Bad News Thread

Grace T. said:
playing teacher again...your least effective technique.....to be effective as a teacher you have to carry at least a modicum of respect
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I thought you might take the opportunity to clarify your content.
 
Bruddah IZ said:
Itʻs always been “why not both”. Except “why not both” is now riding on the coat tails of a global economic shut down because of a well known virus. Leveraging a .0002 IFR to shut down the global economy is pure fear mongering.
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IFR varies for different segments of the population. Assuming R0 of 2 (which is low for delta) for 18-49 yr with this virus its IFR 150/1000000 = 0.0002. For 65+ the IFR is 0.026, 130X higher (both numbers from CDC). That higher IFR is going to include seniors who have taken care of themselves and those that have not. Like you say, simply being alive for a long time imposes long term damage and increased susceptibility. So the collective approach assumes the 0.0002 crowd will go along with public health policies to protect the 0.026 crowd. I don't think there's a hard number for what the IFR is for vaxxed 65+, but it will almost certainly be greatly reduced. So was that worth it? A global pandemic was always going to be scary, but you are also right in that we could have from the get go gone to herd immunity without any guardrails. But that's a value issue and with all such things everybody will see it through one lens or another.
 
Newsom says state employees and health care workers must vaccinate or test weekly.

Newsom is going to be placed under an enormous pressure to do something further by his health advisors. Even though he is still in a comfortable (48/43) lead in the recall his enthusiasm rating is down and 54% of voters want a new governor 2022. Rock and a hard place for him.
 
whatithink said:
The poor (everywhere) will be the worse impacted. BTW, in a blue sky world, there is no need for any person on this planet to be without food or shelter or access to reasonable health care or education.
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Actually there are a variety of climate scientists that talk about this...but in a different way. Bjorn Lomberg (spelling) is one.

He makes a few points.

IPCC reports that even under the best of circumstances we reduce the temp by 2100 by a rather small amount vs not doing anything.

He and others make the point that money would be better spent on mitigation efforts and saving the lives of 100s of millions by spending money on clean water, electricity, etc.

Further points include by building out poorer countries now, eventually they become cleaner. Initially they utilize the cheaper options for energy, etc because that is what they can afford. As things improve, people around the world have shown to have a history of wanting to go cleaner.
 
Grace T. said:
Electric cars help but the batteries are also a drag on the environment so it’s not all a help. Solar power? You have t heard the California commercials asking us to conserve from 4-7 because of the problems with solar production…if you really felt this way you’d go nuclear.
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If climate change due to emissions were the threat it is stated to be, then the very same people should be advocating nuclear power now. It is the cleanest most efficient form of energy we have. Do that up until another / better way of producing sustainable energy is found.

By the way most people driving electric vehicles get their power from power plants utilizing fossil fuels. So if we are going to ramp up the use of electric vehicles, we need to ramp up construction of fossil fuel powered power plants. The joke about electric vehicles is that most have a LONG tailpipe.

Then as grace points out, the massive mining efforts to get the materials needed to produce batteries, and the energy needed to mine and produce said batteries.
 
Grace T. said:
Re climate change you are perpetuating the myth that it’s easy.
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I always tell people to look around their home/office, etc. Pretty much everything they own or use, uses petroleum byproducts in their manufacturing and/or in the transportation to market. Everything.

We are not moving away from that reality in any time in the near to mid term future at a min.
 
Desert Hound said:
It isn't even close to 50% anymore. Walk into any store, etc. The person wearing the mask is now the oddity...and is probably vaccinated as well.
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and the one's whining and crying over the fact they jumped first in line. I have to deal with the same folks. They will always hate me because I dont agree with them about anything with regards to science. It's come down to my way or the highway. These asshats are ruining our lives because.......
 
Grace T. said:
Newsom says state employees and health care workers must vaccinate or test weekly.

Newsom is going to be placed under an enormous pressure to do something further by his health advisors. Even though he is still in a comfortable (48/43) lead in the recall his enthusiasm rating is down and 54% of voters want a new governor 2022. Rock and a hard place for him.
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Which polls?
 
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