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And again I have to ask so what is his point? Once you cross the bridge of admitting that man is causing the climate to change... seems to me that it becomes fairly hard to maintain the position that we should just carry on denying like it's not.

Take Bernie's position for example. I can get how folks can say well I like my big SUV and gluttonous lifestyle and have just decided not to believe, and that's that. I might disagree, or even find his thinking to be self-serving. But at least it's a coherent position. Lion's is much less coherent to me.
A bridge too far.
 
I always find it's much more fun if I add in sound effects when reading your posts. It makes them feel much more cartoony and fun to read.

Take for example your first couple sentences.

Climate is never a statistic (BOINGGG)
(Whoosh) It's always changing (CELL DOOR SLAM SOUND EFFECT).
It does so incrementally (CRYSTAL CHIME BUILD UNDER REST OF SENTENCE TO MAKES US FEEL THE ENLIGHTENMENT BEING POOPED UPON US)
and at times, drastically... (OUTER SPACY SOUNDING SWISH WITH A GLASS BREAK SFX)


See how it makes the posts less boring and made up sounding- and just transforms it into something more fun...
You have finally, officially lost it.
 
Wez, Wez, Wez......




Ok....now that you've simmered on that for a while and your two back slapping
Idiots Andytutu and Ratatootoo did so without doing any research, I'll show you
the truth......

First of all the California Power grid is broken up into sectors and that's how they come up with the fantasy
percentage point that Wez rattled off, the sectors with the highest demand are not included in the number
he states. Second, to keep the power charges high so as to generate a profit they have forced power plants within
California to reduce output or shut down completely. The glut of " renewable " power is the third sneaky item, they
now have an abundance of extra power so they cut off or shut down extra....

California imports 35 -45 % its electrical power from three plants in three states during peak times :

The Inter-mountain Power Project in Utah

The San Juan plant in New Mexico

The Navajo plant in Arizona

Some of the above plants have been forced by California Cities ( LA ) for one, to imminent closure due to
partisan politics

Please try again.

http://www.energy.ca.gov/almanac/electricity_data/total_system_power.html
 
And again I have to ask so what is his point? Once you cross the bridge of admitting that man is causing the climate to change... seems to me that it becomes fairly hard to maintain the position that we should just carry on denying like it's not.

Take Bernie's position for example. I can get how folks can say well I like my big SUV and gluttonous lifestyle and have just decided not to believe, and that's that. I might disagree, or even find his thinking to be self-serving. But at least it's a coherent position. Lion's is much less coherent to me.

Many people don't just say "It's what I believe". They just say "Fuck off and die".
 
Have you stopped driving your car? Stopped flying around the country?
Ceased using products with petroleum in it or used to produce it?
Man is not "causing" climate change.
Contributing to climate change, pretty good bet. How much? Who knows...perhaps a lot.
The more important question, can we stop climate change?
I gotta say since it's been changing for millions of years, I have my doubts.
Should we be doing everything reasonable to develop and use alternative energy, ones that don't produce c02 as a by product, absolutely.
But, even if folks gave up and changed their life styles, I'm not so sure that would stop climate change, might slow it down ...maybe.
The seas have risen before, the earth has been warmer.
Do you think we'd be better off with a new ice age?


I hope this isn't a news flash... but humanity progresses. For most of human history everyone just dumped their waste and filth out in the street. Then we figured out indoor plumbing and living standards have been lifted across the world. Surely your not also saying we should start deporting plumbers?

Again if your going to be a denier the be a denier. If you want to go backwards then go backwards. But right now my opinion is your just being wishy washy and wanting it both ways. It's like you want the affirmation of not being considered a nutter global warming denier- but at the same time you don't want to bear any of the cost holding such a position bears.
 
I hope this isn't a news flash... but humanity progresses. For most of human history everyone just dumped their waste and filth out in the street. Then we figured out indoor plumbing and living standards have been lifted across the world. Surely your not also saying we should start deporting plumbers?

Again if your going to be a denier the be a denier. If you want to go backwards then go backwards. But right now my opinion is your just being wishy washy and wanting it both ways. It's like you want the affirmation of not being considered a nutter global warming denier- but at the same time you don't want to bear any of the cost holding such a position bears.

