Better team vs. more play time

Way too young to be worrying about playing at the "big" club. Screw them. He needs to play and play different positions.

If you leave on good terms... aka no drama and bail during the season or during tryouts after accepting an offer, I'd bet they'll take him back in 5 years. And really, who knows if that's a place you'll even want to be in 5 years?
 
Switch clubs. At 9, he should be having fun. I get it's not recreational soccer and playing time doesn't have to be equal but if he's *THAT good and his age group isn't and you've moved him up because of that, it's time to move on.
 
Slobodan said:
Way too young to be worrying about playing at the "big" club. Screw them. He needs to play and play different positions.

If you leave on good terms... aka no drama and bail during the season or during tryouts after accepting an offer, I'd bet they'll take him back in 5 years. And really, who knows if that's a place you'll even want to be in 5 years?
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Perfect response!
 
Slobodan said:
Way too young to be worrying about playing at the "big" club. Screw them. He needs to play and play different positions.

If you leave on good terms... aka no drama and bail during the season or during tryouts after accepting an offer, I'd bet they'll take him back in 5 years. And really, who knows if that's a place you'll even want to be in 5 years?
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If we leave we will leave on good terms, small world so we won’t burn any bridges.

So next year they move from 7v7 to 9v9, doubt that makes any difference, thought I would mention it.
 
SuperSoccerStar said:
because your not doing the same thing playing basketball. Its also my opinion which I stated.
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The reason why Futsal helps when players are young is because 7v7 9v9 fields are smaller which means the skills Futsal provides translate directly.

Once players get to 11v11 there's less in tight situations where skills alone are the differentiator. A larger field favors speed, ability to pass further, runs on a larger field where there's a bigger cost/benefit.

In tight Futsal skills don't hurt players once they hit 11v11. Its just the improvement Futsal provides isn't as dramatic as when played on smaller fields.

This is why you don't see as many older Futsal players. They want to spend their time focusing on 11v11 field. Which is fine.
 
NotFromCali said:
If we leave we will leave on good terms, small world so we won’t burn any bridges.

So next year they move from 7v7 to 9v9, doubt that makes any difference, thought I would mention it.
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Moving to the full size field is where everything changes. I'd say, right now, your #1 priority has to be that kid's love for wanting to play. Club is very different from wRECk in the sense that it's longer, more tedious practices to emphasize foot skills and tactical. He'll quit if he doesn't play.

That said, I don't think futsal is ever bad or a waste of time. When you warm up... what does everyone do? Small circle with 2 or 3 inside and do quick, 1 touch passing under extreme duress. To me that's futsal.
 
Grace T. said:
Caveat at this age: unless a gk. Then he should be the top 1-4 players (and therefore shielded from the usual criticism), or less ideally (since they won’t develop as fast) on a team that wins 2/3 of the games. Prob same for full time cb in most cases.
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Slobodan said:
Moving to the full size field is where everything changes. I'd say, right now, your #1 priority has to be that kid's love for wanting to play. Club is very different from wRECk in the sense that it's longer, more tedious practices to emphasize foot skills and tactical. He'll quit if he doesn't play.

That said, I don't think futsal is ever bad or a waste of time. When you warm up... what does everyone do? Small circle with 2 or 3 inside and do quick, 1 touch passing under extreme duress. To me that's futsal.
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I hate that rondo with everyone in a circle and 2-3 players inside to put pressure. If the coach is doing that beyond age 10 (or players who are older but low flight team very new to club) the coach is either being lazy, doesn’t care or doesn’t know what they are doing. There are so many better rondos that actually teach possession. Even at the academy level, they are doing short sided alternating square possession rondos well into the teens (at least… don’t know about olders) which do in fact replicate futsal training. My complaint with the non academy letter league teams is most so rarely train the long game (field space limitations) or set pieces (gks, corners, dfks) and then complain about when the player (usually the gk) f it up during the game: well you never gd trained it!
 
Carlsbad7 said:
The reason why Futsal helps when players are young is because 7v7 9v9 fields are smaller which means the skills Futsal provides translate directly.

Once players get to 11v11 there's less in tight situations where skills alone are the differentiator. A larger field favors speed, ability to pass further, runs on a larger field where there's a bigger cost/benefit.

In tight Futsal skills don't hurt players once they hit 11v11. Its just the improvement Futsal provides isn't as dramatic as when played on smaller fields.

This is why you don't see as many older Futsal players. They want to spend their time focusing on 11v11 field. Which is fine.
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I don't think the benefits of futsal after you get older i.e. 13 as my original post said makes any sense. Your time could be spent elsewhere training on other things and the also increased injury aspect just makes it a no for me.
 
Slobodan said:
Moving to the full size field is where everything changes. I'd say, right now, your #1 priority has to be that kid's love for wanting to play. Club is very different from wRECk in the sense that it's longer, more tedious practices to emphasize foot skills and tactical. He'll quit if he doesn't play.

That said, I don't think futsal is ever bad or a waste of time. When you warm up... what does everyone do? Small circle with 2 or 3 inside and do quick, 1 touch passing under extreme duress. To me that's futsal.
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I would say futsal is a great idea at 9 years old. I would even get on a competitive team and play in tournaments.
 
The coaches on this club are aggressive and they are parents of kids who are on the team or on another team in the club.
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Run away...!!!

