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Bernie Sanders said:
Breathe, grasshoppah.
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I was hoping with the end of 2016 the left would finally accept The Donald as their leader and Savior, but it appears that they are still the little crying bitches as last year. It's going to be a long and entertaining year, maybe we should invest in tissue and xanex.
 
Bernie Sanders said:
The fact that you use the term, "denier" lends credence to the basis of the piece.
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What's wrong with the term denier? Do you not know the definition, here, let me help:

"state that one refuses to admit the truth or existence of."

A person who doesn't believe AGW could produce harmful results for humanity simply denies that reality, so what?
 
Bernie Sanders said:
More confirmation.
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I doubt you need any more confirmation, but make of it what you will. I'm sure the Greenpeace guys were like "Hanukkah" or whatever that H work is Iz uses for "fish on". I personally prefer (well some other life time ago) a dry fly worked through the drift line to the smell of chum and diesel but that's just me.

Here are two more classic links to add to our treasure trove. I think they are worth a read to anyone with a passing interest in this topic. Not the blahgosphere this time but the semi-popular press. First, Happer's views circa 2011-and I don't think there are really any new wrinkles since then.

https://www.firstthings.com/article/2011/06/the-truth-about-greenhouse-gases

And a point by point rebuttal from Mike MacCracken, who is Princeton alum and was a chief scientist (and maybe still is?-not sure) at the Climate Institute at that time.

http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/...out-Greenhouse-Gases-and-Climate-Change_1.pdf

Two things about it. First, note that the discussion in these links, while from learned individuals, is at best tangentially about climate science. They are not engaging in a scientific argument. It is not data driven. There is very little data in it, in fact. Its really about policy, and, to me, more fundamentally about globalism and opposing metaphors into which we can shove and find operating modalities to make use of knowledge. The real climate scientists keep doing what they have been doing for the last decade or so, following the pulse of AGW through climatic mixing systems, learning about them along the way. Same thing with endocrine disrupters and the Alar stuff the came up awhile ago. Its all the same story.

Second thing. Like HD brought up, Happer is an MRI guy and not a climate scientist. He's got like over 200 peer reviewed "real" pubs and is in the National Academy. They don't just give that away. But you do see this from time to time as scientists approach the end of their careers. Sometimes especially when they have a big name. They walk away from the trenches and increasingly become a satellite orbiting, in an increasingly erratic fashion, their own laboratory. They write opinion pieces, give expert testimony, that sort of thing. And the money can be good. But its no longer about the science.
 
espola said:
Thanks for posting that. When my daughter joined her Filipina sorority
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Shimabukuro makes so much sound come from such a small instrument, which he calls the instrument of peace. I liked it because it cannot be spun, it's unimpeachable. You catch shit here for telling stories, but for me story telling is the only thing that will allow the internet to be human rather than a bully playground of projection. Its like we need a fire to make it work. Anyway, my own daughter, at this point we've met the great-grandmother on the birth mom side, who is apparently native Hawaiian. It was a big deal, with the birth mom fluttering around not knowing what to do with herself. It would be interesting to know if our daughter would "qualify" for the Kamehameha school, although the genealogy on the birth dad side is not entirely clear. So maybe not, and I don't really know if they are that good an education to begin with. At any rate, she's three, going on four. We were at a New Year's day party today and I was watching her work the crowd. Bumping into people, pretending to be shy. "Oh so cute" in her princess dress. Looking over at me with her ringlets, dancing eyes and pirate's smile. This is so easy, dad. And I'm like, this wasn't in the script.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
Shimabukuro makes so much sound come from such a small instrument, which he calls the instrument of peace. I liked it because it cannot be spun, it's unimpeachable. You catch shit here for telling stories, but for me story telling is the only thing that will allow the internet to be human rather than a bully playground of projection. Its like we need a fire to make it work. Anyway, my own daughter, at this point we've met the great-grandmother on the birth mom side, who is apparently native Hawaiian. It was a big deal, with the birth mom fluttering around not knowing what to do with herself. It would be interesting to know if our daughter would "qualify" for the Kamehameha school, although the genealogy on the birth dad side is not entirely clear. So maybe not, and I don't really know if they are that good an education to begin with. At any rate, she's three, going on four. We were at a New Year's day party today and I was watching her work the crowd. Bumping into people, pretending to be shy. "Oh so cute" in her princess dress. Looking over at me with her ringlets, dancing eyes and pirate's smile. This is so easy, dad. And I'm like, this wasn't in the script.
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A couple of years back, I bought myself a year's membership in ancestry.com. It was interesting tracing the family tree back as far as I could go though their methods and comparing it with a family history book written by an aunt (cousin?) in my father's mother's Corliss family - Belgian Huguenots, perhaps originally French - but the book starts with she calls immigrants from Belgium, although hundreds of years before Belgium was its own country. And also back through what people remembered up the other branches. I found some things that I discussed with one of my youngest brother, and his search agreed with mine as far as we both could go. It is interesting to read carefully - when did that couple get married? when did they have children? are there any close relationships (cousins)? what did they and other family members know?

