Jose has returned
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as they should all the ones I know do.
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Jose has returned
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sounds like a good plan. Protect yourself it really works. My work place had an out break 30 got it 30 did not. one side let their guard down and others did not. I was one who let his guard down after being vigilant. I had a co worker in a closed cab truck wearing a mask while i was exposed and developed symptoms the next day. He never got sick. Clean your space, wash your hands, mask and SD when possible. Its not hard. If you area caretaker then protect hose that can't protect themselves. Hospital workers are not getting this like they did in the beginning they use their universal precaution protocol like they are supposed to. If you do that you will be fine. If you are still worried stay home and protect your family. But this isn't going anywhere for a while.
Messi>CR7
GOLD
My kids might feel differently, but not hanging out with other parents before, during, and after the game? I love it!
Again mischaracterizes what I'm saying. NY and NJ are just an example of what happens when you scream shark and overreact to a situation which makes the situation far worse. Those states actions were in direct contradiction to what the guidance from the CDC was. Now I'll will grant you that because NY was hit first they were to some extent a victim of timing (I mentioned that in another thread) but there were also other factors like NY (particularly NYC) having the worst rated hospitals for quality and safety in the US due to State budget cuts.
Certainly emotion and anecdotal information plays a roll in shaping our opinions. Anecdotally for me, I directly know 2 people during this time period that have OD'd or committed suicide (one adult, one teenager), one teenager that attempted suicide, and one teenager at our high school that committed suicide. On the other hand, I only know 2 people directly that have had Covid (only with flu like symptoms) and a friend of a friend that was hospitalized with Covid. I also have an 88 year old mom with co-conditions who says being on lockdown and not seeing her grandchildren is not living...so she sees her grandchildren on a fairly regular basis. So that's my emotional perspective...now let's look at the facts.
Dr. Birx said from the beginning that we have to look at and fight the virus on a "granular", or county by county basis. So let's look at SD County where I live. Its done a tremendous job despite the fact that its a border town where many of the cases have originated. Overall only .097% of the population has been hospitalized being Covid positive, and only .022% have died as Covid positive. Those percentages decrease dramatically the younger you are. This is worst case scenario since it doesn't consider cause of death from comorbidities. Covid is serious, but its not the boogieman that some are making it out to be whether out of fear, or out of the power to control people's behavior.
| Hospitalized | Deaths | ||||
| SD | Covid | % of | Covid | % of | |
| Age Group | Population | Positive | Pop. | Positive | Pop. |
| 0-9 Years | 433,599 | 43 | 0.010% | - | 0.000% |
| 10-19 Years | 433,694 | 48 | 0.011% | - | 0.000% |
| 20-29 Years | 530,918 | 194 | 0.037% | 3 | 0.001% |
| 30-39 Years | 490,007 | 282 | 0.058% | 5 | 0.001% |
| 40-49 Years | 399,146 | 355 | 0.089% | 28 | 0.007% |
| 50-59 Years | 404,442 | 605 | 0.150% | 61 | 0.015% |
| 60-69 Years | 340,330 | 676 | 0.199% | 131 | 0.038% |
| 70-79 Years | 199,891 | 514 | 0.257% | 162 | 0.081% |
| 80+ Years | 119,827 | 534 | 0.446% | 335 | 0.280% |
| Total | 3,351,856 | 3,251 | 0.097% | 725 | 0.022% |
thelonggame
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I appreciate the facts. Here's the issue. This is a public health emergency. You're looking at local data, so that should make you us all feel better when we go to the market or a restaurant if we follow all the rules. But why apply this data to soccer? Unlike 30 years ago, the sport is not all local. We're always interacting with a lot of people in almost every situation in a competitive game, especially a tournament. And because it's soccer, it's every segment of the population, some who are more at risk and those at low risk. Public health takes into account everybody, so crossing city and state lines makes whatever is happening in your particular area meaningless and not only throws off the data it increases the risk so that the rules need to apply to everyone. Every American at the moment has a relative either at risk, depressed, financially strapped. No one is immune to this. No one should be looking at the world today as if it was a year ago, and people are and that's what's causing the stress.
