College Entrance Scam includes former Yale Women's Soccer Coach

Soccer43 said:
And it seems no one really cares and nothing is being done to hold people accountable or to change policy or protocol. I feel for the top gymnasts that had been interested in competing with UCLA but didn’t get a spot on the roster those years.
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I love how this article addressed the grossness of this "side door". It just looks bad.
 
I'm not sure if this is related to the entrance scam or not - the AD at UNC-Greensboro was fired because he had a gambling habit ($20,000 to $30,000 losses) that included betting on UNCG teams. Shoved into the news article in an oh-by-the-way fashion is the firing of the just hired men's soccer coach, before his team has played a single NCAA game.

Meanwhile, men’s soccer coach EJ O’Keeffe, a Greensboro native and university alumnus, resigned this week, just six months after he was hired, amid an ongoing NCAA investigation. Athletics director Kim Record declined to comment on that investigation.

https://www.greensboro.com/sports/c...cle_6eab650a-af13-11e9-9f1a-2b39036f6c9c.html​
 
espola said:
Several coaches and administrators have lost their jobs so far, others (including parents) are facing legal charges, so I wouldn't say nothing has been done. What I fear, however, is that this only scratches the surface and that there are perhaps 10 times as many cases of abuse more or less identical to those that have been exposed that are sitting like quietly ticking time bombs. The old days of coaches quietly being let go because they helped one of their athletes write a paper so he could pass a class and stay academically eligible seem like small potatoes now.
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I was talking about anything happening at UCLA- aside from the Men’s soccer coach getting fired nothing else has happened to any other coach, athletic director or any investigation or policy changes. It seems as if it is being ignored to see if it will just all drift away
 
This article is really looking at broader issues of what'd going on at elite universities, then just the admissions scandal.
That said, the subject gets touched on, and is a very different take then I've read before....


https://palladiummag.com/2019/08/05/the-real-problem-at-yale-is-not-free-speech/
The Real Problem At Yale Is Not Free Speech

hen I saw him, he was outside Payne Whitney. Nothing about the tall, gray façade suggests it is the university gym, unless there is a new trend of contractors housing athletics departments in Gothic cathedrals. You wouldn’t guess by looking at the frosted glass panes and arches that the third floor hosts the world’s largest suspended indoor swimming pool. It is a work of art, like the rest of Yale’s buildings.

Marcus was smoking by a bench, his face jaundiced from three packs that day. This is atypical for Yale students—most abstain from smoking. There was no reason for him to smoke so much, just as there was no reason for me to ride around campus on a blue Razor scooter. But Yale students tend to have such quirks. His suit-jacket was dusty and smelled of sweat—he didn’t mind lifting weights in a dress shirt and trousers if that meant more time to read Nietzsche alone at the bar.

When I hugged him, he felt skeletal. I asked if he had eaten today. He assured me that his earthly requirements were limited—no need for anything other than alcohol and cigarettes. “I can buy you a sandwich.” He refused. I insisted. A nice one. Bacon and egg. Or steak and cheese. I was testy now. “GHeav is right there. I’ll be back in six minutes.”

He turned his face towards me, warm with friendliness—and with one sentence, he changed our relationship forever.

“You know I’m rich, right?”

“What?”

“You know I have a trust fund, right? I can buy my own sandwich if I wanted it.”

This is the moment when after three years of friendship, Marcus sat down and told me his life story. His cottages in Norway. Sneaking into the family study. Learning about the cost of hardwoods and hearing his boorish, critical father sulk in 5-star hotel rooms.

Marcus did not act this way out of anxiety, grief, stress, or because he had nobody to tell him his habits will kill him. He lived as a starving writer not out of necessity, but for the aesthetic. Out of some desire to imitate the Bohemian 19th century writers. Out of artistry. Style. Intentional choice.

In terms of income at Yale, I was in the bottom 2%. And the people to whom I extended my generosity did not need it, whatsoever. This is mildly entertaining, but not the point. This is not a story about me, or about Marcus, or about our amusing adventures at Yale.

This is a story about an institution and an elite that have lost themselves.

