Coach Movement and 2018 Assignments

timbuck said:
It happens quite a bit. And clubs hold back wages owed. Coaches sue clubs. And clubs sue coaches.
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Yes contracts go til Dec.

Plenty of litigation on this issue and whether they can take their contact list. But in most cases coaches are not employees but independent contractors so the Labor Board cannot help them and they don't have enough money to defend themselves. They cave and get stiffed right before Xmas. Fact-Albion has done this.
 
avh said:
Well, by my recollection, Rene has been DOC at CSC since 2010 or 2011. But I'll check that for you when I get home. I want to make sure I get the facts right for you. If you want to give me names and dates of all these others you are implying from back 4 or 5 years ago, I'll try to go check those facts for you also.


Okay, I'll stick with the facts.

Fact: Toumi bailed on his two DA teams in the middle of the season.

Question: Do you know when DA coaches contracts are up? If not, do us a favor and stick to the facts.
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Rene started 2012 season. Before him was Toumi, Mike Nmoude, the guy that started Liverpool, and I believe there may have been one other in 5-6 years.

To say he bailed on his teams mid season, here we go again with parents defining seasons. And if you are working on a project at work and an opportunity that you think will be better comes along, are you really going to say no thank you? Get a clue it is a business and all people are entitled to do what they feel is best for their family. Unless he promised someone that he was going to stay until a certain date, he did nothing wrong.

I talked to a boys DA coach and his contract ends at the start of the winter break.
 
futboldad1 said:
Having previously lived in SD for 15 years with two soccer playing daughters I tend to agree with this. Sure, I was a "Surf-guy" but, without wanting to be at all rude, I don't see why anyone would put him on a pedestal.
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I don't put anyone on a pedestal. I just think it is an interesting move with DA just starting and so much upheaval. I know a lot of people contemplating next DA and ECNL seasons based on what is happening.
 
JoeBieber said:
And now, for your Rumor Recap (c):

Toumi has left Albion (Monkey)
Surf has picked up Toumi (Fact)
Surf has not picked up Toumi (chargerfan)
Scheri has left Albion (Soccer Cat)
Toumi and Scheri have left Albion (OBkicks)
Toumi left and Scheri was fired (Fact)
Heard some "really scary" stuff about Scheri (Soccer Cat)
Surf coaches are leaving and will be replaced by other Surf coaches (chargerfan)
There is "much more interesting news" than Tuomi (Striker17)
Everyone fixated on the "wrong story" about Albion (Striker17)
Announcements are coming soon about the "interesting news" (Striker17)
Coaching shakeup at Surf (chargerfan)
Toumi is not a story - there is a bigger story (Striker17)
Toumi and Scheri are "handwringing" over "silliness" (Striker17)
Toumi is beyond reproach, as the story has been "explained thoroughly" (Striker17)
Shannon to Surf, Spooner to Albion (soccer)
There are 'shenanigans" going on at Surf (Fact)
The "shenanigans" will not be going on much longer (chargerfan)
PD from Surf "slipped into old habits" (Monkey)
Shannon is not going to Surf (Monkey)
Shannon is not going to Surf (TCD)
The best coaches are at small clubs (Surfref)
Sharks and Surf are merging (seesnake)
Surf will take over Presidio (Striker17)
Surf is starting their own league (Fact)
espola is out of synch with reality (Striker17)
Express coaches are going to GPS (TCD)
There is no pathway. Surf recruits too much. Surf doesn't do things in line with US Soccer. More anti-Surf stuff (Fact)
Teams won't join Surf's new league (Fact)
Guy Newman has left Express (Fact)
Don't know about any Surf coaches leaving (Striker17)
Louis Hunt will coach the Surf 04 DA team next year (Striker17)
Hunt will coach Surf 05DA, Tonks 04DA, PD to boys (surfertwins)
Hunt will coach the Surf 04 DA team next year (Striker17)
Newman was fired from Express. Yamasaki is now with OC Surf (Soccer)
Toumi is now with GPS (sealions)
Spooner is not going to Albion. PD is moving out of state (TCD)
Gabe went to Rebels (Striker17)
Gabe will be back at Surf next year (Fact)
Toumi was let go from CSC because of money woes (Fact)
US Soccer should investigate "two DA director spots open" (Striker17)
DA contracts run through the end of the season (avh)
CSC did not fire Albion due to money woes (avh)
Toumi underperformed at the clubs he's been at (avh)
Carlsbad teams perform well and low coaching turnover (Striker17)
DA contracts terminate in the middle of the DA season (Fact)
People are getting riled up about Albion and Toumi and shouldn't (Striker17)
Kris Dolinsky is moving to SD Surf (TCD)