NotFromCali said:
My wife thinks if we leave this club (probably best club around), it will ruin his chances for advancement up to High School possibly college.

But my thoughts if he’s not playing now and advancing as a player and getting better/having fun then he won’t get better/hurting his confidence.

I think we are overthinking this. Probably should just move clubs and get a fresh start. This current club is just too aggressive too early.
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You are definitely over thinking this. His chances are base on his ability, not what team he was on when he was 9. If he loves soccer, keeps it up and happens to win the puberty lottery, he'll move up. Otherwise he won't.

Again, most of the kids on this awesome team will quit soccer. Keep him playing.
 
focomoso said:
Run away...!!!


You are definitely over thinking this. His chances are base on his ability, not what team he was on when he was 9. If he loves soccer, keeps it up and happens to win the puberty lottery, he'll move up. Otherwise he won't.

Again, most of the kids on this awesome team will quit soccer. Keep him playing.
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Thx man, yeah we are gonna move him + his younger brother to this other smaller club focused on player development and more playing time. We know the coaching director there who my kids really like, and we have connectivity to.
 
Question on when is it a normal thing not to be played as much during games? My ds is a 2012 (so ses 12), and is on a team where he has been played 15 mins per game during tournaments. We talked to the coach to see what he can do as a player to have more opportunity to play during games. He said he has to show him she has the confidence.
He is a very confident defender, not just us parents saying this but parents and other players have spoken on this to us and everyone. The coach has been playing her as a midfielder (not a position she is used to). He plays other players who are beat constantly as defenders but wants our ds as a midfielder...
What can we do here? Our son's confidence is tanking but because of the lack of play time. He has said verbally he doesn't feel the coach rates him well enough.
 
ScrParentSocal said:
Question on when is it a normal thing not to be played as much during games? My ds is a 2012 (so ses 12), and is on a team where he has been played 15 mins per game during tournaments. We talked to the coach to see what he can do as a player to have more opportunity to play during games. He said he has to show him she has the confidence.
He is a very confident defender, not just us parents saying this but parents and other players have spoken on this to us and everyone. The coach has been playing her as a midfielder (not a position she is used to). He plays other players who are beat constantly as defenders but wants our ds as a midfielder...
What can we do here? Our son's confidence is tanking but because of the lack of play time. He has said verbally he doesn't feel the coach rates him well enough.
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Normal?

15 minutes per game is very much on the low end. There are plenty of teams where everyone who shows up to practice gets to play for at least half a game.
 
ScrParentSocal said:
Question on when is it a normal thing not to be played as much during games? My ds is a 2012 (so ses 12), and is on a team where he has been played 15 mins per game during tournaments. We talked to the coach to see what he can do as a player to have more opportunity to play during games. He said he has to show him she has the confidence.
He is a very confident defender, not just us parents saying this but parents and other players have spoken on this to us and everyone. The coach has been playing her as a midfielder (not a position she is used to). He plays other players who are beat constantly as defenders but wants our ds as a midfielder...
What can we do here? Our son's confidence is tanking but because of the lack of play time. He has said verbally he doesn't feel the coach rates him well enough.
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Imho, confidence is really important at that age, similar to having fun. At about that age, my son was on a high-level team playing up a year and you could see his confidence waining as he struggled for playing time. He resisted going to practice and didn't like any of the kids on the team.

He moved down a tier and into his age group and things changed immediately. More playing time, but also more responsibility and more respect from his coach and teammates. People fear that going down will hurt them later, but it was the opposite for my kid. It gave him the platform to move back up 2 years later and I'm convinced he was better when he came back than if he had struggled through.
 
NotFromCali said:
My wife thinks if we leave this club (probably best club around), it will ruin his chances for advancement up to High School possibly college.
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No offense to your wife, but this mentality is what the big clubs prey on. IMHO this mentality can lead to burnout of your child in the long run. Talent doesn't ruin chances, but FOMO can ruin passion.

Dirty little secret. By the time kids reach 15-16 the truly passionate and talented kids are at least playing at an MLS Academy. Most (not all) of the other kids left playing for non-academy MLS Next and ECNL boys teams are passionate kids with average talent, because the other athletically gifted kids have moved on to other sports.
 
watfly said:
Most (not all) of the other kids left playing for non-academy MLS Next and ECNL boys teams are passionate kids with average talent, because the other athletically gifted kids have moved on to other sports.
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People say that a lot, but many, many kids end up going to D1 programs from non-academy MLS or ECNL teams. It depends a lot on the kid and the circumstances.
 
focomoso said:
People say that a lot, but many, many kids end up going to D1 programs from non-academy MLS or ECNL teams. It depends a lot on the kid and the circumstances.
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In San Diego, its not many, but definitely some. It helps if the ECNL team is SD Surf. Maybe average is not a fair characterization, but definitely tier 2 kids that have become tier 1 due to attrition, so its all relative. It doesn't disqualify them from playing D1, but odds aren't great that they will be a scholarship D1. Of course, D1 kids have to have the grades too.
 
Zeke said:
Normal?

15 minutes per game is very much on the low end. There are plenty of teams where everyone who shows up to practice gets to play for at least half a game.
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Agreed. There are teams where players don't show up to any practices and play the entire game. While those who consistently attend practice split minutes with others who also attend practice.
 
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