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The top universities can’t keep out of national news. Just in the past few months, there have been several high-profile stories about Yale and Harvard. Harvard is being sued for discrimination against Asians. Yale is being sued for not admitting women into its fraternities.

These scandals have been framed as a consequence of the culture wars. Left versus right. Political correctness versus free speech. Empathy and inclusion versus economic realities. Students fighting for social and racial justice against morally bankrupt faculty and administrators. But after attending Yale for some of the larger scandals in recent years, these dichotomies ring hollow.
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tenacious said:
This article is really looking at broader issues of what'd going on at elite universities, then just the admissions scandal.
That said, the subject gets touched on, and is a very different take then I've read before....
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Complex. And based on what I’ve seen/learning, accurate.

Reminds me of a story about a group of people w/so much myopic pride in their intellectual thought/power that they built a tower to be equivalent to god. That tower crumbled.....The people, and their single language....were disbursed.

There is not a day that goes by that I don’t pray for my kiddo to hold onto the lessons/values she learned while under our roof. She’s going into her 2nd year and has gone/going thru a $hit storm of physical injury (2 concussions) and leadership maylay (FBI scandal), all while being intellectually challenged more than ever. She tells me there are a lot of kids who are so above the charts, naturally brilliant that it makes her feel well, sorta dumb (in comparison).

And yet, in her brief 3week stint of her being home last month, I specifically asked if she still likes and enjoys her life/experience at Yale?....her response was along the lines of “without a doubt dad, I love it”.

I’ve forwarded the article to my kiddo & pending her thoughts/feedback.

Thanks for sharing ;)
 
Zerodenero said:
Complex. And based on what I’ve seen/learning, accurate.

Reminds me of a story about a group of people w/so much myopic pride in their intellectual thought/power that they built a tower to be equivalent to god. That tower crumbled.....The people, and their single language....were disbursed.

There is not a day that goes by that I don’t pray for my kiddo to hold onto the lessons/values she learned while under our roof. She’s going into her 2nd year and has gone/going thru a $hit storm of physical injury (2 concussions) and leadership maylay (FBI scandal), all while being intellectually challenged more than ever. She tells me there are a lot of kids who are so above the charts, naturally brilliant that it makes her feel well, sorta dumb (in comparison).

And yet, in her brief 3week stint of her being home last month, I specifically asked if she still likes and enjoys her life/experience at Yale?....her response was along the lines of “without a doubt dad, I love it”.

I’ve forwarded the article to my kiddo & pending her thoughts/feedback.

Thanks for sharing ;)
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Cheers mate, and best of luck to your daughter. I'm sure she's going to do great!
 
Zerodenero said:
Complex. And based on what I’ve seen/learning, accurate.

Reminds me of a story about a group of people w/so much myopic pride in their intellectual thought/power that they built a tower to be equivalent to god. That tower crumbled.....The people, and their single language....were disbursed.

There is not a day that goes by that I don’t pray for my kiddo to hold onto the lessons/values she learned while under our roof. She’s going into her 2nd year and has gone/going thru a $hit storm of physical injury (2 concussions) and leadership maylay (FBI scandal), all while being intellectually challenged more than ever. She tells me there are a lot of kids who are so above the charts, naturally brilliant that it makes her feel well, sorta dumb (in comparison).

And yet, in her brief 3week stint of her being home last month, I specifically asked if she still likes and enjoys her life/experience at Yale?....her response was along the lines of “without a doubt dad, I love it”.

I’ve forwarded the article to my kiddo & pending her thoughts/feedback.

Thanks for sharing ;)
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It's hard to pierce the author's bombast (e.g. "[h]e smoked, not out of addiction, but as if a Davidoff was the natural pairing for a stroll through the cherry blossoms, just as you would eat a scone with English breakfast tea"), but I don't think you understand the point of the article. She essentially says the rich ruling class needs to get its s**t together and stop pretending they can't afford a sandwich. The rich rulers of Yale need to stop letting bourgie administrators get so uppity, and their rich millennial offspring need to stop being so embarrassed about their wealth and power. Instead of abdicating their responsibilities by engaging in altruistic and idealistic behavior, these rich millennials need to get back to the serious business of ruling over others - responsibly of course. In short, the rich elites need to stop letting students and power hungry administrators dictate the narrative. In fact, rabble rousing students should be expelled forthwith.