Actually, all I really care about, which I've said many times, is getting kids back in school which can be confined locally for the most part. It's abhorrent to me that kids are being used as political pawns as I've claimed previously and which is now been confirmed by the LA County "Health" Director.
Soccer is a luxury compared to education. I don't know anyone that would complain too much if kids were only allowed to have games within their own county. We were informed by our coach that we would play SD County teams to start the MLS League season.
Ultimately, the US is not well designed to handle a pandemic due to the freedoms we're guaranteed. It is a public health crisis that hopefully we will learn from, but its a public health crisis the impacts very few, particularly children which evidence indicates aren't significant spreaders. There has to be reasonable decisions made based on science and not emotion or politics.
Desert Hound
DA
Actually no government is really prepared to handle a new virus.
I was just doing a count of deaths in W. Europe. Total is 176k in that region. They didn't nail it either. Many of those countries are now seeing spikes in cases that are equal to or higher vs their original wave. Their lockdowns certainly didnt eliminate the virus. As they open up, the virus is there.
Some of what the virus does is luck it seems. As posted earlier Africa has experts confused as to why they have had so few deaths. One would expect they would have gotten hit hard.
Our family spends a lot of time in a Lake Tahoe....we are heading up next month. Weather starts to get cold. Many, many small businesses there...restaurants, bars, shops, etc. that cater to vacationers and residents. Also resorts, etc. Temperature is going to drop, these businesses will no longer be able to rely on parking lot tables/venues...that town is going to be in a serious world of hurt under the current regulations. It could put the town in real financial jeopardy.
Going to be real interesting what happens IMHO. Will they “magically” get an exception, will the “data” work in their favor? What will our State Leadership do? As California Turns...
Forget Covid, what about TB? Anybody take a look at that? Lots of stuff out there that will make you sick, and or kill you. Let’s just wear bubble suits and have the kids play soccer in the bubble balls...That will protect us all from everything, right? Open in other places. California is “too smart” to take that risk.
Saw a comedian online that suggested you might as well add a condom to to your mask and glove uniform to be extra protected and protect yourself against STD’s...They are out there. Be careful he said...made me laugh.
Cancer, Heart Disease, Obesity....nobody going after processed foods/beverages with High Fructose Corn Syrup, or other dangerous ingredients...Many many things more deadly than Covid and with long term effects as well. No reform required there though right?
Just wear your mask, social distance, take a year from your kids childhood...it’s for the greater good, it’s a Pandemic you know....This whole thing is as political as some of the other things on in our country - just look at the State Leadership, and that of some of the Teacher’s Unions - World Peace, Wealth Tax demands...Jesus...
The data shows healthy under 50 have a low low low mortality rates...multiple sources...Are people still denying this? Anybody else out there feel there are quite a few degrees of manipulation going on?
Short week, just tired of doing my kid’s teachers job for them and figuring out why they only have 30 minute Zoom Classes and school ends at 12pm...it’s about 5‘0 Clock for me once I remember/figure out how to teach one of my kids Trig (I thought I was done with this shit).
Going to be real interesting what happens IMHO. Will they “magically” get an exception, will the “data” work in their favor? What will our State Leadership do? As California Turns...
Forget Covid, what about TB? Anybody take a look at that? Lots of stuff out there that will make you sick, and or kill you. Let’s just wear bubble suits and have the kids play soccer in the bubble balls...That will protect us all from everything, right? Open in other places. California is “too smart” to take that risk.
Saw a comedian online that suggested you might as well add a condom to to your mask and glove uniform to be extra protected and protect yourself against STD’s...They are out there. Be careful he said...made me laugh.
Cancer, Heart Disease, Obesity....nobody going after processed foods/beverages with High Fructose Corn Syrup, or other dangerous ingredients...Many many things more deadly than Covid and with long term effects as well. No reform required there though right?
