Blues COVID email

[MSK357]

Disagree. Any intelligent plan 6 months ago puts us in decent shape now. Regionally there are huge parts of the country that never needed to suffer due to low population density. No one thought it through because they downplayed it starting in February, that cat is already out of the bag. Big businesses put plans in place immediately to have people work from home and completely change their operations overnight and they're capitalizing on it now. We could've tapped into that easily just like we did in 2008. Our only and biggest mistake is your way of thinking; fact is we lacked the ability to be creative and plan and take it seriously. The USA should've been a model for this. Even after 9/11 we had threat levels, we took it seriously, plans were being made to protect people.

Tell me honestly, how would Biden have done better? Our other future choice as president. He straight up admitted that Trumps decision to ban chinese nationals was a good call. He, along with many democrat leaders at the time called him racist for doing that. At that time, he said he would not have banned travel. knowing this information, how could you honestly say Biden would have been better? When Trump created the coronavirus task force, banned travel, and tried to ramp up testing, Democrat leaders were literally out in the streets telling people to come visit chinatown and that the virus was nothing to be afraid of. Even mainstream media was saying that there was nothing to be afraid of, based off "Science". Our expert Fauci told the public they didnt need masks. Trump, if you look at his actions, was ahead of the curve compared to our democrat leaders. Its comical to listen to the left and the media (who was the first to call it a "Chinese/Wuhan Virus") blame Trump months later.

Nancy Pelosi Visits San Francisco's Chinatown Amid Coronavirus Concerns

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi toured San Francisco’s Chinatown Monday to send a message. She said there’s no reason tourists or locals should be staying away from the area because of coronavirus concerns.

www.nbcbayarea.com

Mayor de Blasio Encourages New Yorkers to Visit Asian-American Owned Small Businesses

Mayor Bill de Blasio declares Flushing, Queens open for business.

www1.nyc.gov

Biden campaign says he backs Trump's China travel ban | CNN Politics

Joe Biden's campaign said Friday the former vice president supports President Donald Trump's January 31 decision to ban foreign nationals who had been in China within the previous 14 days from entering the United States.

www.cnn.com

BANNED
DOMINIC

 

[Kicker4Life]

Disagree. Any intelligent plan 6 months ago puts us in decent shape now. Regionally there are huge parts of the country that never needed to suffer due to low population density. No one thought it through because they downplayed it starting in February, that cat is already out of the bag. Big businesses put plans in place immediately to have people work from home and completely change their operations overnight and they're capitalizing on it now. We could've tapped into that easily just like we did in 2008. Our only and biggest mistake is your way of thinking; fact is we lacked the ability to be creative and plan and take it seriously. The USA should've been a model for this. Even after 9/11 we had threat levels, we took it seriously, plans were being made to protect people.

You forgot, in your opinion.

 

[Jose has returned]

There have only been 3 plans in the world that have been successful. They invovle:

1. Being an island and locking your border before it becomes a problem
2. Being a communist dictatorship capable of forcing testing, separating families, throwing dissenters into jail, and welding people into apartments.
3. Australia. The problem with Australia though is they are at a minimum looking at repeated lockdowns each time the thing surges, or a perpetual lockdown. You also have to lockdown intraprovince transport (banned by the US Constitution) and seal your border (tough consider our southern outbreak was fueled in significant part by the really bad outbreak in Mexico).

Nowhere else has been successful. Some have mitigated better than others (though Norway and Denmark now seem to indicate that has more to do with luck than anything). Some have done better than others, sometimes with draconian measure (see SK). But government containment measures other than the above 3 cases have been almost uniformly a disaster, and regardless of the type of government the country has.

regarding #1 the island NZ did that and they were great then someone came in and started it up. Doing what they did only delays the inevitable if it was to flatten the curve like the professionals sold us on they did good but sooner or later they will have it. IMO

 

[thelonggame]

Tell me honestly, how would Biden have done better? Our other future choice as president. He straight up admitted that Trumps decision to ban chinese nationals was a good call. He, along with many democrat leaders at the time called him racist for doing that. At that time, he said he would not have banned travel. knowing this information, how could you honestly say Biden would have been better? When Trump created the coronavirus task force, banned travel, and tried to ramp up testing, Democrat leaders were literally out in the streets telling people to come visit chinatown and that the virus was nothing to be afraid of. Even mainstream media was saying that there was nothing to be afraid of, based off "Science". Our expert Fauci told the public they didnt need masks. Trump, if you look at his actions, was ahead of the curve compared to our democrat leaders. Its comical to listen to the left and the media (who was the first to call it a "Chinese/Wuhan Virus") blame Trump months later.

