D1 college soccer under threat

crush said:
Coo Coo Doctor, I may die in my sleep. I may crash on my way to Vegas for a soccer game tomorrow. I maaaaaaaay!!!! My gosh, you won, can we at least have the kids play soccer. My kid and all the other kids I know what to play and are willing to risk what "may" happen later. Good grief. You seem so active now too. Not having Messy as your other avatar has made you go extra.
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You may die if you try to play frogger on the 405, but what the f**k right? You should do it because you might not.

Of course, whether you die or not has nothing to do with whether you give it to someone who will, which is obviously happening a lot due to all the idiots like you who don’t care about anyone other than yourself.
 
dad4 said:
Kind of depends on the fraction of patients who have long term impacts. So far, we have anecdotes of long haul covid patients, and anecdotes of covid patients returning to play. No real data.

As a result, each person sees what they want to see. People who want more caution point to the long haul anecdotes. People who want less caution point to the return to play anecdotes.
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Are you saying it's irrelevant that those that have died have a lower incidence of myocarditis than expected and you wouldn't have felt any differently if 95% of those that died had evidence of myocarditis? I would have.

Also, if there is no significant risk of exercising after recovering from COVID, won't that show by not having any data as people aren't dying after recovery? Isn't the data, "x number of people recovered and y of these died exercising due to myocarditis"? I think x is pretty big right now. Is there any report on "y"?

I'm not arguing that it makes no difference whether you catch COVID or not. We have seen that it can cause damage to the heart. What I am arguing is that I haven't seen any evidence that after recovery people are falling over dead due to exercising with myocarditis brought on by COVID. Remember, the really scary part of that initial study was that you might have myocarditis from an asymptomatic case of COVID.
 
espola said:
There is a theory floating about that we should let the kids play because they are not likely to die from it. The fact that recovered persons, including those who never exhibited any symptoms, may have long-lasting or permanent heart damage should not be ignored.

I have two cousins who contracted rheumatic fever as children in the '40s. Both recovered, but one of them had severe enough heart damage that he failed the Air Force enlistment physical and was sent home.

--and they didn't have to do an autopsy to find out--
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Even a million years ago when we were young espola, doctors performed physicals. They still do. I doubt anyone on this board will ignore their doctor's advice regarding their child's heart. So, yeah, get your child a physical and get them outside exercising before they end up scared and under their bed all day petrified by all the different ways they "could" die.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Are you saying it's irrelevant that those that have died have a lower incidence of myocarditis than expected and you wouldn't have felt any differently if 95% of those that died had evidence of myocarditis? I would have.

Also, if there is no significant risk of exercising after recovering from COVID, won't that show by not having any data as people aren't dying after recovery? Isn't the data, "x number of people recovered and y of these died exercising due to myocarditis"? I think x is pretty big right now. Is there any report on "y"?

I'm not arguing that it makes no difference whether you catch COVID or not. We have seen that it can cause damage to the heart. What I am arguing is that I haven't seen any evidence that after recovery people are falling over dead due to exercising with myocarditis brought on by COVID. Remember, the really scary part of that initial study was that you might have myocarditis from an asymptomatic case of COVID.
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You may well have followed it more closely than I have. If you have good data on recovered patients (as fraction of total) and patients with long term effects (as fraction of total), pass it along. So far, most of what I have found is N=1, and utterly useless.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Even a million years ago when we were young espola, doctors performed physicals. They still do. I doubt anyone on this board will ignore their doctor's advice regarding their child's heart. So, yeah, get your child a physical and get them outside exercising before they end up scared and under their bed all day petrified by all the different ways they "could" die.
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Coocoo.
 
dad4 said:
You may well have followed it more closely than I have. If you have good data on recovered patients (as fraction of total) and patients with long term effects (as fraction of total), pass it along. So far, most of what I have found is N=1, and utterly useless.
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To be clear, I am not talking about those with obvious long-term effects. They should be under a doctor's care. I am specifically talking about everyone who has recovered and there is nothing obviously wrong. Again, a big fear when that study first came out was that you could be at risk and not even know it because it indicated that having myocarditis was independent of being symptomatic.

No, I haven't seen anything. If we heard anything this soon, that would be bad news. It's too soon to definitively say, this isn't a risk. I suppose there could be a study done now for those that caught in the first wave in the spring. They've had about 6 months to recover.
 
dad4 said:
You may well have followed it more closely than I have. If you have good data on recovered patients (as fraction of total) and patients with long term effects (as fraction of total), pass it along. So far, most of what I have found is N=1, and utterly useless.
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Anecdotal only -- my brother and his wife in Alaska both had covid back in the Spring. She thinks she caught it on a visit to her father in Colorado just before all the shutdowns happened, and he got it from her. The wife is a doctor, so they have daily medical care and checkups as needed. She seems to be fully recovered; he is concerned that he is feeling weaker, with less strength and aerobic capacity -- but it might be just that he is 71.

They are both winter sports people (he volunteers as the Chief Engineer at a local non-profit ski area, and they both run a Samoyed sled dog team just for fun) so they will be finding out soon if they have lost a step.
 
The Ivy League is canceling winter sports for the 2020-21 season, the conference announced Thursday.

The conference is also postponing spring sports until at least the end of February and won't conduct competition for fall sports during the spring semester.

