Club Cost - Refunds

I feel for the clubs, I really do. I have no idea how some will survive. But-we are all feeling the crunch, (or a good percentage anyway,) and at some point the clubs have to realize that.
They can't penalize us for quitting, can they? Especially if they aren't providing much in the way of service?
 
Zoom is not sustainable. Kids hate it

Completely agree here - Zoom fatigue is real, especially for youngers. Only being able to see your friends on a screen is giving kids more stress, not less. Even masking up at practice and making it just skills-based would be preferable.

There's going to be a whole generation of kids who will be amazing at juggling and can't keep their team shape at all. :p
 
Completely agree here - Zoom fatigue is real, especially for youngers. Only being able to see your friends on a screen is giving kids more stress, not less. Even masking up at practice and making it just skills-based would be preferable.

There's going to be a whole generation of kids who will be amazing at juggling and can't keep their team shape at all. :p
This x a million. So many still don't know the game and this is just making that worse.
 
Great story and spot on btw. :)

Yeah we’ve been doing some small group camps for our players; field space will dictate if we can do any open camps for more kids this summer like we usually do.

FCE, small club in CSL (a few silver teams, some silver elites and gold) so limited options in terms of team offerings.

Thanks for the bold shout; just seems like the right thing to do but I know everyone’s situation is different.

I hope as much as anyone that we have a fall season so let’s stay positive. At this point I’d pay out of my own pocket to be back on the field then! :cool:
Hang in there. Go for the local brand and when this is all over, those who were patient and took care of their customers and treated them like family will still be in business. I'm impatient and live my life like, "live for today because tomorrow is not promised." However, you cant run a successful business like that imo. That's why I could never be the sole owner.
 
Completely agree here - Zoom fatigue is real, especially for youngers. Only being able to see your friends on a screen is giving kids more stress, not less. Even masking up at practice and making it just skills-based would be preferable.

There's going to be a whole generation of kids who will be amazing at juggling and can't keep their team shape at all. :p
Already was happening before the virus. We had too many games anyways so all the girls get a little breather. If you have youngers, this will look way better for you next year. My kid is sweet 16 and it's almost all over and the way things look, she might have played her last game of club already. Zoom is lame and practicing by yourself is lame. Games or cancel, that's my vote with my pocket book of credit cards....lol!!! I will deal with it whatever they choose. Just remember everyone, WE ALL Remember. 10% today if we play soccer in the fall. 5% fat chance we have Surf Cup Labor Day. After Labor Day is cancelled, we will just have two more months before all this is over.
 
I mentioned this too on another thread, it flipping sucks!

$350 for reg fees, then week later July dues pull out, we have sunk in over $500 in a 10 day period for foot skills in a 10x10 box. How they can charge the same amount for monthly dues when we're getting easily less than half of what we got prior to covid blows my mind. What other service would we ever be ok with this type of return??
Is your school giving you refunds on your taxes or tuition (private)? I bet not. The clubs, much like the schools, are doing the maximum that they are allowed. They are not the ones holding back. Call Comrade Newsom
 
Is your school giving you refunds on your taxes or tuition (private)? I bet not. The clubs, much like the schools, are doing the maximum that they are allowed. They are not the ones holding back. Call Comrade Newsom
Who said he was my comrade? Unless I'm confused doesn't that word lend itself to meaning I stand with him? Because I can assure you, I do not. And unless I was typing while asleep, I don't remember saying I agreed with anything he does.
And I can still be salty about dues.
 
The Clubs know the parents are in fear of the kid being blacklisted, demoted, etc... if a parent speaks up. The clubs rule by the sword!

It's easy. If you don't want to support your club or want them to be there when you return don't pay. Clubs are no different than any other business. No-one is getting rich in the youth soccer game from this pandemic. Don't want to pay? lose the service. Very simple. I'm guessing the club would happily not take your money, which you've probably already not paid for anyway.
 
I will say one thing I’ve noticed during this extended break; kids seem to have grown a lot and the niggling injuries some had previously have cleared up. Good example of the benefits of rest, sleep and recovery.
Stupid question....if you don't charge any fees now and you didn't get the loan, how you paying your coaches?
 
Stupid question....if you don't charge any fees now and you didn't get the loan, how you paying your coaches?
Coaches do not get paid in June/July during the off-season. I believe this is fairly consistent among clubs outside of those who perhaps play through the summer and maybe pay coaches for 12 months rather than 10. Are you connected to a club that pays coaches year-round?
 