You're welcome.
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If you have nothing better to do go for it, but don't misquote me which you did numerous times. The first one is that I never said that Toumi is going to Surf. I said "I wonder if he is going to Surf." Get a clue.
 
Fact said:
Yes contracts go til Dec.

Plenty of litigation on this issue and whether they can take their contact list. But in most cases coaches are not employees but independent contractors so the Labor Board cannot help them and they don't have enough money to defend themselves. They cave and get stiffed right before Xmas. Fact-Albion has done this.
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This. Is. Ridiculous.

You are a DA club and you hire a coach to coach a DA team. The season runs from August to June. Why on Earth would you sign a contract with that coach that runs half the season?
 
JoeBieber said:
This. Is. Ridiculous.

You are a DA club and you hire a coach to coach a DA team. The season runs from August to June. Why on Earth would you sign a contract with that coach that runs half the season?
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You asked and I answered the question. Why don't you demand that your club attach your coaches' contract to your contact and that they stay until you say they season is over. LOL
 
Fact said:
You asked and I answered the question. Why don't you demand that your club attach your coaches' contract to your contact and that they stay until you say they season is over. LOL
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You are a moron. The season is over when the last regular season game is played. Or playoffs. Not halfway through. Why are you continuing to press this ludicrous point?
 
I see TCD upgraded membership and pulled his/her post that Pauley's brother is leaving Aneheim Surf and coming to SD Surf. Tell me, is he going to require privates from his players too and recruit DA players from other clubs during the season as well?
 
TCD said:
I don't know where my post went stating that Kris Dolinsky is leaving Anaheim Surf/coming to SD Surf. TBH, I've had some weird, really weird, things happen to my account in the past 48 hours. Either that or I'm hitting the DayQuil too hard. Anyone else have this cold? It is a biatch! (and, yes, I'm trying to lighten the mood bc this thread has gone down a mean rabbit hole.)
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Not mean - just curious to hear which club is signing their DA coaches to half-season contracts.
 
Fact said:
That would be a step down for Toumi. I knew he would never last a full season at Albion. He probably went in there being made a million promises but instead Albion tried to make him the poster child for DPL. He had too much respect in the community to allow Albion to use him this way. I wonder if Surf picked him up? Rumor has it that there is a lot happening there especially on the girls side that would be a perfect fit for Toumi.
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Toumi is now the Director of Coaching for GPS as stated on their FB page!
 
TCD said:
I don't know where my post went stating that Kris Dolinsky is leaving Anaheim Surf/coming to SD Surf. TBH, I've had some weird, really weird, things happen to my account in the past 48 hours. Either that or I'm hitting the DayQuil too hard. Anyone else have this cold? It is a biatch! (and, yes, I'm trying to lighten the mood bc this thread has gone down a mean rabbit hole.)
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Careful! Last time some of Big Blue’s internal business got on the forum it “crashed” and all back-ups were somehow corrupted.......allegedly of course!
 
Fact said:
Rene started 2012 season. Before him was Toumi, Mike Nmoude, the guy that started Liverpool, and I believe there may have been one other in 5-6 years.
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I checked back on my notes from when I went through this with "San Diego Joe" in 2015 (SDJ insisted that I do a lot of research). My notes show Rene joined CSC around 2010. I know he was at CSC in 2011, when my youngest moved from rec to competitive. And I seem to recall him there in 2010. That's a pretty good run as DOC with no changes.

