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dad4 said:
Enjoy your game of “I know the special term”. It’s still juvenile.
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What special term is that? Take Permit? Infrastructure? Mercury?

Just because you continue to post stuff without knowledge or background isn't my fault.

DYOR... of wait. That might through you off. That means Do Your Own Reasearch.

So when you posted about Mercury levels getting into our seafood as a byproduct of butning coal and I asked you to orovide how much of it is getting in... is that a term that threw you off? Or was it that I asked for you to provide the amount and not a percentage? Or was it the bromine that stumped you?

I think I bruised your ego. You're beging to sound a lot like Wez......
 
dad4 said:
Just because we are removing dams doesn't mean it's smart.
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Well, we're both in the same boat, your not getting hydro and I'm not getting nuclear. The problem with the Dem's plans, like GND, is they don't substantially address global warming, they're more social engineering than anything else. All about the "cause", but not the "effect".

I agree with you on more reservoirs, but I favor those that collect snowmelt and precipitation, and don't dam major rivers or viable streams and creeks. More like what we have in San Diego where seasonal streams are dammed. Think of all the water that runs off into the ocean during major SoCal storms. These wouldn't provide hydroelectric, but most hydro opportunities are already taken, or are too remote to be practical.
 
espola said:
voiceofsandiego.org

Oceanside’s New Plan to Rebuild Beaches Before It’s Too Late

After punting an all-groin plan that dismayed their neighbors to the south, Oceanside is holding an international competition between beach designers.
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The full story. Some beaches are actually growing.

www.sandiegouniontribune.com

San Diego County’s shrinking beaches

San Diego County’s beaches need costly, sustained replenishment efforts to remain the wide, sandy tourist attractions they have been for so long, a new regional study shows.Shorelines in sout…
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watfly said:
Well, we're both in the same boat, your not getting hydro and I'm not getting nuclear. The problem with the Dem's plans, like GND, is they don't substantially address global warming, they're more social engineering than anything else. All about the "cause", but not the "effect".

I agree with you on more reservoirs, but I favor those that collect snowmelt and precipitation, and don't dam major rivers or viable streams and creeks. More like what we have in San Diego where seasonal streams are dammed. Think of all the water that runs off into the ocean during major SoCal storms. These wouldn't provide hydroelectric, but most hydro opportunities are already taken, or are too remote to be practical.
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How do you collect snowmelt and precipitation without damming a major river or stream?

One reasonable definition of "major stream" is "stream with a lot of water in it".
 
dad4 said:
How do you collect snowmelt and precipitation without damming a major river or stream?

One reasonable definition of "major stream" is "stream with a lot of water in it".
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It's how all our reservoirs are in San Diego County. They're basically on seasonal creeks, or on creeks that are barely a trickle, or just some standing water, most of the year. They only flow during rain events Our reservoirs are basically retention basins and have no hydroelectric capability.
 
watfly said:
It's how all our reservoirs are in San Diego County. They're basically on seasonal creeks, or on creeks that are barely a trickle, or just some standing water, most of the year. They only flow during rain events Our reservoirs are basically retention basins and have no hydroelectric capability.
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Got it. I’m not thinking of arroyos in the flatlands.

I’m talking about hills, and much larger reservoirs. Example: There is a small lake at the base of the Hetch Hetchy power generation tunnel. Pump water uphill into Hetch Hetchy as a way to store energy. Let it flow back down when you want electricity. It would use the pair of lakes as a giant battery.
 
dad4 said:
Got it. I’m not thinking of arroyos in the flatlands.

I’m talking about hills, and much larger reservoirs. Example: There is a small lake at the base of the Hetch Hetchy power generation tunnel. Pump water uphill into Hetch Hetchy as a way to store energy. Let it flow back down when you want electricity. It would use the pair of lakes as a giant battery.
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Sort of, basically dry creek beds that act as rain gutters to fill reservoirs, although they start at a higher elevation and usually have multiple reservoirs on the same drainage as the elevation decreases. We still lose a ton of runoff to the ocean. Typically, they have significantly less environmental impact as compared to damming a freestone river...unless your a big fan of scrub brush. Our reservoirs have the added benefit of providing water to wildlife and illegals on their trek in places that would normally be bone dry most of the year.
 
dad4 said:
Got it. I’m not thinking of arroyos in the flatlands.

I’m talking about hills, and much larger reservoirs. Example: There is a small lake at the base of the Hetch Hetchy power generation tunnel. Pump water uphill into Hetch Hetchy as a way to store energy. Let it flow back down when you want electricity. It would use the pair of lakes as a giant battery.
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Like this..

