DA and ECNL

Fact said:
Again with your bs. Where have I ever said DA IS in anyone's best interest? But I have spoke to a few SD Surf BODs as well as coaches and I know that THEY feel DA is in their kids best interest.
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I said it a while ago, GDA will use SoCal to try to salvage its reputation. For so many top clubs to have jumped ship back to ECNL , I wouldn't be surprised to see the opposite in SoCal. They would need a club like Surf to be "All In" GDA to change the narrative.
 
shales1002 said:
I said it a while ago, GDA will use SoCal to try to salvage its reputation. For so many top clubs to have jumped ship back to ECNL , I wouldn't be surprised to see the opposite in SoCal. They would need a club like Surf to be "All In" GDA to change the narrative.
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Such an easy fix on the girls side. Allow HS soccer, relax sub rules. That would do the trick. The final trick? Single age band.
 
davin said:
Then it would be ECNL under a different name.
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With one difference being they would not have leadership that actively colluded with SoCal member clubs DOCs to protect their monopoly or were not smart enough to see the writing on the wall with the impending start of GDA. Now ECNL is scrambling to add clubs in SoCal. GDA is far from perfect, but if it folds we will be left with that same crew in charge and a bunch of new, lower level clubs. My personnel wish would be for GDA and ECNL to fold and we could go back to an expanded National League (you know, earn your place).
 
Fact said:
Again with your bs. Where have I ever said DA IS in anyone's best interest? But I have spoke to a few SD Surf BODs as well as coaches and I know that THEY feel DA is in their kids best interest.
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That's all I was asking in the first place, lol.
 
outside! said:
With one difference being they would not have leadership that actively colluded with SoCal member clubs DOCs to protect their monopoly or were not smart enough to see the writing on the wall with the impending start of GDA. Now ECNL is scrambling to add clubs in SoCal. GDA is far from perfect, but if it folds we will be left with that same crew in charge and a bunch of new, lower level clubs. My personnel wish would be for GDA and ECNL to fold and we could go back to an expanded National League (you know, earn your place).
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There is no reason to believe that the GDA DOCs would have behaved any differently if the tables had been turned. Before they ever played a GDA game, they pulled their B teams from CSL and SCDSL in an effort to form a new monopoly using DPL. They also had no reservations about placing these B teams in CRL using invitations that their A teams had won. There were so many shameless decisions made in during the GDA powergrab.

I have the same wish as you for both GDA and ECNL in the benefit of a better youth soccer experience for So Cal players. Unfortunately, there is no going back now that both revenue streams are established. US Soccer will not be moving forward in a European promotion relegation model but in a distinctly MLS “protect the franchise” model. The drift toward mediocrity is tolerable. It is the pretension that is aggravating.
 
broshark said:
so my question stands - is DA really in their best interest? Why is that the assumption you're making?

And why are you marking posts dumb? Pretty sure surfertwins knows first hand what's going on over there today and that his/her players would be directly impacted by a move away from either DA or ECNL.
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Again you make bs up like GPS is going with Surf and will have ECNL. I just make yours as dumb because they are dumb and lead to wild speculation. And if you had bothered looking I marked Surfertwins post with a Like because I know he/she had truthful information that is beneficial.
 
outside! said:
With one difference being they would not have leadership that actively colluded with SoCal member clubs DOCs to protect their monopoly or were not smart enough to see the writing on the wall with the impending start of GDA. Now ECNL is scrambling to add clubs in SoCal. GDA is far from perfect, but if it folds we will be left with that same crew in charge and a bunch of new, lower level clubs. My personnel wish would be for GDA and ECNL to fold and we could go back to an expanded National League (you know, earn your place).
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Dummy said:
There is no reason to believe that the GDA DOCs would have behaved any differently if the tables had been turned. Before they ever played a GDA game, they pulled their B teams from CSL and SCDSL in an effort to form a new monopoly using DPL. They also had no reservations about placing these B teams in CRL using invitations that their A teams had won. There were so many shameless decisions made in during the GDA powergrab.
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While I would like to agree with Outside about the ECNL monopoly Surf has in San Diego, Dummy is exactly right about Albion and LAGSD acting no differently by pulling their B teams to create the wannabe DPL and LAGSD even giving their B team the CRL spot earned by their A team. Unfortunately for most clubs this is just a business and they don’t care who they step on to make $.
 
Fact said:
While I would like to agree with Outside about the ECNL monopoly Surf has in San Diego, Dummy is exactly right about Albion and LAGSD acting no differently by pulling their B teams to create the wannabe DPL and LAGSD even giving their B team the CRL spot earned by their A team. Unfortunately for most clubs this is just a business and they don’t care who they step on to make $.
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To be fair, the biggest hypocrites of all are are farther north at Legends and Beach. They had this done to them by So Cal ECNL and then they immediately go all in doing it to others with DPL.
 
