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I'm trying to figure out your point in posting this? Unless you're coming over to the human-caused warming is having an effect side of the issue...
:cool:
Coming over?
td.... just wild guessing again??
Late for the movie, assuming what you don't know?
What?
 
I'm trying to figure out your point in posting this? Unless you're coming over to the human-caused warming is having an effect side of the issue...

He is highlighting the fact that we don't know exactly how much mankind's activities are affecting our environment. At least it's not outright denial.
 
He is highlighting the fact that we don't know exactly how much mankind's activities are affecting our environment. At least it's not outright denial.
So you are telling T what Lion is thinking? You don't even know what you are trying to say most of the time, Shitface.
 
I'm glad you know exactly what you are posting. However to go back to what I was saying...
If I posted it to cause you confusion, I'd have succeeded.
But it was simply to share something interesting, to ponder over and to perhaps discuss like adults.
Apparently that was to much to ask.
 
I don't think any of us are, the cause is the big question for some of us.
Climate is never static.
It's always changing, and it does so incrementally, and at times, drastically.
There are far too many variables, many unknown, some under estimated, some exaggerated, and the interplay between all of these dynamics too complex for us to have any rational basis at this point for predicting what it will do.

It was not long ago that most of north America was locked beneath a mile or two of ice.
I look optimistically at the temperate trend we are lucky enough to have timed into.

Do I doubt the so called, "experts"?
Always.
 
"Half"? How bout 0.2%, idiot.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-california-coal-20160512-snap-story.html

..."the share of California's total megawatt hours of power generated by burning coal dropped from 1% in 2007 to just 0.2% in 2015."

Wez, Wez, Wez......




Ok....now that you've simmered on that for a while and your two back slapping
Idiots Andytutu and Ratatootoo did so without doing any research, I'll show you
the truth......

First of all the California Power grid is broken up into sectors and that's how they come up with the fantasy
percentage point that Wez rattled off, the sectors with the highest demand are not included in the number
he states. Second, to keep the power charges high so as to generate a profit they have forced power plants within
California to reduce output or shut down completely. The glut of " renewable " power is the third sneaky item, they
now have an abundance of extra power so they cut off or shut down extra....

California imports 35 -45 % its electrical power from three plants in three states during peak times :

The Inter-mountain Power Project in Utah

The San Juan plant in New Mexico

The Navajo plant in Arizona

Some of the above plants have been forced by California Cities ( LA ) for one, to imminent closure due to
partisan politics

 
Wez, Wez, Wez......




Ok....now that you've simmered on that for a while and your two back slapping
Idiots Andytutu and Ratatootoo did so without doing any research, I'll show you
the truth......

First of all the California Power grid is broken up into sectors and that's how they come up with the fantasy
percentage point that Wez rattled off, the sectors with the highest demand are not included in the number
he states. Second, to keep the power charges high so as to generate a profit they have forced power plants within
California to reduce output or shut down completely. The glut of " renewable " power is the third sneaky item, they
now have an abundance of extra power so they cut off or shut down extra....

California imports 35 -45 % its electrical power from three plants in three states during peak times :

The Inter-mountain Power Project in Utah

The San Juan plant in New Mexico

The Navajo plant in Arizona

Some of the above plants have been forced by California Cities ( LA ) for one, to imminent closure due to
partisan politics

You don't even bother sourcing your nonsense, so I don't even bother reading it.
 
and the interplay between all of these dynamics too complex for us to have any rational basis at this point for predicting what it will do.

The old "it's too complex for anyone but God to understand so it's in God's hands" response.

AGW is and always has been, "wishing for the best, preparing for the worst". Everything else is just noise.
 
He is highlighting the fact that we don't know exactly how much mankind's activities are affecting our environment. At least it's not outright denial.

And again I have to ask so what is his point? Once you cross the bridge of admitting that man is causing the climate to change... seems to me that it becomes fairly hard to maintain the position that we should just carry on denying like it's not.

Take Bernie's position for example. I can get how folks can say well I like my big SUV and gluttonous lifestyle and have just decided not to believe, and that's that. I might disagree, or even find his thinking to be self-serving. But at least it's a coherent position. Lion's is much less coherent to me.
 
Climate is never static.
It's always changing, and it does so incrementally, and at times, drastically.
There are far too many variables, many unknown, some under estimated, some exaggerated, and the interplay between all of these dynamics too complex for us to have any rational basis at this point for predicting what it will do.

It was not long ago that most of north America was locked beneath a mile or two of ice.
I look optimistically at the temperate trend we are lucky enough to have timed into.

Do I doubt the so called, "experts"?
Always.

I always find it's much more fun if I add in sound effects when reading your posts. It makes them feel much more cartoony and fun to read.

Take for example your first couple sentences.

Climate is never a statistic (BOINGGG)
(Whoosh) It's always changing (CELL DOOR SLAM SOUND EFFECT).
It does so incrementally (CRYSTAL CHIME BUILD UNDER REST OF SENTENCE TO MAKES US FEEL THE ENLIGHTENMENT BEING POOPED UPON US)
and at times, drastically... (OUTER SPACY SOUNDING SWISH WITH A GLASS BREAK SFX)


See how it makes the posts less boring and made up sounding- and just transforms it into something more fun...
 
And again I have to ask so what is his point? Once you cross the bridge of admitting that man is causing the climate to change... seems to me that it becomes fairly hard to maintain the position that we should just carry on denying like it's not.

Take Bernie's position for example. I can get how folks can say well I like my big SUV and gluttonous lifestyle and have just decided not to believe, and that's that. I might disagree, or even find his thinking to be self-serving. But at least it's a coherent position. Lion's is much less coherent to me.
Have you stopped driving your car? Stopped flying around the country?
Ceased using products with petroleum in it or used to produce it?
Man is not "causing" climate change.
Contributing to climate change, pretty good bet. How much? Who knows...perhaps a lot.
The more important question, can we stop climate change?
I gotta say since it's been changing for millions of years, I have my doubts.
Should we be doing everything reasonable to develop and use alternative energy, ones that don't produce c02 as a by product, absolutely.
But, even if folks gave up and changed their life styles, I'm not so sure that would stop climate change, might slow it down ...maybe.
The seas have risen before, the earth has been warmer.
Do you think we'd be better off with a new ice age?
 
And again I have to ask so what is his point? Once you cross the bridge of admitting that man is causing the climate to change... seems to me that it becomes fairly hard to maintain the position that we should just carry on denying like it's not.

Take Bernie's position for example. I can get how folks can say well I like my big SUV and gluttonous lifestyle and have just decided not to believe, and that's that. I might disagree, or even find his thinking to be self-serving. But at least it's a coherent position. Lion's is much less coherent to me.

I said nothing about the level of coherence, I simply made a guess as to the meaning. Admitting that man is helping expedite Global Warming and then yelling at the left that "since the degree to which we are, is not known with certainty" we should relax regulations and refrain from taking actions, is the "in thing", in the days of Dump.
 
I said nothing about the level of coherence, I simply made a guess as to the meaning. Admitting that man is helping expedite Global Warming and then yelling at the left that "since the degree to which we are, is not known with certainty" we should relax regulations and refrain from taking actions, is the "in thing", in the days of Dump.
Oooo horseshit
Just make it as you go along. Geeezzzuuuss...
 
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