of your narrow or selective view to consider the overall picture.
Parent like I have stated anytime anybody has asked!
How about you again? What's your affiliation to this Division or League?
How many members of this committee have a financial stake at the venues or anything that the league spends money on or enters agreements with?
Do you think it's appropriate to excuse oneself in voting due to possible conflicts of financial interest?
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Yeah, that really sucks when you play teams that don't belong in the top bracket. I remember during the 2018season, my DD's 05 team was in the Flight 1 bracket and they were the only true "A-Team" for their club. It was a small club so we had no DA or ECNL teams, but that team was always in the top 7 of the youth soccer rankings for that year. We had 2 teams in that bracket from the same club, but that club had a DA and a DPL team, so they were actually the C and D teams. We played both teams twice and won all 4 games with the scores 8-1, 8-1, 9-0, and 8-1. All the games were over by halftime.
Parent like I have stated anytime anybody has asked! - Don’t care.
How about you again? What's your affiliation to this Division or League? No concern of yours. Just trying to keep things truthful. Not Michele (Eagle 33)
How many members of this committee have a financial stake at the venues or anything that the league spends money on or enters agreements with? One. He is a paid employee by Silverlakes. Employee
Do you think it's appropriate to excuse oneself in voting due to possible conflicts of financial interest? He does, when applicable.
Dreamz posted the numbers. Still believe SoCal is making the the big bucks over having more teams in Discovery.
All I am saying is the number of teams in Discovery is based on the DOC’s decision to allow self bracketing due to COVID. Does it suck DOC’s took advantage, absolutely. Who wants to play a dog team that is mid flighted. The best is when a DOC puts a team in Discovery then they drop the team all together. Tells me you were trying to sell some BS that did not work.
it will get back to 15 in North and 15 in south next year. With 15 that belong. All I ever stated until LAFA disagreed.
I do agree, parents are the losers in all of this. But as long as they pay the clubs will take advantage. The league is driven by the DOC’s of the league who all get one vote.
How about you again? What's your affiliation to this Division or League? No concern of yours. Just trying to keep things truthful. Not Michele (Eagle 33)
How many members of this committee have a financial stake at the venues or anything that the league spends money on or enters agreements with? One. He is a paid employee by Silverlakes. Employee
Do you think it's appropriate to excuse oneself in voting due to possible conflicts of financial interest? He does, when applicable.
Dreamz posted the numbers. Still believe SoCal is making the the big bucks over having more teams in Discovery.
All I am saying is the number of teams in Discovery is based on the DOC’s decision to allow self bracketing due to COVID. Does it suck DOC’s took advantage, absolutely. Who wants to play a dog team that is mid flighted. The best is when a DOC puts a team in Discovery then they drop the team all together. Tells me you were trying to sell some BS that did not work.
it will get back to 15 in North and 15 in south next year. With 15 that belong. All I ever stated until LAFA disagreed.
I do agree, parents are the losers in all of this. But as long as they pay the clubs will take advantage. The league is driven by the DOC’s of the league who all get one vote.
Does it have to be 15 in the north and 15 in the south? Shouldn't discovery be based on skills? There are teams that should not be in it who are currently in it and most of them are from big brand name clubs trying to please their 3 and 4th teams. If there are only 15 teams total, all games should rotate between great park, silverlakes, oceandside, and del mar.
Well at least you're becoming more reasonable and understanding. But no I said there are bigger $$ in premium Leagues and I haven't seen one that's brake even yet. How many teams will be in the divisions next season remains to be seen.
According to you... dreamz says the clubs are the one making the $$, primetime say no it's the venue making the $$, you say no it's not the league making anything. Basically they all have a hand in the parents pockets and are colluding together according to dreamz. That sounds just peachy for the people paying for all this.
What other venues where voted on besides the 2-3 ones that thousand of players must commute to now?
Was silverlakes selected partly due to contact obligations since that calls for x amount of customers, parking revenue, and field usage. The coincidence seems obviously but you're the insider who doesn't want to reveal their conflict of interest so who knows?
SCDSL loses Silverlakes Norco...
Apparently SCDSL did not get there field permits for SilverLakes Norco for the 19-20' season due to a contract expirations or other issues according to communicate sent out recently. Lawyer are knee deep in this one so might be some resolutions but the league folks are informing clubs they will...
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Don't you think it's kind of ironic to call this a Socal Discovery League where you can only be discovery out in Norco or down south in San Diego county. Meanwhile thousands of players and hundreds of teams are passes by on the commute. Centralized league play may be good for the league, club, venues but does little to nothing to attract new players, fans, etc while driving up costs for the paying customers.
What's happening in Discovery is just illustrative of the current structural problems were having in youth soccer. Small clubs are being left behind. Small clubs will often have a team or two that are very competitive, but can't get comparable competition in league because the club is not strong enough overall to be a member of an acronym league. As a result, they end up playing the big clubs 3rd and 4th teams which often are just glorified rec teams. Things have been a scramble with the demise of the DA and the pandemic. I'm hoping that once the dust settles there will be some consolidation of league play, but I'm concerned that the small clubs, which can have a lot to offer, will continue to be consumed by the big clubs. Thus eliminating options for the customer and player.