Nancy Pelosi Visits San Francisco's Chinatown Amid Coronavirus Concerns

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi toured San Francisco’s Chinatown Monday to send a message. She said there’s no reason tourists or locals should be staying away from the area because of coronavirus concerns.

www.nbcbayarea.com

Mayor de Blasio Encourages New Yorkers to Visit Asian-American Owned Small Businesses

Mayor Bill de Blasio declares Flushing, Queens open for business.

www1.nyc.gov

Biden campaign says he backs Trump's China travel ban | CNN Politics

Joe Biden's campaign said Friday the former vice president supports President Donald Trump's January 31 decision to ban foreign nationals who had been in China within the previous 14 days from entering the United States.

www.cnn.com

Mistakes were made at all levels initially, no argument. It was an impossible situation that we were presented with at that moment. We agree. I have read what you said, so now consider my opinion. We never had a chance because, as we know now, we were lied to from the very beginning by the one person who was supposed to lead us and because of that have been at war with ourselves every since. If we were not lied to, we would've made progress from the very beginning. This cannot be denied. Every problem in your life that starts in a lie ends in failure at some point.

Bring it back to soccer. Mindset. Over the years our GOATS presented themselves with problems after a game, when it matters. Either we saw the errors or they told us.. Did we deny that the issues exist or did we do everything we could to fix it? Did we ever allow them to have a losing mindset? How much $$$$ did we burn to make them better, every minute of every day. Videos, training, in the rain, in the sun, with friends, in the yard, alone. Tryouts, fail, succeed, fail, succeed. We have all been there. We are all soccer parents. But NEVER ONCE did we ever deny the problem and have any success as a result. The worst of us blamed the weather, blamed the other team, blamed the coach (ok, we had reasons). And every time we blamed, over time, we learned that the player could eventually figure it out in some way if we gave them tools to do so, we learned who the GOAT really was. Some of us are still in denial about our player, that's the worst of us. But we never gave up and we never, ever, ever let our kid give up and we always found a way to make our kid better and gave them every resource we could until the bitter end. The resources of parents are never ending when it comes to soccer. We have lived it.

Bring it back to the pandemic. We blamed everyone. We endlessly denied. We used resources poorly over and over and over. We hid from it. We did everything we would never do as parents. We never faced the problem. As a nation, we never even competed. It's embarassing that on 9/11 that we are still facing a bigger problem than we had 19 years ago. Denial. At least with the current incoming folks, there is reason for optimism and hope. We totally don't have that now. There is no message of hope, it is only fear and running way from issues that are real. Just go outside today and try to breath. With this mindset, every one of our GOATS would be a failure.

 

[Emma]

This is where I am. From what I see, the socialization before and after the game are considerably higher risks than the actual soccer game. We are shown by the students going back to college that when people who haven't been around each other start socializing in any normal manner, the virus will spread.

I agree. That's why - if you want to have lunch after, go to a park and sit spaced out a little. If not, don't do it at all. A lot of our socializing has been with distance. There's no more hugging or rough playing. Talking is done with distance and space bt people. This might actually teach our kids to respect personal space.

 

[dad4]

There have only been 3 plans in the world that have been successful. They invovle:

1. Being an island and locking your border before it becomes a problem
2. Being a communist dictatorship capable of forcing testing, separating families, throwing dissenters into jail, and welding people into apartments.
3. Australia. The problem with Australia though is they are at a minimum looking at repeated lockdowns each time the thing surges, or a perpetual lockdown. You also have to lockdown intraprovince transport (banned by the US Constitution) and seal your border (tough consider our southern outbreak was fueled in significant part by the really bad outbreak in Mexico).

Nowhere else has been successful. Some have mitigated better than others (though Norway and Denmark now seem to indicate that has more to do with luck than anything). Some have done better than others, sometimes with draconian measure (see SK). But government containment measures other than the above 3 cases have been almost uniformly a disaster, and regardless of the type of government the country has.