Just wear your mask, social distance, take a year from your kids childhood...it’s for the greater good, it’s a Pandemic you know....This whole thing is as political as some of the other things on in our country - just look at the State Leadership, and that of some of the Teacher’s Unions - World Peace, Wealth Tax demands...Jesus...
The data shows healthy under 50 have a low low low mortality rates...multiple sources...Are people still denying this? Anybody else out there feel there are quite a few degrees of manipulation going on?
Short week, just tired of doing my kid’s teachers job for them and figuring out why they only have 30 minute Zoom Classes and school ends at 12pm...it’s about 5‘0 Clock for me once I remember/figure out how to teach one of my kids Trig (I thought I was done with this shit).
Predicting what this virus will do, rosy or doomsday, is a fools errand. That's why we need to learn to live with it.
thelonggame
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Dude, screw yourself. You are the most short sighted person on this forum. You care only about your kid improving at soccer and have organized public events that put people at risk just to do that despite the obvious risks involved. You are all about you. Fucking stay home.
Desert Hound
DA
Yep. Look at the data and go from there. We know who is at risk. And yet the solution offered up is to limit everyone.
And when someone says, let people live their life, if you are at risk stay home. The comeback is what if a kid has an at risk parent/grandparent at home? Basically them saying nobody should do anything. The obvious answer is...if you are living with someone at high risk then don't run around. That is the logical solution vs saying well some parent might be at risk...therefore nobody can do anything.
Eagle33
PREMIER
by the way how that tournament went @Luis Andres?
Eagle, I got PM two weeks ago it was called off because folks from HQ was not all too happy. A week later another pal told me some rumor mill stuff but I kept it to myself. I wasn;t 100% in the scoop was like Lulu. Luis, make the force be with you brother. Welcome back and, yes, I do believe in miracles and the fact your alive and well brings my heart great joy
thelonggame
SILVER ELITE
So public health applies to everyone except you? You get a magical exception because {insert reason}. Alerts apply to everyone but you should be able to live your life. Your logic is based on your risk level, damn everyone else. That's why this is a public health emergency. When the emergency is gone, you can resume business as usual. Why is that so hard to understand?
Eagle33
PREMIER
damn, I was really hoping for this to happen and pave the way for the rest of us......Eagle, I got PM two weeks ago it was called off because folks from HQ was not all too happy. A week later another pal told me some rumor mill stuff but I kept it to myself. I wasn;t 100% in the scoop was like Lulu. Luis, make the force be with you brother. Welcome back and, yes, I do believe in miracles and the fact your alive and well brings my heart great joy
thelonggame
SILVER ELITE
Kids are not being used as pawns. Every time schools try to open up again some kids get sick and they have to shut it down to protect the greatest number.
Desert Hound
DA
Because of a number of reasons not in order of importance.
- We have no idea how long this will last. Do we kill off business, harm education, etc on and on, not knowing when this will end?
- We know the vast majority of people have little to no risk
- We know who is at risk, and they are the ones who should be staying out of the public
- We are killing off business and the jobs associated with them
- We are severely reducing tax revenue to fed, state, local entities which in turn will mean cutbacks in services they provide
- Etc etc.
We are now 7 months into this we no end in sight. At some point you have to pull up your pants and start going on with life.
Desert Hound
DA
Correction. Tests positive (not sick)...then people like you freak out.
Under 24yr old aged individuals have about 360 or so total deaths related to covid out of 195k. Their risk profile in that age group is flu like.
Someone around here published the university numbers. 26k or so tested positive since they have gone back to the universities. ZERO hospitalizations
thelonggame
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Try that last sentence again without the reference to manning up because we already know people go to work in unsafe environments because they have to, not because they're trying to man up. You interact with those people every day when they serve you food or ring you up at the supermarket. There's enough stories out there about people who were in great shape and got worked by COVID. All the reasons are important and everyone can appreciate them. And the reasons for all of them also apply to you.