Also seems to me that clubs with ECNL would rather dilute the ECNL and ECRL pools than play the team in an appropriate league and level. Teams getting creamed 10-0 don't develop from it, and ECNL isn't a developmental league - its a competitive one. Yet, these clubs implicitly but affirmatively devalue the "developmental" league they themselves created by taking appropriate competition out of the league and improperly bracketing their C and D teams.
Cue some DOC saying that their mission statement fixes all this. "Trust Mega Club DOC," they say. "Mega Club loves you."
Is Las Vegas Surf 2007 really going to come to So Cal every weekend for Discovery League games?
Anyone know the guy/girl that sold this to them? I've got an open spot on my sales team and I'm sure they would do really well.
Also - In the 07 age group you have 23 teams. 15 in the north division. 8 in the south division.
Looks like "south" teams play in Oceanside or Del Mar and North teams play mostly at Silverlakes.
The San Diego teams (Cardiff, Carlsbad, Encinitas, Rebels) will have nice easy drives.
Anyone know the guy/girl that sold this to them? I've got an open spot on my sales team and I'm sure they would do really well.
Also - In the 07 age group you have 23 teams. 15 in the north division. 8 in the south division.
Looks like "south" teams play in Oceanside or Del Mar and North teams play mostly at Silverlakes.
The San Diego teams (Cardiff, Carlsbad, Encinitas, Rebels) will have nice easy drives.
Only one name listed for the 5 teams. Looks like he took some of the Players SC teams. I hear that NV competition is not that great but I could argue it was fine from where those teams sat, especially when you take into account all the LV tourneys/showcases. Thought I know one of those teams is appropriate for Discovery at least.
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LV Surf is in G2009 Discovery as well.
Primetime
SILVER ELITE
Well at least you're becoming more reasonable and understanding. But no I said there are bigger $$ in premium Leagues and I haven't seen one that's brake even yet. How many teams will be in the divisions next season remains to be seen.
According to you... dreamz says the clubs are the one making the $$, primetime say no it's the venue making the $$, you say no it's not the league making anything. Basically they all have a hand in the parents pockets and are colluding together according to dreamz. That sounds just peachy for the people paying for all this.
What other venues where voted on besides the 2-3 ones that thousand of players must commute to now?
Was silverlakes selected partly due to contact obligations since that calls for x amount of customers, parking revenue, and field usage. The coincidence seems obviously but you're the insider who doesn't want to reveal their conflict of interest so who knows?
SCDSL loses Silverlakes Norco...
Apparently SCDSL did not get there field permits for SilverLakes Norco for the 19-20' season due to a contract expirations or other issues according to communicate sent out recently. Lawyer are knee deep in this one so might be some resolutions but the league folks are informing clubs they will...
Don't you think it's kind of ironic to call this a Socal Discovery League where you can only be discovery out in Norco or down south in San Diego county. Meanwhile thousands of players and hundreds of teams are passes by on the commute. Centralized league play may be good for the league, club, venues but does little to nothing to attract new players, fans, etc while driving up costs for the paying customers.
One of The Ideas behind Discovery was to have all the top teams at one location and create a showcase type of event/atmosphere making it easier for college coaches ect. So not too many places that can accommodate that.
Primetime
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Interesting spin and memories you seem to have.
According to this thread discovery was created and cost $1400
SCDSL adding Discovery Division
Interesting new development for club soccer in socal. http://goalnation.com/improving-youth-soccer-scdsl-kicks-off-new-discovery-division/
you Gotha love people who try to spin things and talk out of both sides. According to soccer.com it's break even but now you say no there losing money, which is it?
If money is really being lost how's that covered? Side deals with the parking that reduces field costs, video hustles, showcases or just overcharging for other things?
The shell games played are amusing if not borderline shady.
Club Youth soccer demographics are still segregated for the most part and costs continue to climb. Parents are playing more to pay in this league division in the long run that's the bottom line. Parking fees, transportation costs, time, coaches travel expenses for the high majority of teams getting no home games with fewer people coming to spectate.
Cubs may save a few dollars on registration compared to Cal South but is that passed down to parents? What clubs pay league fees out of club dues and which ones state that's only covered by team fees? What's included in team fees? Are those being reduced this season or increased?
If you want to paint a realistic picture you can take selective broad strokes or you can go into the finer ones to get something that looks better. Right now I would say you might want to do the ladder and think outside of your narrow or selective view to consider the overall picture.
Discovery used to be $1,000 now it’s was lowered to $800. Regular league fees also have gone down the past two years. People may have been referencing a $1500 cost but that includes the $700 state cup fee. The loss in funds that Discovery cost is covered by the other league fees. You know all that giant fortune everyone claims is being pocketed. The reason both fees have gone down is the league isn’t designed to run a profit so after analyzing cost they decided to lower fees.
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Discovery is a good idea for older age groups. I don’t understand why they have it for 7th graders.
ECNL should be a league on their own. ECRL and flight 1 discovery should be combined as a discovery starting in 8th grade/9th grade.
I don’t understand people complaining about parking fees $20 or less. These are the same people that spend $100 a week in Starbucks and don’t think it’s expensive.