Island, dictatorship, or Australia, you say....

Which one is Germany? They are democratic, continental, and not currently part of Australia.

And they are completely kicking our butts on virus control.

 

[Grace T.]

Island, dictatorship, or Australia, you say....

Which one is Germany? They are democratic, continental, and not currently part of Australia.

And they are completely kicking our butts on virus control.

Once again you and I agree, but not for the reasons you think. Germany has employed a targeted lockdown approach which seems to have been more effective for less pain than the mass lockdowns employed by the US, Spain or the UK. Germany has had less testing than we have throughout, and their testing is less sensitive leading to fewer false positives and they restrict their testing to symptomatics or confirmed exposures. Germany has only until very recently had a mask policy, and it makes a lot more sense (being restricted in most states to transport and indoors). Germany has scaled back its vast ambitions on test and trace to things more targeted, such as workplace and school transmissions. Germany has schools open despite the rising case count. Germany has adopted a go-slow approach to the vaccine, in stark contrast to either project Warp Speed or the UK approach. Germany in stark contrast to its northern neighbors or NY/NJ, has been very restrictive with its nursing homes and didn't order them to take COVID positive patients. Germany has made an effective but non draconian use of quarantines for people returning from summer holidays. All good stuff. I'd be in favor.

But since they are doing in many respects less than we are (including a failure to travel ban Spain where a ton of Germans keep holiday homes), I don't think it's the government policies that are holding it off. In fact, at this point, it's got to be either: cross immunity, cross vaccinations, genetics or seasonality. Have they done better and at less cost? Yes, and I like it. But they haven't been able to hold off the virus since cases in Germany are now higher daily than in Sweden. Indeed, I was reading a Spanish paper this morning which postulates the reason for the difference between the Spanish and Germans is that the Spanish have very extended friends and families and are very social and touchy feely while the Germans are much more distant and have smaller extended families--- it may be as simple as that. But their curve is beginning to look a lot like Los Angeles'. In the end I think they will do better than us, but the virus is going to virus so when we look back on it a year from now I don't think we'll be able to say they kicked our butts. Time will tell....so far given what's happening in Scandinavia (where previously spared Norway and Denmark are now having issues), Sweden may have the last laugh.

Germany’s New Virus Infections Rise to Highest Level Since April

Germany’s new coronavirus cases increased at the highest pace since April as the nation’s public health authority warned that the situation continued to be “dynamic and serious.”

www.bloomberg.com

Germany COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Germany Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

 

[messy]

Once again you and I agree, but not for the reasons you think. Germany has employed a targeted lockdown approach which seems to have been more effective for less pain than the mass lockdowns employed by the US, Spain or the UK. Germany has had less testing than we have throughout, and their testing is less sensitive leading to fewer false positives and they restrict their testing to symptomatics or confirmed exposures. Germany has only until very recently had a mask policy, and it makes a lot more sense (being restricted in most states to transport and indoors). Germany has scaled back its vast ambitions on test and trace to things more targeted, such as workplace and school transmissions. Germany has schools open despite the rising case count. Germany has adopted a go-slow approach to the vaccine, in stark contrast to either project Warp Speed or the UK approach. Germany in stark contrast to its northern neighbors or NY/NJ, has been very restrictive with its nursing homes and didn't order them to take COVID positive patients. Germany has made an effective but non draconian use of quarantines for people returning from summer holidays. All good stuff. I'd be in favor.

But since they are doing in many respects less than we are (including a failure to travel ban Spain where a ton of Germans keep holiday homes), I don't think it's the government policies that are holding it off. In fact, at this point, it's got to be either: cross immunity, cross vaccinations, genetics or seasonality. Have they done better and at less cost? Yes, and I like it. But they haven't been able to hold off the virus since cases in Germany are now higher daily than in Sweden. Indeed, I was reading a Spanish paper this morning which postulates the reason for the difference between the Spanish and Germans is that the Spanish have very extended friends and families and are very social and touchy feely while the Germans are much more distant and have smaller extended families--- it may be as simple as that. But their curve is beginning to look a lot like Los Angeles'. In the end I think they will do better than us, but the virus is going to virus so when we look back on it a year from now I don't think we'll be able to say they kicked our butts. Time will tell....so far given what's happening in Scandinavia (where previously spared Norway and Denmark are now having issues), Sweden may have the last laugh.

