Coach working in God mode?
- Thread starter Gee
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Vegas for soccer coaching?
Or Vegas on his own?
Your 07 team entered :
May - Legends
June - nike
July - Anaheim surf
Aug - West Coast
Sept - Irvine Cup
Sept , Oct , Nov - SCDSL League
Dec - Orange County
Jan - Anaheim Cup
Feb - State Cup
Playing in 8 tournaments and league for an 07 flight 2 team does not seem to indicate a lazy coach , especially when you consider the coach determines how many tournaments the team will enter and does not get paid anything extra for playing more tournaments. Ironically , some might make the case this coach entered too many tournaments . Regardless , on the surface it seems this coach had the best interest of the team at heart to spend that amount of time with them. As far as his coaching style and communication skills go , I have no personal knowledge .
Many coaches spend a lot of time with a fair amount of stress coaching youth teams because they love soccer and helping kids have fun and improve and at the same time do it to supplement their income or is their main income. To criticize and name a coach on this or any forum which may unfairly damage his or her reputation and livelihood should only be done when the allegations are serious and clear . It should not be based on rumors or personnel vendettas such as for example playing time , coaching tactics , personality conflicts , etc.
I am not naive and know their are coaches who I would not want my kids playing for. And if I found myself in this situation I would try to work it out with the coach and/or leave the team at the first opportunity. Many folks have pointed out on this forum that the best way to avoid this situation is to observe some practices and watch a few games before joining a new team . You can learn a lot about a coach watching from the sidelines ( coaching style , tactics , subbing patterns , are there 6 subs on the bench that a few don't seem to be playing little if any ) . If you really believe getting the right coach is important to you and your kid you will invest the time necessary to pick a new team and a good coach . ( Right or wrong just my opinion )
Full disclosure : I have never heard of this coach or know anything about the team other then is what is posted on youth soccer rankings and what has been posted on this string.
soccer_soccer
BRONZE
Looking over your posts under "control freak" and your current, it seems like you like to bash every coach, every club you are at...and even under ODP 2007 you seem to bash the three girls that were chosen I am assuming at Beach. Maybe you should re-analyze truly why you are upset ... maybe you are assuming your daughter is better than she really is... most parents are delusional you know.
There’s no doubt we played a lot of tournaments and as I mentioned 45 games in total and he was many times over booked with tournaments and coaching other girl teams but the players should not suffer and experience lazy and tired behavior from a coach. This lazy tired behavior is not motivating and as a result your players will play in the way you are received. I don’t care what the excuse is and the fact that Beach FC over booked this guy too bad don’t take on more coaching work than you can handle because you need the money. Many parents and kids were not happy seeing the Coach late for a tournament on his cell phone ignoring the kids and asking parents to play as coach and he was on his way. Many other issues that many kids and parents had with him throughout the year that the director and president are aware of because parents called in on him. I would rather had my kid play less with a energetic coach!
soccer_soccer
BRONZE
SoccerFrenzy
SILVER ELITE
Soccer is a small community. Don't burn bridges for your daughter. Not a good look at all
El Clasico
GOLD
You sure did do a lot of research and spent a fair amount of time defending the system for someone with noting vested. Are you affiliated with the club or coaching someplace else and offended that someone would call a coach an a**hole? Personally, I am enjoying the back and forth. There are some good coaches out there, some really great coaches out there and a whole lot of them that are real pieces of sh*t. Pretending otherwise suggests you have an agenda.
Chalklines
GOLD
I agree 100% with this.
My disclosure is based on fact .
For this coach I only addressed the issue of ( he is a lazy coach) . The facts seem to indicate that was likely not true.
I did not address his communication skills or other comments because I do not know the coach .
The research is all based on youth soccer rankings and is readily available for any team . Actually calling it research is a stretch .
I mentioned I am not naive and there are coaches who would not be acceptable to me.
The so called defense of coaches was just my general opinion and was not directed at this coach since I don't know him.
I tend to dislike calling out coaches or anybody by name from an anonymous source based on generalities that may or may not be true.
Whether these particular allegations are true or not or are serious enough to be mentioned by name I don't know .
But there have been some anonymous posters on this forum over the years who sometimes throw around allegations pretty freely.
And yes , many times like you I enjoy the back and forth but today I just felt like giving my opinion.
My opinion of what people should actually do , who are really concerned with getting a coach they will like , was based on many other posts on this forum and makes sense to me.
The defense rests.
soccerislife
SILVER
see that is part of the problem. people get bashed for calling out bad behavior. so he's had 2 bad experience. he should be allowed to voice them on a forum so that other don't make the same mistakes. coaches should be called out for bad stuff with out be questioned about his own intentions. this is how things get out of control. this is why us soccer is so bad. parent are so afraid of calling out coaches. coaches should not be going to strip clubs while traveling with there team bottom line they should also remember who is paying them.
Sometimes we see our kids get hurt, and we want to stop the pain and hurt those that harmed our kids. Sometimes a little distance allows a better understanding of why everything went down the way it did. A year ago I would have sworn that my kids old DOC was the devil incarnate; I understand a little more know why things unfolded like they did and my kid is the better for going through it. Most coaches and DOCs care about the kids. Most.