I guess you can take the girl out of Russia, but you can't take Russia out of the girl.
 
End of the Line said:
It's hard to pierce the author's bombast (e.g. "[h]e smoked, not out of addiction, but as if a Davidoff was the natural pairing for a stroll through the cherry blossoms, just as you would eat a scone with English breakfast tea"), but I don't think you understand the point of the article. She essentially says the rich ruling class needs to get its s**t together and stop pretending they can't afford a sandwich. The rich rulers of Yale need to stop letting bourgie administrators get so uppity, and their rich millennial offspring need to stop being so embarrassed about their wealth and power. Instead of abdicating their responsibilities by engaging in altruistic and idealistic behavior, these rich millennials need to get back to the serious business of ruling over others - responsibly of course. In short, the rich elites need to stop letting students and power hungry administrators dictate the narrative. In fact, rabble rousing students should be expelled forthwith.

I guess you can take the girl out of Russia, but you can't take Russia out of the girl.
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Correction compadre.....I fully understand the point of the article. My comment/response is above/beyond his point and your breakdown.

But hey, what do I know....... I'm just a partially edjumacated, laymen pop who attended the world-renowned, University of Hard Knocks.

:)
 
End of the Line said:
It's hard to pierce the author's bombast (e.g. "[h]e smoked, not out of addiction, but as if a Davidoff was the natural pairing for a stroll through the cherry blossoms, just as you would eat a scone with English breakfast tea"), but I don't think you understand the point of the article. She essentially says the rich ruling class needs to get its s**t together and stop pretending they can't afford a sandwich. The rich rulers of Yale need to stop letting bourgie administrators get so uppity, and their rich millennial offspring need to stop being so embarrassed about their wealth and power. Instead of abdicating their responsibilities by engaging in altruistic and idealistic behavior, these rich millennials need to get back to the serious business of ruling over others - responsibly of course. In short, the rich elites need to stop letting students and power hungry administrators dictate the narrative. In fact, rabble rousing students should be expelled forthwith.

I guess you can take the girl out of Russia, but you can't take Russia out of the girl.
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Fair comments. Although not sure about the taking a girl out of Russia line?

Guess my thinking is I don't know that she was saying elites "need to" do anything, so much as simply noting that throughout history free loaders tend to piss one's neighbors off. And rather then running around pretending to be middle class to avoid feelings of responsibility or focusing on meaningless pet causes that are really about making themselves feel good; the elites would be better served by simply behaving benevolently to their fellow citizens. I.e. organizing marches at Yale isn't going to mean shite to the middle-class and poor people if the unwashed masses end up sending a bunch of socialists to Washington because they begin to believe the system has been corrupted.

Review the rest of the posts in this thread on the college cheating scandal- for an example of how not to do this...
 
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tenacious said:
Fair comments. Although not sure about the taking a girl out of Russia line?

Guess my thinking is I don't know that she was saying elites "need to" do anything, so much as simply noting that throughout history free loaders tend to piss one's neighbors off. And rather then running around pretending to be middle class to avoid feelings of responsibility or focusing on meaningless pet causes that are really about making themselves feel good; the elites would be better served by simply behaving benevolently to their fellow citizens. I.e. organizing marches at Yale isn't going to mean shite to the middle-class and poor people if they end up sending a bunch of socialists to Washington because they begin to believe the system has been corrupted.

Review the rest of the posts in this thread on the college cheating scandal- for an example of how not to do this...
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The author is Russian. Arguing that rich elites should get back to being more authoritarian (benevolently of course) is a typically Russian point of view. Those who are trying to equate the nonsense in her article with the college cheating scandal and bible parables are trying way too hard to find connections that don't exist. The reality is that some rich people use their money to cheat the system. Some poor cheat the system by parting the rich people from some of their money. And then everyone misses the point by blaming "the system" instead of the perps, because that's the only way people get to feel sorry for themselves over wrongdoing that has nothing to do with them.