Germany’s New Virus Infections Rise to Highest Level Since April

Germany’s new coronavirus cases increased at the highest pace since April as the nation’s public health authority warned that the situation continued to be “dynamic and serious.”

www.bloomberg.com

Germany COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Germany Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

In a year from now Germany will have still kicked our butts. That’s already clear.
And today Trump told us we’re “turning the corner” and “the cases are plunging.” He is a complete danger to our republic.

WARNING
DOMINIC

 

[Grace T.]

In a year from now Germany will have still kicked our butts. That’s already clear.
And today Trump told us we’re “turning the corner” and “the cases are plunging.” He is a complete danger to our republic.

Once again all roads lead to politics....

 

[pewpew]

I thought this thread was originally about an email from Blues.......

 

[dad4]

Once again you and I agree, but not for the reasons you think. Germany has employed a targeted lockdown approach which seems to have been more effective for less pain than the mass lockdowns employed by the US, Spain or the UK. Germany has had less testing than we have throughout, and their testing is less sensitive leading to fewer false positives and they restrict their testing to symptomatics or confirmed exposures. Germany has only until very recently had a mask policy, and it makes a lot more sense (being restricted in most states to transport and indoors). Germany has scaled back its vast ambitions on test and trace to things more targeted, such as workplace and school transmissions. Germany has schools open despite the rising case count. Germany has adopted a go-slow approach to the vaccine, in stark contrast to either project Warp Speed or the UK approach. Germany in stark contrast to its northern neighbors or NY/NJ, has been very restrictive with its nursing homes and didn't order them to take COVID positive patients. Germany has made an effective but non draconian use of quarantines for people returning from summer holidays. All good stuff. I'd be in favor.

But since they are doing in many respects less than we are (including a failure to travel ban Spain where a ton of Germans keep holiday homes), I don't think it's the government policies that are holding it off. In fact, at this point, it's got to be either: cross immunity, cross vaccinations, genetics or seasonality. Have they done better and at less cost? Yes, and I like it. But they haven't been able to hold off the virus since cases in Germany are now higher daily than in Sweden. Indeed, I was reading a Spanish paper this morning which postulates the reason for the difference between the Spanish and Germans is that the Spanish have very extended friends and families and are very social and touchy feely while the Germans are much more distant and have smaller extended families--- it may be as simple as that. But their curve is beginning to look a lot like Los Angeles'. In the end I think they will do better than us, but the virus is going to virus so when we look back on it a year from now I don't think we'll be able to say they kicked our butts. Time will tell....so far given what's happening in Scandinavia (where previously spared Norway and Denmark are now having issues), Sweden may have the last laugh.

Germany’s New Virus Infections Rise to Highest Level Since April

Germany’s new coronavirus cases increased at the highest pace since April as the nation’s public health authority warned that the situation continued to be “dynamic and serious.”

www.bloomberg.com

Germany COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Germany Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

I wonder how much of Germany's response is less about what the rules are, and more about a willingness to follow rules.

To read the forums in the US, a good 20% of people think they have a God-given right to ignore public health regulations. We even had police chiefs refusing to enforce them, and holding press conferences to announce the fact.

It is no wonder the rules dont work if people ignore them.

 

[Kicker4Life]

In a year from now Germany will have still kicked our butts. That’s already clear.
And today Trump told us we’re “turning the corner” and “the cases are plunging.” He is a complete danger to our republic.

@Dominic please restrict him to OFFTOPIC. In his over 2,300 posts he has not contributed ONCE to a soccer discussion with anything related to the sport.

 

[Desert Hound]

I wonder how much of Germany's response is less about what the rules are, and more about a willingness to follow rules.

To read the forums in the US, a good 20% of people think they have a God-given right to ignore public health regulations. We even had police chiefs refusing to enforce them, and holding press conferences to announce the fact.

It is no wonder the rules dont work if people ignore them.

I think a lot has to do with location and other variables not related to gov edicts.

Based on the amount of positives CA should have many more deaths as an example. But yet for some reason the virus never took off. Really outside if the northeast, the virus has been far less deadly vs anywhere in the US.

