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regarding #1 the island NZ did that and they were great then someone came in and started it up. Doing what they did only delays the inevitable if it was to flatten the curve like the professionals sold us on they did good but sooner or later they will have it. IMO
You forgot, in your opinion.

Which country has the greatest number of deaths per 100,000 population? That is probably the most important question. Is it a third world country, a country with extreme numbers living in poverty? The country with the worst health care in the world? No, the US leads the world with the most deaths. Everyone can argue the whys and wherefores, but bottom line is the number of deaths. A very sad commentary on our society and culture.
 
Which country has the greatest number of deaths per 100,000 population? That is probably the most important question. Is it a third world country, a country with extreme numbers living in poverty? The country with the worst health care in the world? No, the US leads the world with the most deaths. Everyone can argue the whys and wherefores, but bottom line is the number of deaths. A very sad commentary on our society and culture.

sorry you are wrong. It’s not the USA. And when you consider the manipulated numbers of covid deaths by the Democratic states, the USA is still not the worst. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
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sorry you are wrong. It’s not the USA. And when you consider the manipulated numbers of covid deaths by the Democratic states, the USA is still not the worst. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
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I’ve been wondering why South America has been hit so much harder than other places. Five of the top ten in your list. Recently, almost the whole continent has been having real trouble.

Not sure I can get behind the political spin on the U.S. numbers, though. Sure, we are doing better than French Guiana, but I’s kind of a sad day when we make that comparison. Kind of like comparing ourselves to Trinidad & Tobago.
 
Ive seen so many softball teams playing this weekend. It's time to open up soccer if they are allowing softball. I heard high school sports will begin to practice this week in the Inland empire. Ive also seen running teams practicing on the weekends.
 
Ive seen so many softball teams playing this weekend. It's time to open up soccer if they are allowing softball. I heard high school sports will begin to practice this week in the Inland empire. Ive also seen running teams practicing on the weekends.
Both running and softball are even lower risk than soccer. They are reasonable things to add first.

Not that I believe the state and counties took a look at risk and decided to allow baseball, softball, and xc. But it would be better than what we have now.
 
Ive seen so many softball teams playing this weekend. It's time to open up soccer if they are allowing softball. I heard high school sports will begin to practice this week in the Inland empire. Ive also seen running teams practicing on the weekends.
perfect time to make them run, finally!
 
Both running and softball are even lower risk than soccer. They are reasonable things to add first.

That's only true if they separate the kids into the bleachers. Most of the ones I've seen have had the kids sitting in the dug out together. If the dugout is roped off, they are sitting side by side with each other in the stands or grass. Having the kids fixed and stationary next to other kids is bound to be more risky than having them on a field running around. Plus the catcher in particular is in a high risk spot for transmission given the presence of both rotating batters and the umpire.

But I guess you don't care about the catchers. You just want to kill catchers. J/K.
 
That's only true if they separate the kids into the bleachers. Most of the ones I've seen have had the kids sitting in the dug out together. If the dugout is roped off, they are sitting side by side with each other in the stands or grass. Having the kids fixed and stationary next to other kids is bound to be more risky than having them on a field running around. Plus the catcher in particular is in a high risk spot for transmission given the presence of both rotating batters and the umpire.

But I guess you don't care about the catchers. You just want to kill catchers. J/K.

You get the point. Creating distance in baseball is a solvable problem. Once you deal with the dugout, catcher, and umpire, you have almost no one close to anyone else. Make some minor rules changes if we have to, and let the kids play.
 
You get the point. Creating distance in baseball is a solvable problem. Once you deal with the dugout, catcher, and umpire, you have almost no one close to anyone else. Make some minor rules changes if we have to, and let the kids play.
To protect them from a virus that has about the same risk to them as the flu? Why? Under 24 has about zero risk.

Let's not do safety theater when the actual threat to this group is non-existent
 
I’m just curious why there don’t seem to be any big out-breaks from kids in Texas and AZ with all the close contact soccer participation? Any thoughts??? Maybe I missed a news cycle...serious question though.
 
I’m just curious why there don’t seem to be any big out-breaks from kids in Texas and AZ with all the close contact soccer participation? Any thoughts??? Maybe I missed a news cycle...serious question though.
ECNL study was able to verify one case of on field transmission. That’s all I’ve seen.

Some combination of 1- outdoor activity has a lower risk of transmission, 2- contact tracing is difficult, and 3- athletic kids are very likely to be asymptomatic.

Between those three, you won’t see much. #1 says there is less to see. #2 and #3 say you often won’t see it even when it’s there.
 
You get the point. Creating distance in baseball is a solvable problem. Once you deal with the dugout, catcher, and umpire, you have almost no one close to anyone else. Make some minor rules changes if we have to, and let the kids play.

Presumably those solutions exist already in that there are rules in place already regarding distancing on bleachers and many facilities have the dugout roped off. But they aren't being honored. It means you'd have to send monitors to softball games to ensure compliance, which is actually in practice a trickier issue than a soccer game (since most of the team is not seated at any one time). This is an illustration of sometimes solutions being easier in the theorectical than in the actual practice. For example, you could put it on umpires to certify to leagues the teams are spaced out but the referees (as in Massachusetts with soccer) won't be happy with that and many will just refuse to do it.

The Massachusetts distancing rules are hard enough to enforce until you get to the GK (which is where it falls apart unless you mandate everyone must shoot from outside the PA). But even though it would be awful for the GK, soccer can be played with the GK just standing there to block shots like a foozball figure. Removing the catcher from play is a trickier rules modification because someone has to go and pick up the ball when it's thrown. Maybe have them pitch it into a bucket or something? Or add dogs to the team and have them fetch? Robots?
 
Presumably those solutions exist already in that there are rules in place already regarding distancing on bleachers and many facilities have the dugout roped off. But they aren't being honored. It means you'd have to send monitors to softball games to ensure compliance, which is actually in practice a trickier issue than a soccer game (since most of the team is not seated at any one time). This is an illustration of sometimes solutions being easier in the theorectical than in the actual practice. For example, you could put it on umpires to certify to leagues the teams are spaced out but the referees (as in Massachusetts with soccer) won't be happy with that and many will just refuse to do it.

The Massachusetts distancing rules are hard enough to enforce until you get to the GK (which is where it falls apart unless you mandate everyone must shoot from outside the PA). But even though it would be awful for the GK, soccer can be played with the GK just standing there to block shots like a foozball figure. Removing the catcher from play is a trickier rules modification because someone has to go and pick up the ball when it's thrown. Maybe have them pitch it into a bucket or something? Or add dogs to the team and have them fetch? Robots?

That argument is at once both valid and ridiculous.

We know people will refuse to actually enforce a reasonable set of rules, so we’re going to implement a completely unreasonable set of rules instead.

Of course, if people were actually capable of following rules, we wouldn’t be in this situation.
 
That argument is at once both valid and ridiculous.

We know people will refuse to actually enforce a reasonable set of rules, so we’re going to implement a completely unreasonable set of rules instead.

Of course, if people were actually capable of following rules, we wouldn’t be in this situation.

Often times the failure of policy experiments are due to policy makers assuming people are angels, instead of devils. Communism would have worked perfectly if everyone was a saint.
 
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