Coaches do not get paid in June/July during the off-season. I believe this is fairly consistent among clubs outside of those who perhaps play through the summer and maybe pay coaches for 12 months rather than 10. Are you connected to a club that pays coaches year-round?
Every club I know is different. Some pay coaches 10 month, some 12 month and some don't (teams paying coaches fee directly to coaches).
Another question...if your club can't start in August, will you have to let go of your coaches?
 
Coaches do not get paid in June/July during the off-season. I believe this is fairly consistent among clubs outside of those who perhaps play through the summer and maybe pay coaches for 12 months rather than 10. Are you connected to a club that pays coaches year-round?

So you're not really giving the parents a break, this is your normal time of year to not collect?...and you're also offering private training in LA county to balance the check book which is let's be honest....not allowed in LA County.
 
So you're not really giving the parents a break, this is your normal time of year to not collect?...and you're also offering private training in LA county to balance the check book which is let's be honest....not allowed in LA County.
;) Sunil Illuminati; another one hiding behind a pseudonym.

If you bothered to read my reply to the OP, I made it clear that we had pushed back payment dues from May to August and that they will be pushed back again or canceled completely IF we don’t have a fall season.

Given your expert knowledge, you will no doubt be aware that camps ARE allowed in LA County. We are complying with all camp guidelines.

What is your club doing? We all have different setups and agendas so it’s interesting to hear from others.
 
Every club I know is different. Some pay coaches 10 month, some 12 month and some don't (teams paying coaches fee directly to coaches).
Another question...if your club can't start in August, will you have to let go of your coaches?
You didn’t answer my question.

To answer yours; no, none of our small coaching staff will be let go come August if we don’t have a fall season.
 
Is your school giving you refunds on your taxes or tuition (private)? I bet not. The clubs, much like the schools, are doing the maximum that they are allowed. They are not the ones holding back. Call Comrade Newsom
I think this comment is spot on. The clubs want to get back just as much as the kids do. But the control is out of their hands. Like schools these are unchartered territories.

For now we are able to spend time at the beach doing lots of surfing. Looking forward to when we are in full practice and playing mode. And fully expect both kids will be out of shape but very excited to play soccer. I think the pure joy of playing will be back after the reprieve from the grind of practices, tournaments and yelling coaches. And...we have had time as a family come up with some really good one liners to shut him down should he be heard from behind his mask. :)
 
I think this comment is spot on. The clubs want to get back just as much as the kids do. But the control is out of their hands. Like schools these are unchartered territories.

For now we are able to spend time at the beach doing lots of surfing. Looking forward to when we are in full practice and playing mode. And fully expect both kids will be out of shape but very excited to play soccer. I think the pure joy of playing will be back after the reprieve from the grind of practices, tournaments and yelling coaches. And...we have had time as a family come up with some really good one liners to shut him down should he be heard from behind his mask. :)
Surfing is excellent way to stay in shape. Have kids run on the beach a little too and then when soccer comes back, they wont be burned out and feel like they gave up their summer to play soccer in the heat. Time for a cool summer of fun. Two days a week summer camp is splendid. i remember when I went to camp it was for a week. Now, camp is two days a week for 1 hour :)
 
I’ve said before that every club is different in terms of their numbers, financial outgoings, the way they structure their operations etc. However, nobody is immune from doing what is right and fair as far as their setup and finances will allow.

We don’t know if there is going to be a fall season and with that in mind, we haven’t asked parents for any club fees. August 1st is our first payment date (originally pushed back from May) and if we get closer to that time and things don’t look any better, that date will again either be pushed back or canceled completely. I don’t expect a pat on the back for saying this because it seems right and fair; our parents will NOT be charged if we are not having a fall season.

For the record, our club has received no government aid or loans.

How we act as individuals and organizations during this time of uncertainty (and financial struggle for many people) really does speak volumes. If $’s are prioritized over trying to do what’s right and fair for families at your club, my personal feeling is that people won’t forget it. Then again, given the nature of club soccer and the way $’s are invariably the driving force for everything, maybe parents will just accept it. Who knows.

My DD plays for Scorpions ECNL here in MA. The club gave a $600 credit towards tuition based upon the missed spring season, lowered the deposit this year down to $250 (from I think $700 last year), didn’t raise fees for 2020-2021 and said they won’t take any more $ until the fall season is confirmed. We’ve been back to practice for three weeks now.

Other clubs around here gave little to no refunds, raised prices from last year and are taking thousands of dollars from families in tuition over the summer with built in “no refund” clauses.

Those families are furious and many have switched clubs already. One woman I know had several kids at one of those clubs and had been there for 10 years and pulled all of them because of it.
 
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