"This is definitely not a decision we want to make, but I know it's the right decision for the Ivy League," Robin Harris, the conference's executive director, told ESPN.

These decisions were made unanimously by the Ivy League Council of Presidents.


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"The Council will continue to closely monitor and evaluate the public health climate and consider changes to policies when warranted in order to return to more normal campus operations, including potential spring intercollegiate athletics competition," the Ivy League said in a release.
 
Even though athletes get a free year whether they play or not the Ivy league is also not changing their policy allowing grad students to play.
 
dad4 said:
No scholarships at ivies, I thought.
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No athletic scholarships, but they maintain positions near the top in many sports by other means.

If you can get in, financial aid support will make sure your family can afford it, and if you have a solid athletic record, sometimes that's enough to get you in.
 
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Recruiting: Extending the NCAA dead period through April would be 'bad on everybody'

The Class of 2021 could go an entire calendar year without having college coaches on campus or being allowed to take official visits.
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“CBS Sports’ Dennis Dodd is reporting that the NCAA dead period, which has been in place since March because of the coronavirus pandemic, will be extended through April 15, 2021. Dodd said the NCAA Council is expected to approve the move at its meeting Nov. 18.”

Can someone explain why Div 1 is hamstringing their own efforts on recruiting? This is their own decision, not thrust upon them by some higher power. I‘m not buying that it has anything to do with some sort of social responsibility surrounding the pandemic. I’ll guess the decision revolves around the money sports (football and basketball), but I seriously cannot figure out why.
 
SBFDad said:
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Recruiting: Extending the NCAA dead period through April would be 'bad on everybody'

The Class of 2021 could go an entire calendar year without having college coaches on campus or being allowed to take official visits.
www.tcpalm.com

“CBS Sports’ Dennis Dodd is reporting that the NCAA dead period, which has been in place since March because of the coronavirus pandemic, will be extended through April 15, 2021. Dodd said the NCAA Council is expected to approve the move at its meeting Nov. 18.”

Can someone explain why Div 1 is hamstringing their own efforts on recruiting? This is their own decision, not thrust upon them by some higher power. I‘m not buying that it has anything to do with some sort of social responsibility surrounding the pandemic. I’ll guess the decision revolves around the money sports (football and basketball), but I seriously cannot figure out why.
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i think it’s a leveling. The P5 have such an inherent advantage in general and it would be even greater if recruiting were permitted given the shock that athletic department budgets are experiencing. It would be so much harder for the smaller schools (and even big schools) to budget for trips and other recruiting activities when the schedules remain so uncertain across sports so overall expenses, revenues and even viability of a program within a department are hard to predict.
 
SBFDad said:
www.tcpalm.com

Recruiting: Extending the NCAA dead period through April would be 'bad on everybody'

The Class of 2021 could go an entire calendar year without having college coaches on campus or being allowed to take official visits.
www.tcpalm.com

“CBS Sports’ Dennis Dodd is reporting that the NCAA dead period, which has been in place since March because of the coronavirus pandemic, will be extended through April 15, 2021. Dodd said the NCAA Council is expected to approve the move at its meeting Nov. 18.”

Can someone explain why Div 1 is hamstringing their own efforts on recruiting? This is their own decision, not thrust upon them by some higher power. I‘m not buying that it has anything to do with some sort of social responsibility surrounding the pandemic. I’ll guess the decision revolves around the money sports (football and basketball), but I seriously cannot figure out why.
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You don't think the money sports could show some social responsibility?
 
SBFDad said:
www.tcpalm.com

Recruiting: Extending the NCAA dead period through April would be 'bad on everybody'

The Class of 2021 could go an entire calendar year without having college coaches on campus or being allowed to take official visits.
www.tcpalm.com

“CBS Sports’ Dennis Dodd is reporting that the NCAA dead period, which has been in place since March because of the coronavirus pandemic, will be extended through April 15, 2021. Dodd said the NCAA Council is expected to approve the move at its meeting Nov. 18.”

Can someone explain why Div 1 is hamstringing their own efforts on recruiting? This is their own decision, not thrust upon them by some higher power. I‘m not buying that it has anything to do with some sort of social responsibility surrounding the pandemic. I’ll guess the decision revolves around the money sports (football and basketball), but I seriously cannot figure out why.
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Travel budget cuts......my hunch
 
SBFDad said:
www.tcpalm.com

Recruiting: Extending the NCAA dead period through April would be 'bad on everybody'

The Class of 2021 could go an entire calendar year without having college coaches on campus or being allowed to take official visits.
www.tcpalm.com

“CBS Sports’ Dennis Dodd is reporting that the NCAA dead period, which has been in place since March because of the coronavirus pandemic, will be extended through April 15, 2021. Dodd said the NCAA Council is expected to approve the move at its meeting Nov. 18.”

Can someone explain why Div 1 is hamstringing their own efforts on recruiting? This is their own decision, not thrust upon them by some higher power. I‘m not buying that it has anything to do with some sort of social responsibility surrounding the pandemic. I’ll guess the decision revolves around the money sports (football and basketball), but I seriously cannot figure out why.
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I have to believe it has something to do with uncertainty with funding. I suppose it’s better than offering players scholarship money they eventually won’t be able to deliver.
 
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