What have you done to stop climate change? Nothing?
Have you stopped flyin'? Driving? Are you even peddling down to Ralph's for groceries?
If not, then save your sanctimonious pontifications for someone who believes the key to stop global warming is getting back into the Paris Accord.
Excuse me while I start the Bar-b-que.....I love cooking on mesquite...although I had tri tip and chicken cooked on lemon wood this weekend that was absolutely great.
 
What have you done to stop climate change? Nothing?
Have you stopped flyin'? Driving? Are you even peddling down to Ralph's for groceries?
If not, then save your sanctimonious pontifications for someone who believes the key to stop global warming is getting back into the Paris Accord.
Excuse me while I start the Bar-b-que.....I love cooking on mesquite...although I had tri tip and chicken cooked on lemon wood this weekend that was absolutely great.

What are you trying to say, I'm some damn hippy talking about giving up or cars are even bbq... lol I think you're missing my point entirely.

The point of trying to tackle global warming to me isn't about taking away peoples cars. It's figuring out how 3 billion Chinese can buy an American made car without destroying the world's air for the rest of us.
 
What are you trying to say, I'm some damn hippy talking about giving up or cars are even bbq... lol I think you're missing my point entirely.

The point of trying to tackle global warming to me isn't about taking away peoples cars. It's figuring out how 3 billion Chinese can buy an American made car without destroying the world's air for the rest of us.

3 billion, where did you get that number from, E-reader?
You just make shit up all the time.
Damn chicoms. I don't trust those little, sneaky bastards.
Don't most of them ride bikes?
Their little legs can't reach the gas pedal.
They only sold 8 million more cars than we did last year and they have a billion more people than we do.
I doubt cars are the main cause, factories would be my guess.
 
What are you trying to say, I'm some damn hippy talking about giving up or cars are even bbq... lol I think you're missing my point entirely.

The point of trying to tackle global warming to me isn't about taking away peoples cars. It's figuring out how 3 billion Chinese can buy an American made car without destroying the world's air for the rest of us.
Nothing lasts forever, and the fossil fuel companies are simply trying to get all they can as fast as they can, before they die . . . and just like Phillip Morris invited in the possibility of marijuana being legalize way back in the early 70's, the fossil fuel companies are doing likewise with renewables. It's just good business . . . in the mean time they got lots of yahoos backing their immediate play through years of propaganda.
 
I always find it's much more fun if I add in sound effects when reading your posts. It makes them feel much more cartoony and fun to read.

Take for example your first couple sentences.

Climate is never a statistic (BOINGGG)
(Whoosh) It's always changing (CELL DOOR SLAM SOUND EFFECT).
It does so incrementally (CRYSTAL CHIME BUILD UNDER REST OF SENTENCE TO MAKES US FEEL THE ENLIGHTENMENT BEING POOPED UPON US)
and at times, drastically... (OUTER SPACY SOUNDING SWISH WITH A GLASS BREAK SFX)


See how it makes the posts less boring and made up sounding- and just transforms it into something more fun...
Makes as much sense as the rest of the AGW hysterics.
 
Nothing lasts forever, and the fossil fuel companies are simply trying to get all they can as fast as they can, before they die . . . and just like Phillip Morris invited in the possibility of marijuana being legalize way back in the early 70's, the fossil fuel companies are doing likewise with renewables. It's just good business . . . in the mean time they got lots of yahoos backing their immediate play through years of propaganda.

The future is coming and outside conservative lala land I haven't heard anyone say they think/hope/guess it will be a fossil fuel revolution. We can bury our head in the sand and concede rewards of renewable energy to our competitors or we make the investments to make sure it's the American people who reap the rewards of the renewable energy industry we helped create.

Since I don't own an oil company, I bet you can figure out where I stand.
 
The future is coming and outside conservative lala land I haven't heard anyone say they think/hope/guess it will be a fossil fuel revolution. We can bury our head in the sand and concede rewards of renewable energy to our competitors or we make the investments to make sure it's the American people who reap the rewards of the renewable energy industry we helped create.

Since I don't own an oil company, I bet you can figure out where I stand.
Alot of "we" in that statement.
Are you doing anything besides ranting on a soccer website?
 
Alot of "we" in that statement.
Are you doing anything besides ranting on a soccer website?

Well I'm not sure it's realistic that I alone can fix global warming so I used a we. As to ranting? Let me guess. You spent the morning staring into a toilet bowl and are now having trouble focusing again?
 
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