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Multi Sport said:
To All My Liberal Friends:

Please accept with no obligation, implied or explicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2017, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America great. Not to imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the only America in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is made without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the wishee.


To All My Conservative Friends:

MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR!
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Have a Wheelie Happy New Year......

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Bernie Sanders said:
I understand there is always an answer.
I just dont always understand how to accept it.
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Do you accept that 2 + 2 = 4, and at the same time that 2 x 2 = 4? How can that be when -2 + -2 = -4, and -2 x -2 = 4? To anyone with a skeptical viewpoint, mathematicians are obviously lying to us, and all their statements should be treated with doubt.
 
espola said:
Do you accept that 2 + 2 = 4, and at the same time that 2 x 2 = 4? How can that be when -2 + -2 = -4, and -2 x -2 = 4? To anyone with a skeptical viewpoint, mathematicians are obviously lying to us, and all their statements should be treated with doubt.
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Instead of making a mystery of it, explain WHY you get the results you listed.
It's not Witch Doctor magic.....
 
espola said:
Do you accept that 2 + 2 = 4, and at the same time that 2 x 2 = 4? How can that be when -2 + -2 = -4, and -2 x -2 = 4? To anyone with a skeptical viewpoint, mathematicians are obviously lying to us, and all their statements should be treated with doubt.
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Wikipoopoo:
Theorems in mathematics and theories in science are fundamentally different in their epistemology. A scientific theory cannot be proved; its key attribute is that it is falsifiable that is, it makes predictions about the natural world that are testable by experiments. Any disagreement between prediction and experiment demonstrates the incorrectness of the scientific theory, or at least limits its accuracy or domain of validity. Mathematical theorems, on the other hand, are purely abstract formal statements: the proof of a theorem cannot involve experiments or other empirical evidence in the same way such evidence is used to support scientific theories.
 
Lion Eyes said:
Wikipoopoo:
Theorems in mathematics and theories in science are fundamentally different in their epistemology. A scientific theory cannot be proved; its key attribute is that it is falsifiable that is, it makes predictions about the natural world that are testable by experiments. Any disagreement between prediction and experiment demonstrates the incorrectness of the scientific theory, or at least limits its accuracy or domain of validity. Mathematical theorems, on the other hand, are purely abstract formal statements: the proof of a theorem cannot involve experiments or other empirical evidence in the same way such evidence is used to support scientific theories.
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Irrelevant.
 
nononono said:
It's not irrelevant, and you are a classic example of poor teaching.

The scientific method it appears escapes you also....
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4nos, here is someone right up your alley, James Harris of usenet fame. He has a college degree in mathematics and he believes there is a defect in the commonly accepted definition, and thus associated theorems, of algebraic integers. He has traced it back to a defect in the number 7, as best as I can determine. Check back in when you have digested that, and tell us which side of the discussion you believe is correct.

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!msg/sci.math/3h1SshtCNoc/XZgtjQJ3uSgJ
 
espola said:
Do you accept that 2 + 2 = 4, and at the same time that 2 x 2 = 4? How can that be when -2 + -2 = -4, and -2 x -2 = 4? To anyone with a skeptical viewpoint, mathematicians are obviously lying to us, and all their statements should be treated with doubt.
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2+2 does not equal anthropogenic global warming. It equals 4
 
Wez said:
Yea, the sugar industry really did a number on us...
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They did didn't they. They were the driving force behind the blame on fats. It's really a fascinating history into how industry has so much control of our science. Throw some money around and you can find someone to come up with a study to support your claim. But I'm clueless so you should stick to believing all the experts. No need to see who backing their claims...
 
Multi Sport said:
They did didn't they. They were the driving force behind the blame on fats. It's really a fascinating history into how industry has so much control of our science. Throw some money around and you can find someone to come up with a study to support your claim. But I'm clueless so you should stick to believing all the experts. No need to see who backing their claims...
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Skepticism is fine, but that's not what is practiced here. Without fail, Scientists who seek to debunk AGW are believed and promoted here, despite easily found refutations of their work. Only the funding sources of the pro-AGW scientists are ever questioned, despite the very dubious sources of the deniers. Any new data that seemingly supports anti-AGW is quickly promoted while confirming data is quickly dismissed.

True Scientists practice skepticism daily, it's built into the scientific method. What goes on here is clearly just political bias.
 
Multi Sport said:
They did didn't they. They were the driving force behind the blame on fats. It's really a fascinating history into how industry has so much control of our science. Throw some money around and you can find someone to come up with a study to support your claim. But I'm clueless so you should stick to believing all the experts. No need to see who backing their claims...
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Yes the oil industry, like many industries before it, are behind "science" that supports their bottom line.
 
Wez said:
Skepticism is fine, but that's not what is practiced here. Without fail, Scientists who seek to debunk AGW are believed and promoted here, despite easily found refutations of their work. Only the funding sources of the pro-AGW scientists are ever questioned, despite the very dubious sources of the deniers. Any new data that seemingly supports anti-AGW is quickly promoted while confirming data is quickly dismissed.

True Scientists practice skepticism daily, it's built into the scientific method. What goes on here is clearly just political bias.
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And you are one of the leaders of practicing your last sentence..
 
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