The posts in this thread do not shed light on anything really. For the most part, they blame the victims of the fraud (the universities) and try to find ways to take it personally with some fake harm to themselves, such as claiming that they're so offended that their tax dollars went to a school that didn't prevent fraud before it happened. Of course, they ignore that they don't want to pay more tax payer dollars to hire staff to ensure that UCLA is never defrauded by anyone ever for anything. They also argue that they've been held down by a rigged "system" and their lives ruined by some "institutionalized" fraud, whether it was not getting into UCLA because someone got an athletic admission they didn't deserve, or maybe that is just one example of how they've been screwed in some amorphous way that they can't pin down, but surely there must be some explanation for their failure in life that doesn't involve personal accountability. Then they spout conspiracy theories - mostly about how UCLA is involved in a cover up - because UCLA has the good sense (or gall if you're one of the conspiracy theorists) to not discuss student and personnel matters in press releases.
 
End of the Line said:
The author is Russian. Arguing that rich elites should get back to being more authoritarian (benevolently of course) is a typically Russian point of view. Those who are trying to equate the nonsense in her article with the college cheating scandal and bible parables are trying way too hard to find connections that don't exist. The reality is that some rich people use their money to cheat the system. Some poor cheat the system by parting the rich people from some of their money. And then everyone misses the point by blaming "the system" instead of the perps, because that's the only way people get to feel sorry for themselves over wrongdoing that has nothing to do with them.

The posts in this thread do not shed light on anything really. For the most part, they blame the victims of the fraud (the universities) and try to find ways to take it personally with some fake harm to themselves, such as claiming that they're so offended that their tax dollars went to a school that didn't prevent fraud before it happened. Of course, they ignore that they don't want to pay more tax payer dollars to hire staff to ensure that UCLA is never defrauded by anyone ever for anything. They also argue that they've been held down by a rigged "system" and their lives ruined by some "institutionalized" fraud, whether it was not getting into UCLA because someone got an athletic admission they didn't deserve, or maybe that is just one example of how they've been screwed in some amorphous way that they can't pin down, but surely there must be some explanation for their failure in life that doesn't involve personal accountability. Then they spout conspiracy theories - mostly about how UCLA is involved in a cover up - because UCLA has the good sense (or gall if you're one of the conspiracy theorists) to not discuss student and personnel matters in press releases.
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You are so right. The public should turn a blind eye to public corruption when individuals cannot identify any direct harm. Why should anyone care? I mean seriously, who cares if a public employee or official skims money from the public coffers. It's not like anyone can directly trace their tax dollars to the scheme. The same should go for our public educational institutions. Everyone knows that these institutions don't represent a fair opportunity for economic mobility by virtue of merit. This faux concern expressed about academic and institutional integrity is cringe-worthy. Who cares? UCLA has allowed this behavior to go on for years without consequence and no one raised an eyebrow. Why else would a school have a rowing team other than to admit unqualified students? At this point, we should know that the system is not rigged, it's just the system. Save your outrage people!
 
End of the Line said:
The author is Russian. Arguing that rich elites should get back to being more authoritarian (benevolently of course) is a typically Russian point of view. Those who are trying to equate the nonsense in her article with the college cheating scandal and bible parables are trying way too hard to find connections that don't exist. The reality is that some rich people use their money to cheat the system. Some poor cheat the system by parting the rich people from some of their money. And then everyone misses the point by blaming "the system" instead of the perps, because that's the only way people get to feel sorry for themselves over wrongdoing that has nothing to do with them.

