You get the point. Creating distance in baseball is a solvable problem. Once you deal with the dugout, catcher, and umpire, you have almost no one close to anyone else. Make some minor rules changes if we have to, and let the kids play.
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You get the point. Creating distance in baseball is a solvable problem. Once you deal with the dugout, catcher, and umpire, you have almost no one close to anyone else. Make some minor rules changes if we have to, and let the kids play.
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To protect them from a virus that has about the same risk to them as the flu? Why? Under 24 has about zero risk.
Let's not do safety theater when the actual threat to this group is non-existent
ECNL study was able to verify one case of on field transmission. That’s all I’ve seen.
Some combination of 1- outdoor activity has a lower risk of transmission, 2- contact tracing is difficult, and 3- athletic kids are very likely to be asymptomatic.
Between those three, you won’t see much. #1 says there is less to see. #2 and #3 say you often won’t see it even when it’s there.
Presumably those solutions exist already in that there are rules in place already regarding distancing on bleachers and many facilities have the dugout roped off. But they aren't being honored. It means you'd have to send monitors to softball games to ensure compliance, which is actually in practice a trickier issue than a soccer game (since most of the team is not seated at any one time). This is an illustration of sometimes solutions being easier in the theorectical than in the actual practice. For example, you could put it on umpires to certify to leagues the teams are spaced out but the referees (as in Massachusetts with soccer) won't be happy with that and many will just refuse to do it.
The Massachusetts distancing rules are hard enough to enforce until you get to the GK (which is where it falls apart unless you mandate everyone must shoot from outside the PA). But even though it would be awful for the GK, soccer can be played with the GK just standing there to block shots like a foozball figure. Removing the catcher from play is a trickier rules modification because someone has to go and pick up the ball when it's thrown. Maybe have them pitch it into a bucket or something? Or add dogs to the team and have them fetch? Robots?
That argument is at once both valid and ridiculous.
We know people will refuse to actually enforce a reasonable set of rules, so we’re going to implement a completely unreasonable set of rules instead.
Of course, if people were actually capable of following rules, we wouldn’t be in this situation.
Often times the failure of policy experiments are due to policy makers assuming people are angels, instead of devils. Communism would have worked perfectly if everyone was a saint.
Jose has returned
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because there aren't any....same with euros the kids have been playing over there and going to school and nothing
Soccer Bum 06
SILVER
Agree. Don’t need to solve for a problem that doesn’t affect these kids.
Soccer Bum 06
SILVER
Because there is no risk to these kids and the open states, data and science have already proved it.
Soccer Bum 06
SILVER
Like the “rule” #1 that says a country “China” should report novel virus transmissions to WHO.
First question, are all the soccer kids being texted on a regular basis? Since most kids who get it are asymptomatic how would anyone know if the kids have it or have had it? It is just a big unknown. No conclusion can be made accurately without actual data and testing.
That’s a good point. I would bet that some
kids definitely have it and most are asymptomatic. But the chances of them getting it at practice are slim. You need to have that 15 minute close contact. Most kids that get it are getting from other asymptomatic kids at home. When they have play dates and sleep overs. They then infect their parents. People get covid at home, rarely in public.
Well Europe doesn’t look too good right now in terms of Covid.
Pretty much everyone answered the question...shit leadership in CA. People get fired in real life for poor performance like this...these people get re-elected. Make sure you vote, and again in 2022 or we just get more of the same in this state. Is this what people really want? Very sad situation for this great state.
^ 100%
Schools aren't the primary drivers in Europe. There's been stories of cases here and there but they are sporadic, particularly when it comes to the elementary schoolers. If we are going to be science and data driven, there's just no disputing that fact at this point.
thelonggame
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Right. The stock market tanked yesterday, one of the reasons was fears of further lockdowns in Europe due to higher virus cases. Maybe read the headlines before you post stuff.
What is the question that pretty much everyone has answered?
(Just trying to keep up with the discussion)
Sure, I’ll bite...I know we are in different camps regarding this....I’ve got the answers our family needs to make decisions for our group.
I feel our State Leadership has been irresponsible and has nothing to do with Soccer. Yes, the Rona will kill at-risk people, same with many other diseases, etc...we do not stop the world for those. Every day there are reports of issues with data, poor reporting, etc, etc...yet we are told to follow bad data and trust the science (aka our State Government). OK...you really trust what is marketed/messages by the media? You trust California’s updates, and you believe Newsome is doing a good job? Seriously?
It’s time to get our State back open, Economy on track, kids in real school, and people back to work (if you want to stay home, shelter, and quarantine...fine...do it..your decision). People are getting fed-up and are starting to accept the risk and live their lives. Things are starting to get more loose, people are tired of the politicalization of the issue and people have had it...here is some data for you...94+% of the deaths from the Rona are 55 and older...People under 55 have a higher chance of dying from an accident - Car, Home, etc. than from the Rona...Did you know that? Stop driving people, don’t clean your gutters, or perform household projects...it’s dangerous out there.
It’s literally more deadly and dangerous to drive a car than to die of the Corona Virus for the 55 and younger group.
Edited...forgot to add those driving with masks and gloves are taking the extra super special safety precautions. Thumbs up!
I feel our State Leadership has been irresponsible and has nothing to do with Soccer. Yes, the Rona will kill at-risk people, same with many other diseases, etc...we do not stop the world for those. Every day there are reports of issues with data, poor reporting, etc, etc...yet we are told to follow bad data and trust the science (aka our State Government). OK...you really trust what is marketed/messages by the media? You trust California’s updates, and you believe Newsome is doing a good job? Seriously?
It’s time to get our State back open, Economy on track, kids in real school, and people back to work (if you want to stay home, shelter, and quarantine...fine...do it..your decision). People are getting fed-up and are starting to accept the risk and live their lives. Things are starting to get more loose, people are tired of the politicalization of the issue and people have had it...here is some data for you...94+% of the deaths from the Rona are 55 and older...People under 55 have a higher chance of dying from an accident - Car, Home, etc. than from the Rona...Did you know that? Stop driving people, don’t clean your gutters, or perform household projects...it’s dangerous out there.
It’s literally more deadly and dangerous to drive a car than to die of the Corona Virus for the 55 and younger group.
Edited...forgot to add those driving with masks and gloves are taking the extra super special safety precautions. Thumbs up!