Bad News Thread

Grace T. said:
Interesting article about the Fauci emails:

-Trump seems to have gotten the idea it would go away from Fauci
-They knew the 2 weeks thing was a lie
-The lockdowns were never about saving hospital capacity (which as we now see from India, Indonesia and the Czech Republic is what they should have been about)
-Fauci didn't understand that the virus spreads through any human contact and that the factories, food production, supermarkets and pharmacies had to keep going. As soon as they lifted the restrictions the R would jump again, so it wasn't possible to get rid of the virus by locking down unless you were going to lockdown in perpetuity until you got a vaccine.

www.realclearmarkets.com

Anthony Fauci's Shockingly Obtuse E-Mails to Michael Gerson

The email dump of Dr. Anthony Fauci’s correspondence is a treasure trove of insight. Don’t rely on the major media to explain what’s in it, however. Reporters hardly have time to dig
www.realclearmarkets.com www.realclearmarkets.com
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If you want to see a conspiracy, there is evidence everywhere.

None of it strikes me as convincing. My base assumption is that no one knew much on Mar 02, 2020. This seems far more credible than the article‘s implication that "Fauci knew it all back then, but he lied to us."
 
dad4 said:
If you want to see a conspiracy, there is evidence everywhere.

None of it strikes me as convincing. My base assumption is that no one knew much on Mar 02, 2020. This seems far more credible than the article‘s implication that "Fauci knew it all back then, but he lied to us."
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One thing we have learned in the past year or so is the overwhelming power of confirmation bias.
 
dad4 said:
If you want to see a conspiracy, there is evidence everywhere.

None of it strikes me as convincing. My base assumption is that no one knew much on Mar 02, 2020. This seems far more credible than the article‘s implication that "Fauci knew it all back then, but he lied to us."
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To be fair, the lie the article pins on fauci is the hospital capacity (and also the 2 weeks but fauci seems to have believed it would be short so unclear how much of a lie this one was). The rest of the article painted fauci as just not having a clue what was happening.

and as for others not knowing, I called it pretty accurately. More accurately than fauci. Even told my kids school they should prepare for a year long shut down but the elementary school might be spared in the fall. I nailed it within a few weeks. Business too. So no it wasn’t impossible to know what would happen.
 
dad4 said:
Nationally, what do you propose if Delta begins to cause crowded hospitals this fall?

Masks seems the least bad option.

The alternatives are lockdowns, mandatory vaccination, and deferral of non-covid medical care.

Which of those do you like better?
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It's like asking me what would I do if pigs fly...I'll worry about it when it happens.

Anything that would be proposed that includes any of the above would be met with a ton of resistance. Odds of compliance are is slim to none, which are the same odds of the Delta variant overwhelming hospitals.
 
watfly said:
It's like asking me what would I do if pigs fly...I'll worry about it when it happens.

Anything that would be proposed that includes any of the above would be met with a ton of resistance. Odds of compliance are is slim to none, which are the same odds of the Delta variant overwhelming hospitals.
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Got it. You chose care rationing. Same as last time.

Every other option requires acting before the crisis hits.
 
dad4 said:
Got it. You chose care rationing. Same as last time.

Every other option requires acting before the crisis hits.
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Are you factoring in any developments of effective treatments? I mean, we came up with a vaccine that has an 88% effective rate agains these new variants but we can’t come up with an effective treatment?
 
Kicker4Life said:
Are you factoring in any developments of effective treatments? I mean, we came up with a vaccine that has an 88% effective rate agains these new variants but we can’t come up with an effective treatment?
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Would this forum be better if Dominic banned rhetorical questions?
 
Kicker4Life said:
Are you factoring in any developments of effective treatments? I mean, we came up with a vaccine that has an 88% effective rate agains these new variants but we can’t come up with an effective treatment?
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What effective treatments? We don’t have much for colds or the flu. Why should I expect a post-infection covid pill any time soon?

I think we are lucky to have the vaccines. We’ll probably have a booster before we have a good treatment.
 
dad4 said:
Got it. You chose care rationing. Same as last time.

Every other option requires acting before the crisis hits.
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Wrong on both accounts. Vaccines are available to anyone that wants one, which is the opposite of care rationing. The vaccine is already the option before the crisis hits, which will likely never occur. The crisis is purely hypothetical, created by Team "Doom and Gloom"

If you're unvaccinated and want to wear a mask, more power to you. No reason, other than virtue signaling to wear a mask if you're vaccinated. I have no power to require you to get a vaccination, as you have no power to require me to wear a mask to protect you if you chose not to be vaccinated. It's a pretty straight forward equation.
 
watfly said:
Wrong on both accounts. Vaccines are available to anyone that wants one, which is the opposite of care rationing. The vaccine is already the option before the crisis hits, which will likely never occur. The crisis is purely hypothetical, created by Team "Doom and Gloom"

If you're unvaccinated and want to wear a mask, more power to you. No reason, other than virtue signaling to wear a mask if you're vaccinated. I have no power to require you to get a vaccination, as you have no power to require me to wear a mask to protect you if you chose not to be vaccinated. It's a pretty straight forward equation.
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Is virtue signaling a bad thing?

(and that is not a rhetorical question - I would like to know your opinion)
 
watfly said:
Wrong on both accounts. Vaccines are available to anyone that wants one, which is the opposite of care rationing. The vaccine is already the option before the crisis hits, which will likely never occur. The crisis is purely hypothetical, created by Team "Doom and Gloom"

If you're unvaccinated and want to wear a mask, more power to you. No reason, other than virtue signaling to wear a mask if you're vaccinated. I have no power to require you to get a vaccination, as you have no power to require me to wear a mask to protect you if you chose not to be vaccinated. It's a pretty straight forward equation.
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Sounds familiar.

Last April you told us that covid was purely theoretical, and we did not need to worry about it.

That theoretical risk killed a half million people. Would it hurt too much to pay some attention to the next theoretical risk? Maybe get ahead of the game so we can handle it with masks and vaccines instead of lockdowns and care rationing?

Or do we have to wait until it is over so that Team Virus can argue it was all inevitable?
 
dad4 said:
Sounds familiar.

Last April you told us that covid was purely theoretical, and we did not need to worry about it.

That theoretical risk killed a half million people. Would it hurt too much to pay some attention to the next theoretical risk? Maybe get ahead of the game so we can handle it with masks and vaccines instead of lockdowns and care rationing?

Or do we have to wait until it is over so that Team Virus can argue it was all inevitable?
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Speaking of last April (I assume you meant April 2000) there is a new book out by Yasmeen Abutaleb and Damian Paletta: "Nightmare Scenario: Inside the Trump Administration's Response to the Pandemic That Changed History". The authors are Washington Post reporters who were assigned to report on the pandemic from the beginning. I'm tempted to read it, except that I think I already know what most of it is about.
 
This was an interesting first-person POV about recovering from long-haul covid. She fully admits she was able to do so since she was fairly financially priviledged. Makes you wonder how those not so priviledged, (AKA as lower-wage workers,) will be able to handle this without some government support:

www.theguardian.com

I rested my way to recovery from ‘long-haul Covid’. I urge others to do the same | Fiona Lowenstein

Rest and pacing, rather than graded exercise, seem the most effective treatments to prescribe widely to long Covid patients
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
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