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Feds Block Massive Hydroelectric Project Near Lake Elsinore Again

On Thursday, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission issued a statement saying it would not rehear arguments on the LEAPS application.
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Multi Sport said:
Like this..

patch.com

Feds Block Massive Hydroelectric Project Near Lake Elsinore Again

On Thursday, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission issued a statement saying it would not rehear arguments on the LEAPS application.
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Interesting, I thought Dad4's idea was far-fetched, but apparently its feasible. Still illustrates the problem with solar and hydro, that they're so land intensive they can't be built very close to major population centers and require miles of transmission lines. As opposed to a nuclear plant like San Onofre. These projects environmental objections typically have less to do with the plant itself, and more to do with the transmission lines that cross miles of sensitive areas.
 
watfly said:
Interesting, I thought Dad4's idea was far-fetched, but apparently its feasible. Still illustrates the problem with solar and hydro, that they're so land intensive they can't be built very close to major population centers and require miles of transmission lines. As opposed to a nuclear plant like San Onofre. These projects environmental objections typically have less to do with the plant itself, and more to do with the transmission lines that cross miles of sensitive areas.
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The irony of this being cancelled is that environmentalist were upset that the plan called for flooding canyon areas that are home to Bobcats/ Deer/ Foxes. Since these are not endangered species the use of take permits was not an issue and some feared an excessive amount of these animals would be killed in the process.

As far building more reservoirs I'm in favor of that but not near known faults.

I see you're a supporter of Nuclear Energy. What's the long term plan to deal with the radioactive material? I don't trust companys or governments to do what's best when a balance sheet is involved. All you need to do is take a look at the mess Crystal Gyser created.. and that's just water.
 
Multi Sport said:
The irony of this being cancelled is that environmentalist were upset that the plan called for flooding canyon areas that are home to Bobcats/ Deer/ Foxes. Since these are not endangered species the use of take permits was not an issue and some feared an excessive amount of these animals would be killed in the process.

As far building more reservoirs I'm in favor of that but not near known faults.

I see you're a supporter of Nuclear Energy. What's the long term plan to deal with the radioactive material? I don't trust companys or governments to do what's best when a balance sheet is involved. All you need to do is take a look at the mess Crystal Gyser created.. and that's just water.
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Bury it deep. Yucca Mountain would be my solution, but its largely irrelevant since we're likely not going to see any nuclear plants built in your or my lifetime, and the Yucca project is effectively dead. As I understand it, current nuclear waste is just building up in storage containers above ground, since there is no place to bury it. We need to address that issue. As far as not trusting companys and governments, we would have to have extraordinary safeguards and redundancies. In the US we've had a pretty good track record of safety. I never lost any sleep because I was 40 miles from San Onofre.

I should be in favor of hydroelectric since it often creates amazing tailwater fisheries.
 
watfly said:
Bury it deep. Yucca Mountain would be my solution, but its largely irrelevant since we're likely not going to see any nuclear plants built in your or my lifetime, and the Yucca project is effectively dead. As I understand it, current nuclear waste is just building up in storage containers above ground, since there is no place to bury it. We need to address that issue. As far as not trusting companys and governments, we would have to have extraordinary safeguards and redundancies. In the US we've had a pretty good track record of safety. I never lost any sleep because I was 40 miles from San Onofre.

I should be in favor of hydroelectric since it often creates amazing tailwater fisheries.
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As long as compamie profits way exceed the penalties (Crystal Gyser was 5 mil) the bean counters will continue push full steam ahead. Not sure if you were around for the Toyota debate but a club soccer family paid the ultimate price.Toyota ultimately had a recall but too late for some. The extraordinary safeguards built into Take Permits are self reporting so probably not as affective as they should be.
 
Multi Sport said:
As long as compamie profits way exceed the penalties (Crystal Gyser was 5 mil) the bean counters will continue push full steam ahead. Not sure if you were around for the Toyota debate but a club soccer family paid the ultimate price.Toyota ultimately had a recall but too late for some. The extraordinary safeguards built into Take Permits are self reporting so probably not as affective as they should be.
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Be nice, I'm a licensed bean counter. ;)
 
watfly said:
Bury it deep. Yucca Mountain would be my solution, but its largely irrelevant since we're likely not going to see any nuclear plants built in your or my lifetime, and the Yucca project is effectively dead. As I understand it, current nuclear waste is just building up in storage containers above ground, since there is no place to bury it. We need to address that issue. As far as not trusting companys and governments, we would have to have extraordinary safeguards and redundancies. In the US we've had a pretty good track record of safety. I never lost any sleep because I was 40 miles from San Onofre.

I should be in favor of hydroelectric since it often creates amazing tailwater fisheries.
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Vogtle Unit 3 started supplying power this year, and Unit 4 is scheduled to be online by the end of the year.

Wat's Bar Unit 2 was online in 2016, suffered a transformer fire, and was repaired and running in 2017.
 
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