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Who here also thinks RandomSoccerFan is Mark and Mark is RandomSoccerFan? I have read the FAQ section of soccer ranking app and I don’t come away with all the details that Random has shared here. It’s time to come clean Random. Ransom’s avatar is also a soccer ball…hmmm.
 
Jamisfoes said:
Who here also thinks RandomSoccerFan is Mark and Mark is RandomSoccerFan? I have read the FAQ section of soccer ranking app and I don’t come away with all the details that Random has shared here. It’s time to come clean Random. Ransom’s avatar is also a soccer ball…hmmm.
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As some people on this board know me, and also know Mark, they also know that you're not particularly savvy. However, you certainly are ridiculous.
 
"Mark's bidding" in supporting a helpful app that is intended for a similar space that this board covers? You continue to let people know very clearly that you're a dumbass conspiracy nut. I'm not sure why you want to keep reinforcing that belief.
 
RandomSoccerFan said:
"Mark's bidding" in supporting a helpful app that is intended for a similar space that this board covers? You continue to let people know very clearly that you're a dumbass conspiracy nut. I'm not sure why you want to keep reinforcing that belief.
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Pointing out a problem with the app makes me a dumb ass? Maybe you have something to hide? You don’t get to answer for Mark if you don’t get to see the source code.
 
Jamisfoes said:
Pointing out a problem with the app makes me a dumb ass?
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Nope.

Jamisfoes said:
We need to start questioning who is behind this app and if we can trust it.
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Posting this does.

Jamisfoes said:
Maybe you have something to hide?
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Posting this does.

Jamisfoes said:
You don’t get to answer for Mark if you don’t get to see the source code.
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Nobody, including me, is answering for Mark. Me, myself, and I, initially tried to help you understand what you're struggling with. But I have since conclusively realized you're not capable of rational thought or discourse.
 
RandomSoccerFan said:
That seems like one of the primary use cases of the app.
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You mean besides the handful of parents that have their phones out discussing the upcoming game's likely score? My buddy got me hooked, and then we got a few more parents hooked. Provides us with good pre-game recreation for us while we are waiting for the last game to end and those parents to move their chairs.
 
RandomSoccerFan said:
Nope.



Posting this does.



Posting this does.



Nobody, including me, is answering for Mark. Me, myself, and I, initially tried to help you understand what you're struggling with. But I have since conclusively realized you're not capable of rational thought or discourse.
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If you are not able to see the source code so you are in fact guessing yourself. I don’t need you to repeat things I already know. The fact remains the program has trouble with one data iteration and according to you Mark has no idea how the problem came about. Your words not mine. This doesn’t give me a lot of confidence. But it’s your words. Mark would probably disagree.
I am looking at the problem itself. If the program can get something so obvious wrong, how can someone has any confidence in other ranking that aren’t so obvious. And your claim that a program gets x percent of predictions correct. Unless you are Mark, how didn’t you get that type of detail? If you are Mark, I suggest you go fix the problem in the code.
 
Jamisfoes said:
If you are not able to see the source code so you are in fact guessing yourself. I don’t need you to repeat things I already know. The fact remains the program has trouble with one data iteration and according to you Mark has no idea how the problem came about. Your words not mine. This doesn’t give me a lot of confidence. But it’s your words. Mark would probably disagree.
I am looking at the problem itself. If the program can get something so obvious wrong, how can someone has any confidence in other ranking that aren’t so obvious. And your claim that a program gets x percent of predictions correct. Unless you are Mark, how didn’t you get that type of detail? If you are Mark, I suggest you go fix the problem in the code.
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You are a walking advertisement for the ignore button. Are you this slow and disagreeable in real life, or just on internet forums? But in case some neurons upstairs decide to fire, all of my knowledge is both from using YSR for years, and now the app, from its birth. And dozens, if not hundreds, of email conversations back and forth to Mark and his team about things I was seeing and suggestions for improving the app. Quite a few of them have made it in; he's incredibly responsive. A number of current and past posters on this board also have a similar relationship with him and his team.

And yes - as discussed in the first post about in this thread, there seems to be a glitch where when data sources are added manually, sometimes the rating of the combined team seems strange for a day or two. I've noticed it. I've talked to Mark about it. He's investigated it quite a few times. It isn't reproducible. And as also discussed since that first post, it resolves itself shortly, just as it did in this case.

If you want the details on the predictivity, ask support! The queries run periodically and automatically so the team can make sure that the predictions continue to track as expected. If you lost confidence in the app as a whole because of the bug above, so be it. I think you're a fool, but being foolish is certainly anyone's right.
 
RandomSoccerFan said:
You are a walking advertisement for the ignore button. Are you this slow and disagreeable in real life, or just on internet forums? But in case some neurons upstairs decide to fire, all of my knowledge is both from using YSR for years, and now the app, from its birth. And dozens, if not hundreds, of email conversations back and forth to Mark and his team about things I was seeing and suggestions for improving the app. Quite a few of them have made it in; he's incredibly responsive. A number of current and past posters on this board also have a similar relationship with him and his team.

And yes - as discussed in the first post about in this thread, there seems to be a glitch where when data sources are added manually, sometimes the rating of the combined team seems strange for a day or two. I've noticed it. I've talked to Mark about it. He's investigated it quite a few times. It isn't reproducible. And as also discussed since that first post, it resolves itself shortly, just as it did in this case.

If you want the details on the predictivity, ask support! The queries run periodically and automatically so the team can make sure that the predictions continue to track as expected. If you lost confidence in the app as a whole because of the bug above, so be it. I think you're a fool, but being foolish is certainly anyone's right.
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People like you are who my company fires. No desire to improve and hope things resolve by themselves. If you care about a product you put out, you would want to fix any glitch.
 
Jamisfoes said:
People like you are who my company fires. No desire to improve and hope things resolve by themselves. If you care about a product you put out, you would want to fix any glitch.
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People like you who can't understand why their language and behavior turns everyone off aren't hired in the first place by my company.
 
Jamisfoes said:
People like you are who my company fires. No desire to improve and hope things resolve by themselves. If you care about a product you put out, you would want to fix any glitch.
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This is a very nieve statement from someone who clearly hasn't worked on complex systems.
 
Jamisfoes said:
It’s so complex that Random and Focomoso can’t explain the glitch. It’s so complex that no one can reproduce it.
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Yep. That's what happens in complex systems. In this case, it's not the algorithm itself that's particularly complex, it's its recursive nature and the sheer amount of data running through it.

Inputs are mapped to outputs. Simple. But then those outputs are fed back into the system as inputs. This creates a "state space" that grows exponentially and is far too vast for any individual to get their head around. This can give rise to anomalies that are dubed "unreproducable" because small changes in the initial inputs can have such large consequences in the eventual outputs that even in a fully deterministic system (which I suspect this is) an analyst may not be able to create the inputs that lead to a specific anomalous behavior.

Note that this is what I do in my day job. (Someone's gotta pay for all that soccer.)
 
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