D1 college soccer under threat

Are you saying it's irrelevant that those that have died have a lower incidence of myocarditis than expected and you wouldn't have felt any differently if 95% of those that died had evidence of myocarditis? I would have.

Also, if there is no significant risk of exercising after recovering from COVID, won't that show by not having any data as people aren't dying after recovery? Isn't the data, "x number of people recovered and y of these died exercising due to myocarditis"? I think x is pretty big right now. Is there any report on "y"?

I'm not arguing that it makes no difference whether you catch COVID or not. We have seen that it can cause damage to the heart. What I am arguing is that I haven't seen any evidence that after recovery people are falling over dead due to exercising with myocarditis brought on by COVID. Remember, the really scary part of that initial study was that you might have myocarditis from an asymptomatic case of COVID.
You may well have followed it more closely than I have. If you have good data on recovered patients (as fraction of total) and patients with long term effects (as fraction of total), pass it along. So far, most of what I have found is N=1, and utterly useless.
 
Even a million years ago when we were young espola, doctors performed physicals. They still do. I doubt anyone on this board will ignore their doctor's advice regarding their child's heart. So, yeah, get your child a physical and get them outside exercising before they end up scared and under their bed all day petrified by all the different ways they "could" die.

Coocoo.
 
You may well have followed it more closely than I have. If you have good data on recovered patients (as fraction of total) and patients with long term effects (as fraction of total), pass it along. So far, most of what I have found is N=1, and utterly useless.
To be clear, I am not talking about those with obvious long-term effects. They should be under a doctor's care. I am specifically talking about everyone who has recovered and there is nothing obviously wrong. Again, a big fear when that study first came out was that you could be at risk and not even know it because it indicated that having myocarditis was independent of being symptomatic.

No, I haven't seen anything. If we heard anything this soon, that would be bad news. It's too soon to definitively say, this isn't a risk. I suppose there could be a study done now for those that caught in the first wave in the spring. They've had about 6 months to recover.
 
You may well have followed it more closely than I have. If you have good data on recovered patients (as fraction of total) and patients with long term effects (as fraction of total), pass it along. So far, most of what I have found is N=1, and utterly useless.

Anecdotal only -- my brother and his wife in Alaska both had covid back in the Spring. She thinks she caught it on a visit to her father in Colorado just before all the shutdowns happened, and he got it from her. The wife is a doctor, so they have daily medical care and checkups as needed. She seems to be fully recovered; he is concerned that he is feeling weaker, with less strength and aerobic capacity -- but it might be just that he is 71.

They are both winter sports people (he volunteers as the Chief Engineer at a local non-profit ski area, and they both run a Samoyed sled dog team just for fun) so they will be finding out soon if they have lost a step.
 
The Ivy League is canceling winter sports for the 2020-21 season, the conference announced Thursday.

The conference is also postponing spring sports until at least the end of February and won't conduct competition for fall sports during the spring semester.

"This is definitely not a decision we want to make, but I know it's the right decision for the Ivy League," Robin Harris, the conference's executive director, told ESPN.

These decisions were made unanimously by the Ivy League Council of Presidents.


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"The Council will continue to closely monitor and evaluate the public health climate and consider changes to policies when warranted in order to return to more normal campus operations, including potential spring intercollegiate athletics competition," the Ivy League said in a release.
 
Even though athletes get a free year whether they play or not the Ivy league is also not changing their policy allowing grad students to play.
 
No scholarships at ivies, I thought.

No athletic scholarships, but they maintain positions near the top in many sports by other means.

If you can get in, financial aid support will make sure your family can afford it, and if you have a solid athletic record, sometimes that's enough to get you in.
 

“CBS Sports’ Dennis Dodd is reporting that the NCAA dead period, which has been in place since March because of the coronavirus pandemic, will be extended through April 15, 2021. Dodd said the NCAA Council is expected to approve the move at its meeting Nov. 18.”

Can someone explain why Div 1 is hamstringing their own efforts on recruiting? This is their own decision, not thrust upon them by some higher power. I‘m not buying that it has anything to do with some sort of social responsibility surrounding the pandemic. I’ll guess the decision revolves around the money sports (football and basketball), but I seriously cannot figure out why.
 

“CBS Sports’ Dennis Dodd is reporting that the NCAA dead period, which has been in place since March because of the coronavirus pandemic, will be extended through April 15, 2021. Dodd said the NCAA Council is expected to approve the move at its meeting Nov. 18.”

Can someone explain why Div 1 is hamstringing their own efforts on recruiting? This is their own decision, not thrust upon them by some higher power. I‘m not buying that it has anything to do with some sort of social responsibility surrounding the pandemic. I’ll guess the decision revolves around the money sports (football and basketball), but I seriously cannot figure out why.

i think it’s a leveling. The P5 have such an inherent advantage in general and it would be even greater if recruiting were permitted given the shock that athletic department budgets are experiencing. It would be so much harder for the smaller schools (and even big schools) to budget for trips and other recruiting activities when the schedules remain so uncertain across sports so overall expenses, revenues and even viability of a program within a department are hard to predict.
 