And we see that same thing happen in other countries and even within regions of countries.

Go look at eastern europe. I don't think anyone will argue they have better healthcare or more efficient gov vs w europe, and yet their numbers are extremely low.

Many of those countries have lower numbers vs Germany. But I can tell you that when you travel to those places, it is obvious they are not as efficient/advanced/less corrupt, etc

 

[chiefs]

We were never in a position to beat it. Don't kid yourself.

perfectly said.

 

[Grace T.]

To read the forums in the US, a good 20% of people think they have a God-given right to ignore public health regulations. We even had police chiefs refusing to enforce them, and holding press conferences to announce the fact.

I don't really think that's it. Germans have had their own protest and party problems. Part of the 20% of the US isn't complying with rules which Germany doesn't have in place because the US rules are much less reasonable (masks outside, youth sports). Yes, I'd buy Germans are more compliance but if you say 20% of US isn't adhering, I'd put the German number at 10%....enough to help, not enough. The most compelling explanation I think really is the Spanish one-- it's cultural: personal body space (Spaniards are practically hugging each other when socializing), family size, amount of socialization, and yes general social distance compliance

Germany weighs curbs on private parties – DW – 08/24/2020

Private parties have been blamed for fueling a rise in COVID-19 cases across Germany. While some states are calling for federal restrictions on such gatherings, those with lower rates of infection disagree.

www.dw.com

 

[kickingandscreaming]

I thought this thread was originally about an email from Blues.......

Ok, here’s my (mostly) accurate summary of how it went off the rails.

p. 1 to about p. 2.5 - I know something you don’t know about Blues, but I won’t tell you.

• Aw, c’mon, tell me. You won’t tell?
  • You are wrong for that
  • You are wrong for bringing it up
  • You are wrong for not telling us as we have a pandemic
    • You got Blue’s Envy (implied)
    • MYOFB

p. 2.5 *** Initial tangent: 35% get myocarditis

• Followed by corrections and comparisons to other diseases

p. 3.5 *** 2nd tangent: Monopoly in soccer is debated
p. 3.5 - 5 (Back to topic) Three people got it at Blues

• BFD
• You b1+ches overreacted, again
• It’s good that Blues shared
• Distance, mask, wash your hands, STFU
• TLR
• Blues Envy (stated)
• It’s not an overreaction, you selfish SOB
  • You are gonna kill grandma (implied)
• Distance, mask, wash your hands, STFU
• If’s all fun until someone dies
• …

 

[kickingandscreaming]

Ok, here’s my (mostly) accurate summary of how it went off the rails.

p. 1 to about p. 2.5 - I know something you don’t know about Blues, but I won’t tell you.

• Aw, c’mon, tell me. You won’t tell?
  • You are wrong for that
  • You are wrong for bringing it up
  • You are wrong for not telling us as we have a pandemic
    • You got Blue’s Envy (implied)
    • MYOFB

p. 2.5 *** Initial tangent: 35% get myocarditis

• Followed by corrections and comparisons to other diseases

p. 3.5 *** 2nd tangent: Monopoly in soccer is debated
p. 3.5 - 5 (Back to topic) Three people got it at Blues

• BFD
• You b1+ches overreacted, again
• It’s good that Blues shared
• Distance, mask, wash your hands, STFU
• TLR
• Blues Envy (stated)
• It’s not an overreaction, you selfish SOB
  • You are gonna kill grandma (implied)
• Distance, mask, wash your hands, STFU
• If’s all fun until someone dies
• …

TLR --> TL : DR

 

[Anon9]

@Dominic please restrict him to OFFTOPIC. In his over 2,300 posts he has not contributed ONCE to a soccer discussion with anything related to the sport.

That’s because he has no kids in youth soccer!! LOL

 

[messy]

That’s because he has no kids in youth soccer!! LOL

Except of course that I do. I’m actually on my 17th year as a club and DA soccer dad. So bad guess. Looking forward to LA opening up scrimmages...training in isolated boxes only goes so far. Kids are the last thought of politicians and maybe, these days, also scientists...

 

[gotothebushes]

That’s because he has no kids in youth soccer!! LOL

You should be asleep! You have a big game in AZ don't you?