None of them understand goalies, but that’s a topic for another forum. Good luck to you and your kid. I hope you find the right fit.
None of them understand goalies, but that’s a topic for another forum. Good luck to you and your kid. I hope you find the right fit.
zebrafish
SILVER ELITE
Don't know specifics of situation. However, I can comment that many coaches at various clubs may be coaching 2, 3, 4+ teams and have other responsibilities (covering other coaches' games, etc.). They may miss or be late to games. They have lives, spouses, other jobs, kids, too.
Sounds like your team entered a lot of tournaments. This doesn't seem like a "lazy" coach from this metric.
Some coaches are "high energy/intensity" some are "low energy/intensity". I've seen many coaches-- and I understand this-- who feel that they can't make a bunch of unmotivated players be motivated. There are also many parents who throw a fit when their kid isn't a superstar on the field and blame the coach when the real problem is that their kid just isn't that into soccer (skill, motivation, athleticism, etc). I've seen teams where I think half the players don't want to be playing soccer. Their parents just haven't figured it out yet.
Do your homework. Understand the coach, their philosophy, and how that meshes with your kid before you sign up with a team.
Even if you find the "right" coach, you may end up with a team with multiple "dud" players for a whole host of reasons. It has happened to my kid.
I've seen many more toxic parents than I've seen toxic coaches.
Maybe you've had two bad coaches, but.... leaving two teams on bad terms, going on a message board and blasting a coach and swearing at strangers who question you doesn't seem like optimal parent behavior. Understand that a toxic parent can ruin the environment for your kid, the team, the coach and the other parents. There are good and dysfunctional ways to deal with problems.
Mic drop.
SoccerFan4Life
PREMIER
Gee, 45 games 8 tournaments is not being lazy. It's being very committed to getting the kids to play.
Being late is part of having several teams and maybe he has a regular job or coaches at a high school.
You calling out his name is "Horrible behavior". If this coach is abusing kids then you are doing the rest of the soccer community a favor.
To me it seems like you are just bitter bitter and willing to ruin this coach's reputation.
As you can see from this soccer community we mostly all see that you are the one that is on the wrong side of this post.
Being late is part of having several teams and maybe he has a regular job or coaches at a high school.
You calling out his name is "Horrible behavior". If this coach is abusing kids then you are doing the rest of the soccer community a favor.
To me it seems like you are just bitter bitter and willing to ruin this coach's reputation.
As you can see from this soccer community we mostly all see that you are the one that is on the wrong side of this post.
RedCard
GOLD
Too late...........................
Lurker
BRONZE
The only person you are hurting with this post is your daughter as you have no idea who is reading this and what decision down the road is made because of it. You are probably right about everything and it is wrong but welcome to the club. What you described sounded exactly like what we went through at another club and we left. We could sit around and complain or we could leave. The latter made more sense.
OCsoccerdad7777
SILVER ELITE
I actually like the calling out of bad coaches and teams. I personally wouldn't due to the fact that burning bridges is dangerous.
But it is nice to see that coaches and clubs can actually be called out. There are too many that have poor coaching/behavior and get away with it because people are afraid to burn bridges. Good coaches will always get 2nd chances. If this can maybe keep some clubs or coaches a little bit honest, I am all for it.
The posts will get dissected like this post was and if isn't true, then we will get a good idea on who is wrong or not. Will only either show as a bad person for saying those things or will help educate those that maybe didn't know those things.
I actually give Gee credit for posting that. Not agreeing with Gee but at least something was attempted to shed light on a specific coach or club.
But beware like others have said. Don't set up your DD or DS to fail down the line because of your actions.
But it is nice to see that coaches and clubs can actually be called out. There are too many that have poor coaching/behavior and get away with it because people are afraid to burn bridges. Good coaches will always get 2nd chances. If this can maybe keep some clubs or coaches a little bit honest, I am all for it.
The posts will get dissected like this post was and if isn't true, then we will get a good idea on who is wrong or not. Will only either show as a bad person for saying those things or will help educate those that maybe didn't know those things.
I actually give Gee credit for posting that. Not agreeing with Gee but at least something was attempted to shed light on a specific coach or club.
But beware like others have said. Don't set up your DD or DS to fail down the line because of your actions.
Don’t worry, it wouldn’t last long. Just check the track record!
Gee,
May I suggest Volleyball for your kid. You can’t seem to make an educated decision on soccer teams, and you can’t seem to understand how soccer works.
These guys typically have 2-4 teams. Overlap happens and the Shit flows downhill. The coach isn’t missing the A team’s game for your game.
Understand your position in the hierarchy, where your team sits within the age group of the club, and where your player fits within the club.
May I suggest Volleyball for your kid. You can’t seem to make an educated decision on soccer teams, and you can’t seem to understand how soccer works.
These guys typically have 2-4 teams. Overlap happens and the Shit flows downhill. The coach isn’t missing the A team’s game for your game.
Understand your position in the hierarchy, where your team sits within the age group of the club, and where your player fits within the club.