The posts in this thread do not shed light on anything really. For the most part, they blame the victims of the fraud (the universities) and try to find ways to take it personally with some fake harm to themselves, such as claiming that they're so offended that their tax dollars went to a school that didn't prevent fraud before it happened. Of course, they ignore that they don't want to pay more tax payer dollars to hire staff to ensure that UCLA is never defrauded by anyone ever for anything. They also argue that they've been held down by a rigged "system" and their lives ruined by some "institutionalized" fraud, whether it was not getting into UCLA because someone got an athletic admission they didn't deserve, or maybe that is just one example of how they've been screwed in some amorphous way that they can't pin down, but surely there must be some explanation for their failure in life that doesn't involve personal accountability. Then they spout conspiracy theories - mostly about how UCLA is involved in a cover up - because UCLA has the good sense (or gall if you're one of the conspiracy theorists) to not discuss student and personnel matters in press releases.
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Yes, how savvy of UCLA not to discuss how the coach put a player made the women's roster who never played soccer, and whose parents have been charged with bribing her way into the University by the federal government. lol, although it might be more accurate to frame it like "UCLA has the good sense to not discuss" federal investigations into their athletics under the advise of council. But hey, the team might win a national title so I can sure see why they want to turn the blind eye. When does the case go to court again?

As for the rest; Russia, conspiracy theories, etc. I'll leave it up to individual readers to decide for themselves.
My two cents, time to disband the useless NCAA and demand a shake up in the UCLA athletics department.
 
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Yes, how savvy of UCLA not to discuss how the coach put a player made the women's roster who never played soccer, and whose parents have been charged with bribing her way into the University by the federal government. lol, although it might be more accurate to frame it like "UCLA has the good sense to not discuss" federal investigations into their athletics under the advise of council. But hey, the team might win a national title so I can sure see why they want to turn the blind eye. When does the case go to court again?

As for the rest; Russia, conspiracy theories, etc. I'll leave it up to individual readers to decide for themselves.
My two cents, time to disband the useless NCAA and demand a shake up in the UCLA athletics department.
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I know it hurts that the emails you were hoping would support your conspiracy theory don't exist, and there isn't any evidence UCLA knew anything or that Cromwell took money or did anything other than a favor for a colleague, so let me help you out. Since there isn't any evidence to support anything you're saying, I recommend you next argue that the conspiracy was so conspiratorial, so deep state-ish, so profoundly evil, that all the conspirators knew not to commit anything to writing or, worse, UCLA burned all the computers, phones and servers and is now hiding behind an army of lawyers. In other words, the mere fact that there is no evidence is actually the best evidence of all.

Or maybe those who deserved to get fired and criminally prosecuted did. Maybe, just maybe, UCLA responded perfectly to the fraud, including not giving a s**t what 2-3 nobodies at an online youth soccer forum think. You should be like the dude who's boycotting UCLA over this and sending his daughter to pristine Georgetown, a college funded by the slave trade, run by an organization that still protects child molesters and rapists, and had 12x as many kids admitted as part of the same scandal. Go Hoyas!
 
oh canada said:
As I called for when this broke, Swann is now out as AD at USC. 'Bout time. Timing is odd with the Trojans 2-0 on the football field? Could signal more bad headlines to come soon.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...nation-means-trojans-hire-real-ad/2269594001/
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From the article --

There’s no doubt USC’s last three athletics directors — Mike Garrett, Pat Haden and Swann — were all successful as alumni, NFL players and in their post-football careers. But none of them would have been hired to lead an athletic department anywhere but their alma maters, and it showed in the impulsive, naïve and disastrous ways they ran USC football into the ground.​

As I told my wife - he either knew what was going on, which would make him complicit, or he didn't, which would make him incompetent.
 
espola said:
From the article --

There’s no doubt USC’s last three athletics directors — Mike Garrett, Pat Haden and Swann — were all successful as alumni, NFL players and in their post-football careers. But none of them would have been hired to lead an athletic department anywhere but their alma maters, and it showed in the impulsive, naïve and disastrous ways they ran USC football into the ground.​

As I told my wife - he either knew what was going on, which would make him complicit, or he didn't, which would make him incompetent.
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Just like how Coach Cromwell is either complicit, or incompetent
 
espola said:
From the article --

There’s no doubt USC’s last three athletics directors — Mike Garrett, Pat Haden and Swann — were all successful as alumni, NFL players and in their post-football careers. But none of them would have been hired to lead an athletic department anywhere but their alma maters, and it showed in the impulsive, naïve and disastrous ways they ran USC football into the ground.​

As I told my wife - he either knew what was going on, which would make him complicit, or he didn't, which would make him incompetent.
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I think it was actually Sam Rothstein that said it... not you.
 
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