That brother has been caring for my Dad since he is the child living closest (Pennsylvania to Florida) now that Dad is confined to shuttling between rest home and hospital. The lawyer named as executor explained that it is easier for personal items to be distributed now by my brother, who has power of attorney, than later through probate who will be inclined to sell everything, simplifying the split of the estate. My share, which arrived last week, is Dad's military insignia and the cruise book of the WW2 USMC Bomber Squadron 443. One curious similarity between that book and my cruise book from the USS Enterprise 74-75 Westpac - we both have our pictures in our respective books (sure about mine, not completely sure about his), but not our names. There are many group photos in the USMC book, with no names other than a "complete" roster at the end; the group shot of my Work Center on the Enterprise shows my face, but apparently attached to another sailor's name.

You suggest I "catch shit here for telling stories", but I hadn't noticed that. I guess I could read more closely. I always thought of myself as more of a Calvin Coolidge (who made part of his fame by saying as little as possible) than a Francis Colburn (who made part of his living telling more than people really wanted to hear).


Especially appropriate now is the movie on TCM - Hitchcock's The Trouble with Harry, filmed primarily in Craftsbury Common, Vt, the small town mentioned on the Colburn record.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
I doubt you need any more confirmation, but make of it what you will. I'm sure the Greenpeace guys were like "Hanukkah" or whatever that H work is Iz uses for "fish on". I personally prefer (well some other life time ago) a dry fly worked through the drift line to the smell of chum and diesel but that's just me.

Here are two more classic links to add to our treasure trove. I think they are worth a read to anyone with a passing interest in this topic. Not the blahgosphere this time but the semi-popular press. First, Happer's views circa 2011-and I don't think there are really any new wrinkles since then.

https://www.firstthings.com/article/2011/06/the-truth-about-greenhouse-gases

And a point by point rebuttal from Mike MacCracken, who is Princeton alum and was a chief scientist (and maybe still is?-not sure) at the Climate Institute at that time.

http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/...out-Greenhouse-Gases-and-Climate-Change_1.pdf

Two things about it. First, note that the discussion in these links, while from learned individuals, is at best tangentially about climate science. They are not engaging in a scientific argument. It is not data driven. There is very little data in it, in fact. Its really about policy, and, to me, more fundamentally about globalism and opposing metaphors into which we can shove and find operating modalities to make use of knowledge. The real climate scientists keep doing what they have been doing for the last decade or so, following the pulse of AGW through climatic mixing systems, learning about them along the way. Same thing with endocrine disrupters and the Alar stuff the came up awhile ago. Its all the same story.

Second thing. Like HD brought up, Happer is an MRI guy and not a climate scientist. He's got like over 200 peer reviewed "real" pubs and is in the National Academy. They don't just give that away. But you do see this from time to time as scientists approach the end of their careers. Sometimes especially when they have a big name. They walk away from the trenches and increasingly become a satellite orbiting, in an increasingly erratic fashion, their own laboratory. They write opinion pieces, give expert testimony, that sort of thing. And the money can be good. But its no longer about the science.
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I like the thought you put into this, and I think we agree on the political nature of the debate.
While you obviously give more weight to human released co2, and its impact on the climate, than I do, you dont come across as alarmist.
I can appreciate that.
It shows a certain rationality that has become lost in what you point out as an increasingly political debate.

btw, thank you for unleashing more info about the ancestry and life style of vermontshire.
 
Bernie Sanders said:
While you obviously give more weight to human released co2, and its impact on the climate, than I do, you dont come across as alarmist.
I can appreciate that.
It shows a certain rationality that has become lost in what you point out as an increasingly political debate.
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Can you point to a single "alarmist" that comments here?
 
Bernie Sanders said:
I like the thought you put into this, and I think we agree on the political nature of the debate.
While you obviously give more weight to human released co2, and its impact on the climate, than I do, you dont come across as alarmist.
I can appreciate that.
It shows a certain rationality that has become lost in what you point out as an increasingly political debate.

btw, thank you for unleashing more info about the ancestry and life style of vermontshire.
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Tell the people of Barrow Alaska it ain't happening.
 
Thoman makes it clear that temperatures and ice levels have definitely fluctuated over the past decades, but the trend in the last 10 years points to an overall shift.

"Since 2002, however, the ice pack has retreated, and now, not only are Octobers regularly near the warmest of record, but every October is exceptionally warm," he wrote. "Prior to 2002, huge year-to-year swings in October temperature were typical."

He also adds that a lack of sea ice does not necessarily guarantee warm October temperatures.

"There is nothing abstract or hypothetical about climate change at Barrow," Thoman wrote. "Like almost every community across the Arctic, Barrow will somehow have to adapt to environmental changes in ways that may prove to be economically and culturally costly."

http://www.thearcticsounder.com/article/1338living_the_effects_of_sea_ice_decline_in
 
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