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espola said:
One lingering problem with carbon capture is what to do with the captured carbon, usually in the form of CO2 gas. They can't just vent it out - that would defeat the purpose.

Oil companies used to inject it into wells to force out more oil, but only when they could get it cheap and local, such as what was filtered out of natural gas wells. Coal burners found a new profit center by converting their captured sulfur to gypsum good enough to sell to drywall makers - maybe they will find something as good for CO2.
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"Diamonds in the sky"
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Citation?
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Is CO2 a pollutant?

Pollution Myths
Of all the myths quoted, calling carbon dioxide a pollutant is the worst - it simply is not true!

Myth: CO2 is a pollutant.


Fact: Totally false. We challenge you to prove otherwise. CO2 is in our every breath, in the carbonated sodas and waters that we drink and in the dry ice that helps us keep our food cold and safe. We breathe in 400 parts per million and then exhale 40,000 parts per million with no ill effects.

We breathe the 40,000 ppm into victims needing CPR and it does not cause them to die!

The monitoring systems in U.S. submarines do not provide an alert until CO2 levels reach 8,000 ppm which is higher that natural CO2 levels have been on Earth in the last 540 million years.

CO2 is a great airborne fertilizer which, as its concentrations rise, causes additional plant growth and causes plants to need less water. Without CO2 there would be no life (food) on Earth. The 120 ppm of CO2 added to the atmosphere since the start of the industrial revolution has caused an average increase in worldwide plant growth of over 12 percent and of 18 percent for trees.

There is not a single instance of CO2 being a pollutant. Ask any chemistry professor.

The only thing being polluted is your mind or the minds of your children.


 
nononono said:
Is CO2 a pollutant?

Pollution Myths
Of all the myths quoted, calling carbon dioxide a pollutant is the worst - it simply is not true!

Myth: CO2 is a pollutant.


Fact: Totally false. We challenge you to prove otherwise. CO2 is in our every breath, in the carbonated sodas and waters that we drink and in the dry ice that helps us keep our food cold and safe. We breathe in 400 parts per million and then exhale 40,000 parts per million with no ill effects.

We breathe the 40,000 ppm into victims needing CPR and it does not cause them to die!

The monitoring systems in U.S. submarines do not provide an alert until CO2 levels reach 8,000 ppm which is higher that natural CO2 levels have been on Earth in the last 540 million years.

CO2 is a great airborne fertilizer which, as its concentrations rise, causes additional plant growth and causes plants to need less water. Without CO2 there would be no life (food) on Earth. The 120 ppm of CO2 added to the atmosphere since the start of the industrial revolution has caused an average increase in worldwide plant growth of over 12 percent and of 18 percent for trees.

There is not a single instance of CO2 being a pollutant. Ask any chemistry professor.

The only thing being polluted is your mind or the minds of your children.
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We need to get to somewhere around 60,000 ppm to reach deadly toxicity in the atmosphere.
Espola, with his brown bag re-breather is only at brain damage level.
 
nononono said:
You recognize that Obama is stirring the pot across the Globe, worse than when he was POTUS.
England, Germany...Etc...
He backed the crooked money manipulator Macron.
He's in Italy stirring the pot.
He was in Chicago stirring up shit....
He's up to no good in Washington and his " Deep State "
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That is the only thing he is good at, community organizing. Cause trouble and chaos.
 
Bernie Sanders said:
We need to get to somewhere around 60,000 ppm to reach deadly toxicity in the atmosphere.
Espola, with his brown bag re-breather is only at brain damage level.
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I see you find it funny me asking you for some kind of proof to back your assertion . . . I guess forgot who I was talking to.
 
I don't totally disagree that the good old "not in my backyard" mentality is a problem when it comes to supplying the nation with energy. But damn I sure wouldn't want some leaky oil pipeline put in near my house...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/dakota-access-pipeline-first-leak-215642690.html
Dakota Access pipeline has first leak before it's fully operational

The Dakota Access pipeline has suffered its first leak, outraging indigenous groups who have long warned that the project poses a threat to the environment.

The $3.8bn oil pipeline, which sparked international protests last year and is not yet fully operational, spilled 84 gallons of crude oil at a South Dakota pump station, according to government regulators.

Although state officials said the 6 April leak was contained and quickly cleaned, critics of the project said the spill, which occurred as the pipeline is in the final stages of preparing to transport oil, raises fresh concerns about the potential hazards to waterways and Native American sites.

“They keep telling everybody that it is state of the art, that leaks won’t happen, that nothing can go wrong,” said Jan Hasselman, a lawyer for the Standing Rock Sioux tribe, which has been fighting the project for years. “It’s always been false. They haven’t even turned the thing on and it’s shown to be false.”

The pipeline, scheduled to transport oil from North Dakota to Illinois, inspired massive demonstrations in 2016 and was dealt a major blow when the Obama administration denied a key permit for the project toward the end of his presidency. But shortly after Donald Trump’s inauguration, the new administration ordered the revival of the pipelineand worked to expedite the final stage of construction.

The Standing Rock tribe, which has fought the pipeline corporation Energy Transfer Partners and the US government in court, has argued that the project requires a full environmental study to assess the risks of the pipeline. But under Trump, who has close financial ties to the oil company, the project recently completed construction by the Standing Rock tribe’s reservation in North Dakota and has been loading oil in preparation for a full launch.
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tenacious said:
I don't totally disagree that the good old "not in my backyard" mentality is a problem when it comes to supplying the nation with energy. But damn I sure wouldn't want some leaky oil pipeline put in near my house...
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When piping is installed, it is tested.
Any leaks are fixed before the system is put into use.
Feel free to ask me how that works.
Im pretty smart about those things.
 
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