Dummy said:
To be fair, the biggest hypocrites of all are are farther north at Legends and Beach. They had this done to them by So Cal ECNL and then they immediately go all in doing it to others with DPL.
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Ok they all are hypocrites.
 
There is a subtle difference. ECNL was a national organization colluding with local clubs. DPL is local clubs colluding with each other.
 
Dummy said:
To be fair, the biggest hypocrites of all are are farther north at Legends and Beach. They had this done to them by So Cal ECNL and then they immediately go all in doing it to others with DPL.
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How is ECNL voting not to add clubs the same as the formation of DPL?
 
Kicker4Life said:
How is ECNL voting not to add clubs the same as the formation of DPL?
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It is not the same. It is just hypocritical.

Beach and Legends had some strong teams that they rightfully wanted playing ECNL level teams, and ECNL kept the league closed on them for whatever competitive advantage the ECNL clubs perceived at the time, like by being able to market your ECNL team that is not as good as a strong Beach or Legends team as better because they are ECNL.

As soon as they are on the inside of the closed GDA group, they pull their less strong teams into a different closed league for whatever competitive advantage they perceived at the time, like by being able to market your DPL team that is not as good as the CSL Premier or SCDSL Flight 1 teams in the leagues they left as better because they are DPL.
 
Dummy said:
It is not the same. It is just hypocritical.

Beach and Legends had some strong teams that they rightfully wanted playing ECNL level teams, and ECNL kept the league closed on them for whatever competitive advantage the ECNL clubs perceived at the time, like by being able to market your ECNL team that is not as good as a strong Beach or Legends team as better because they are ECNL.

As soon as they are on the inside of the closed GDA group, they pull their less strong teams into a different closed league for whatever competitive advantage they perceived at the time, like by being able to market your DPL team that is not as good as the CSL Premier or SCDSL Flight 1 teams in the leagues they left as better because they are DPL.
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Close but speaking as someone who has a kid in club when ECNL was formed that is not at all why Beach and Legends were excluded from ECNL.

Initially they had no track record of success on the national level. All of the initial 8 SoCal Clubs and 4 clubs in Vegas and Arizona had won a national championship at some level in the girls side prior to being admitted to ECNL. Beach and Legends only started winning championships once the ECNL teams no longer competed in USYS events.

Basically they are new money and they got declined when they tried to join the old money country club. Guess what. Due to SCDSL they got to go nuts with teams (CSL restricted teams to 3 max per age group at the time) win some phony national championships and get into the new country club. Now they are doing the same thing and the parents are acting frankly worse than the ECNL parents and their claims of elite are hilarious considering how much more diluted things are now.

Forget the phony leagues and focus on your player it will pay the biggest dividends. Good luck to you and your player.
 
MakeAPlay said:
Close but speaking as someone who has a kid in club when ECNL was formed that is not at all why Beach and Legends were excluded from ECNL.

Initially they had no track record of success on the national level. All of the initial 8 SoCal Clubs and 4 clubs in Vegas and Arizona had won a national championship at some level in the girls side prior to being admitted to ECNL. Beach and Legends only started winning championships once the ECNL teams no longer competed in USYS events.

Basically they are new money and they got declined when they tried to join the old money country club. Guess what. Due to SCDSL they got to go nuts with teams (CSL restricted teams to 3 max per age group at the time) win some phony national championships and get into the new country club. Now they are doing the same thing and the parents are acting frankly worse than the ECNL parents and their claims of elite are hilarious considering how much more diluted things are now.

Forget the phony leagues and focus on your player it will pay the biggest dividends. Good luck to you and your player.
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Thank your for your response. I appreciate the additional history for better context.

You do a better job of expressing the sentiment I was attempting to convey when you write “Now they are doing the same thing and the parents are acting frankly worse.”

I also appreciate your advice and kind words. Good luck to you and your player as well.
 
Fact said:
Again you make bs up like GPS is going with Surf and will have ECNL. I just make yours as dumb because they are dumb and lead to wild speculation. And if you had bothered looking I marked Surfertwins post with a Like because I know he/she had truthful information that is beneficial.
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Wait, are you suggesting that stuff on this board is something other speculative? LOL.

I've said from the beginning that Surf hasn't "lost" ECNL.

Did I read that you don't even have kids who play soccer anymore?
 
broshark said:
So what's the word? I assume Surf did in fact "lose ECNL" as claimed earlier? Did they give it to force? Lulz.
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There's little buzz here and there but nothing more than just that. Nothing with any teeth but next couple of weeks will be telling. With July just around the corner only weeks before start of new season irrespective of league....
 
surfertwins said:
SD Surf will have ECNL for the 2018/2019 season!
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Not according to ECNL as of yesterday 7/3/18


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http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/2018/07/03/the-girls-ecnl-announces-2018-2019-membership/
 
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