“CBS Sports’ Dennis Dodd is reporting that the NCAA dead period, which has been in place since March because of the coronavirus pandemic, will be extended through April 15, 2021. Dodd said the NCAA Council is expected to approve the move at its meeting Nov. 18.”

Can someone explain why Div 1 is hamstringing their own efforts on recruiting? This is their own decision, not thrust upon them by some higher power. I‘m not buying that it has anything to do with some sort of social responsibility surrounding the pandemic. I’ll guess the decision revolves around the money sports (football and basketball), but I seriously cannot figure out why.

You don't think the money sports could show some social responsibility?
 

“CBS Sports’ Dennis Dodd is reporting that the NCAA dead period, which has been in place since March because of the coronavirus pandemic, will be extended through April 15, 2021. Dodd said the NCAA Council is expected to approve the move at its meeting Nov. 18.”

Can someone explain why Div 1 is hamstringing their own efforts on recruiting? This is their own decision, not thrust upon them by some higher power. I‘m not buying that it has anything to do with some sort of social responsibility surrounding the pandemic. I’ll guess the decision revolves around the money sports (football and basketball), but I seriously cannot figure out why.
Travel budget cuts......my hunch
 

“CBS Sports’ Dennis Dodd is reporting that the NCAA dead period, which has been in place since March because of the coronavirus pandemic, will be extended through April 15, 2021. Dodd said the NCAA Council is expected to approve the move at its meeting Nov. 18.”

Can someone explain why Div 1 is hamstringing their own efforts on recruiting? This is their own decision, not thrust upon them by some higher power. I‘m not buying that it has anything to do with some sort of social responsibility surrounding the pandemic. I’ll guess the decision revolves around the money sports (football and basketball), but I seriously cannot figure out why.
I have to believe it has something to do with uncertainty with funding. I suppose it’s better than offering players scholarship money they eventually won’t be able to deliver.
 
$$$ everything revolves around finances. What do athletic departments cut first, 2nd, 3rd:. Staff, travel, scholarship?

Downsizing will likely be ongoing for many years, recovering from the financial losses and budget constraints due to COVID-19 will take many years, plus the added cost of the new requirements. Reduced revenue from the money sports, fewer enrollments, reductions in State and federal contributions are already happening. Relief bills @ the federal level hopefully will help if a new administration can get them passed.

The pie is only so big, some will still get a slice but there slice is likely to be smaller and harder to obtain so don't count on it for your athlete.

Have a plan for your student athletes to move their education forward regardless of what happens in D1. Would they still attend or be happy at the University of sports is not going on or if they no longer can offer scholarships at the level they did previously?
 

“CBS Sports’ Dennis Dodd is reporting that the NCAA dead period, which has been in place since March because of the coronavirus pandemic, will be extended through April 15, 2021. Dodd said the NCAA Council is expected to approve the move at its meeting Nov. 18.”

Can someone explain why Div 1 is hamstringing their own efforts on recruiting? This is their own decision, not thrust upon them by some higher power. I‘m not buying that it has anything to do with some sort of social responsibility surrounding the pandemic. I’ll guess the decision revolves around the money sports (football and basketball), but I
seriously cannot figure out why.

A little off topic, congratulations to my bgdd on signing her NLI Wednesday to play D1 soccer! Scholarship in tact! Congratulations to all the other girls who also signed. Way to stay strong, work hard, ignore rumors, and move on to the next level!
 
I think it has more to do with employee safety. What college wants their coaches out on the road right now?
I saw a lot of D2 and D3 at the Reach 11 so far last two days. Those D2 Presidents are so hard on their coaches and treat them so harsh. I guess I must be such a terrible parent for allowing my goat to play in AZ yesterday, today and tomorrow. Bad dad!!!
 
Glad you’re out there Crush and family! Keep social distance, no team dinners and everything should be ok.

if coaches are there, guess I can only hope there were a few out a few weekends ago to see my kid rock it on Saturday and score a nice goal on Sunday.
 
Glad you’re out there Crush and family! Keep social distance, no team dinners and everything should be ok.

if coaches are there, guess I can only hope there were a few out a few weekends ago to see my kid rock it on Saturday and score a nice goal on Sunday.
I can't wait to make that 5 and half hr drive tmrw after our 7:30am ((6:30am for socal kids)). I'm done with soccer until next year Gies bock. Stay safe out there. Hopefully OC can be Orange and can get HS Soccer going next year and just focus on free soccer. I cant see kids from California allowed to leave the state anymore. HS Soccer seams like the next best thing.
 
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