As for Michael Nmounde, his bio on the Riptide page (http://riptidesoccer.org/Page.asp?n=87462&org=RIPTIDESOCCER, if you want to check the facts) shows he was CSC ADOC 2003-2004, CSC DOC 2004-2006, CSC Boys Director 2006-2008, and CSC DOC 2008-2010. Again, a pretty good run there. And no mention of Liverpool/Spirit/Freeflow anywhere. You may want to check you facts on that.

Fact said:
To say he bailed on his teams mid season, here we go again with parents defining seasons.
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When you say "parents defining seasons", if you mean going to the USDA website and looking up how USDA defines the season, then I'm guilty. For your reference "The season begins in September and concludes with Championships in July." (http://www.ussoccerda.com/faq, if you want to check the facts). So December would make that ... well ... mid season.

I also find it interesting that in an earlier post you were pointing out how bad CSC was because they "fired" a coach at the end of his contract and left a team without a coach for National Cup ... yet it's perfectly okay for a coach to walk out on his teams mid season. Kind of a double standard, wouldn't you say? In your words, "get a clue"!
 
outside! said:
I have watched the '01 team and they play some nice soccer. Drummond and Higham are good coaches and are doing well with their teams. I have no experience with Duggan other than talking over a beer and have not watched his team, so no I cannot offer an informed opinion.
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Yes, but remember, they are not spreading their talent thin like Surf, Slammers or Blues. They have DA only, no ECNL. All '01 and '02 talent in one basket. Regardless, CD is stellar and I would have my DD play for her any time, but there is a culture aspect to deal with and it comes from the top. We have two power clubs with attitudes in North SD. What are parents to do? Not sure. Focus on the end goal at this point and get them committed, but also let the kids be happy playing. Many quit at this age, for various reasons. Every time I think we're done with change, more happens. The youngers seemed screwed at this point. Nothing about talent. It's all about winning. Parents, clubs and coaches are all equally to blame.
 
avh said:
I checked back on my notes from when I went through this with "San Diego Joe" in 2015 (SDJ insisted that I do a lot of research). My notes show Rene joined CSC around 2010. I know he was at CSC in 2011, when my youngest moved from rec to competitive. And I seem to recall him there in 2010. That's a pretty good run as DOC with no changes.

As for Michael Nmounde, his bio on the Riptide page (http://riptidesoccer.org/Page.asp?n=87462&org=RIPTIDESOCCER, if you want to check the facts) shows he was CSC ADOC 2003-2004, CSC DOC 2004-2006, CSC Boys Director 2006-2008, and CSC DOC 2008-2010. Again, a pretty good run there. And no mention of Liverpool/Spirit/Freeflow anywhere. You may want to check you facts on that.


When you say "parents defining seasons", if you mean going to the USDA website and looking up how USDA defines the season, then I'm guilty. For your reference "The season begins in September and concludes with Championships in July." (http://www.ussoccerda.com/faq, if you want to check the facts). So December would make that ... well ... mid season.

I also find it interesting that in an earlier post you were pointing out how bad CSC was because they "fired" a coach at the end of his contract and left a team without a coach for National Cup ... yet it's perfectly okay for a coach to walk out on his teams mid season. Kind of a double standard, wouldn't you say? In your words, "get a clue"!
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All I can say is WOW! You keep notes, so sad. Michael left CSC end of November 2011 as DOC. Rene did not come in until 2012 season. This is based on discussions with both of them and my notes hahhahhaha...What about Howard/Howie (Liverpool guy that passed away) and Toumi plus who was before Michael? Since you have so much time on your hands please pull the CSC minutes and let us know.

And no double standard. Parent contracts are with the club not the coach so when a club lets a coach go, it is their responsibility to find a replacement for the team.

I am not going to continue to argue with you about CSC. They have a lot of coaches I like and I was hoping that they would make a comeback in a big way to support the families living out that way. Now I am rooting for Bayern GPS. The families out that way deserve a local option to play at a higher level.
 
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