Climate and Weather

Avoid the politics, stick to the Science.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959378012001215

Over the past two decades, skeptics of the reality and significance of anthropogenic climate change have frequently accused climate scientists of “alarmism”: of over-interpreting or overreacting to evidence of human impacts on the climate system. However, the available evidence suggests that scientists have in fact been conservative in their projections of the impacts of climate change.

We call this tendency “erring on the side of least drama (ESLD).” We explore some cases of ESLD at work, including predictions of Arctic ozone depletion and the possible disintegration of the West Antarctic ice sheet, and suggest some possible causes of this directional bias, including adherence to the scientific norms of restraint, objectivity, skepticism, rationality, dispassion, and moderation.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Except "progressives" aren't really progressive are they?
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There's a point there. But for me not as strong a contradiction as Trump fits the bill as a populist. Saying progressives aren't progressive falls in the same basket as saying many conservatives aren't particularly conservative and many libertarians are pretty illiberal. Elites by any other name.

I'm trying to go though "American Nations" again. If somebody's looking for a good book its really interesting. Bernie didn't have quite the right stuff in his medicine bundle, but it probably wasn't too far off. I think if you found some young charismatic guy and had them spend the next four years pressing the flesh and listening at diners and job sites around Greater Appalachia, the Midlands, Tidewater and the Intermountain West that would be a start. Strap them to a chair in a dumpy motel in the evening, prop their eyes open with toothpicks and have them watch "Standing Tall" 10,000 times while Robert Reich read little pamphlets about a lower class white/minority political coalition in their ear. Come election time, they'd be ready.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
$cience depends on financial incentives and thus politics.
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Aristotle, Archimedes, Galileo, Edison, Curie, Pasteur, Newton, Einstein, Tesla, all slaves to a Gov. agenda to push policy uh? The lengths people go to complicate a topic.... Listen to Scientists, not politicians.
 
The lunatics have taken over the Asylum...

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astr...k_to_climate_denial_article_at_breitbart.html

The Committee's Twitter account often reflects this ideology. And this afternoon, to the dismay of many, they tweeted a climate-denying “news” story from Breitbart.

Smith—who receives a large amount of funding from fossil fuel interests—has been subpoenaing NOAA staff and data repeatedly in what is a transparent attempt both to create a chilling effect and to directly prevent them from doing their very important research into human-generated global warming.
 
Wez said:
The lunatics have taken over the Asylum...

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astr...k_to_climate_denial_article_at_breitbart.html

The Committee's Twitter account often reflects this ideology. And this afternoon, to the dismay of many, they tweeted a climate-denying “news” story from Breitbart.

Smith—who receives a large amount of funding from fossil fuel interests—has been subpoenaing NOAA staff and data repeatedly in what is a transparent attempt both to create a chilling effect and to directly prevent them from doing their very important research into human-generated global warming.
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You don't have to look very far for stupid. I think someone already posted that article here.
 
Wez said:
Aristotle, Archimedes, Galileo, Edison, Curie, Pasteur, Newton, Einstein, Tesla, all slaves to a Gov. agenda to push policy uh? The lengths people go to complicate a topic.... Listen to Scientists, not politicians.
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Reality check Almighty Musk. Lol!
 
Many oil pipelines originate in the gulf of Mexico and we hear little about oil leaks.. long ago when we had a bad leak in the gulf, everyone thought that that would end the fisheries in the gulf... Mother nature took care and recovered... the second major oil spill in the gulf was deep water horizon: oh the hype and drama that ensued was insane: I argued back then that mother nature would recover for a very simple reason: BP spilled 4.5 million barrels of oil in the gulf, oil seeps into the gulf at the rate of 5 million barrels of oil each year NATURALLY every year since before man ever drilled for oil: that story is never told. http://www.theodora.com/.../united_states_pipelines_map.jpg
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Many oil pipelines originate in the gulf of Mexico and we hear little about oil leaks.. long ago when we had a bad leak in the gulf, everyone thought that that would end the fisheries in the gulf... Mother nature took care and recovered... the second major oil spill in the gulf was deep water horizon: oh the hype and drama that ensued was insane: I argued back then that mother nature would recover for a very simple reason: BP spilled 4.5 million barrels of oil in the gulf, oil seeps into the gulf at the rate of 5 million barrels of oil each year NATURALLY every year since before man ever drilled for oil: that story is never told. http://www.theodora.com/.../united_states_pipelines_map.jpg
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What the fuck are you arguing for, Mother Nature can withstand anything we throw at it so drill baby drill??? smh
 
Wez said:
What the fuck are you arguing for, Mother Nature can withstand anything we throw at it so drill baby drill??? smh
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I'm arguing that oil pipelines work well in the U.S. and that it is not in anyone's best interest for them not to work well.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
I'm arguing that oil pipelines work well in the U.S. and that it is not in anyone's best interest for them not to work well.
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Who in their right mind wouldn't want a pipeline to work well? Not wanting more oil pipelines is not the same as hoping the existing ones stop working right...
 
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astr...ion_will_eliminate_nasa_climate_research.html

Trump’s Plan to Eliminate NASA Climate Research Is Ill-Informed and Dangerous

Calling climate change research “politicized science” is so ironic you could build a battle fleet out of it, because it was the GOP who politicized it. They are the ones who attacked it as a party plank, they are the ones who have been taking millions in fossil fuel money to fund an organized disinformation campaign about it, they are the ones who harass climate scientists.

The specific example that crystallizes all this? Republicans love to claim that progressives started using the phrase “climate change” instead of “global warming” because the Earth wasn’t warming. This is 100 percent pure bull crap. First, the Earth is warming; the “pause” isn’t real. Second—and this is the real kicker—it was Frank Luntz, a Republican strategist, who convinced Republicans to switch phrases because the term “climate change” is less frightening, and therefore easier to downplay.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astr...ttee_global_warming_tweet_debunked_again.html
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Many oil pipelines originate in the gulf of Mexico and we hear little about oil leaks.. long ago when we had a bad leak in the gulf, everyone thought that that would end the fisheries in the gulf... Mother nature took care and recovered... the second major oil spill in the gulf was deep water horizon: oh the hype and drama that ensued was insane: I argued back then that mother nature would recover for a very simple reason: BP spilled 4.5 million barrels of oil in the gulf, oil seeps into the gulf at the rate of 5 million barrels of oil each year NATURALLY every year since before man ever drilled for oil: that story is never told. http://www.theodora.com/.../united_states_pipelines_map.jpg
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The fact that Obama wouldn't let any flyovers or pictures of the region speaks for itself. Maybe not as bad as made out to be?
Never let a crisis go to waste.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Many oil pipelines originate in the gulf of Mexico and we hear little about oil leaks.. long ago when we had a bad leak in the gulf, everyone thought that that would end the fisheries in the gulf... Mother nature took care and recovered... the second major oil spill in the gulf was deep water horizon: oh the hype and drama that ensued was insane: I argued back then that mother nature would recover for a very simple reason: BP spilled 4.5 million barrels of oil in the gulf, oil seeps into the gulf at the rate of 5 million barrels of oil each year NATURALLY every year since before man ever drilled for oil: that story is never told. http://www.theodora.com/.../united_states_pipelines_map.jpg
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents_in_the_United_States_in_the_21st_century
 
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