Bad News Thread

NorCalDad said:
The next several years will be fun. Republicans are going to have to do some serious soul searching; "Do we try to keep the crazy Trump base or not? We have to in order to win any future elections, but Trump is already talking about creating his own party. Can we even get his base at this point? I mean militias, conspiracy theorists, white supremacists, etc aren't that bad, right? I mean it really wasn't insurrection, was it? Wait, the Proud Boys don't like Trump anymore. They think he's weak. Is this our cue?"

Anyone have good popcorn tips?
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As GraceT points out, that article is complete spin. You should know better.

The vaccine is already being distributed. That by itself tells you there is a plan in place. Biden's plan seems to be a continuation of what the Trump plan was.

Being that this is new and on an unprecedented scale, and the fact that it is government, bet on the fact that they will screw up at first. And this will be on the Fed and State level. Over time they will adjust as they always do. The leviathan moves slowly and it takes awhile to get it going in the right direction.
 
Desert Hound said:
Here is the one thing we should all agree on or actually DEMAND.

IF the US is going to be bound to do certain things as it relates to other countries...ie a treaty. That per our constitution has to be approved by the US Senate. Obama knew it wasn't going to pass so he tried to do it on an executive level. Because it wasn't binding, Trump was able to rescind it.

Stuff like that has to be approved by the US Senate. If it can't pass the senate so be it. If it does, it prevents future Presidents from playing around with it.

We should demand our parties play by the rules. If you want a treaty...pass it the way it is supposed to be done.
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The problem is treaties require 2/3 to approve and gain the force of law. Treaties these days are so complicated you are never going to get 2/3 on anything....o.k. they did override Trump's DoD bill only to get snapped in the face with twitter's moves. A compromise could be to revise the Constitution so the President can't enter into these agreements and must get a majority of both the House and Senate, but then the Paris Accords might have actually passed (and would probably have if not subject to fillibuster).
 
Desert Hound said:
As GraceT points out, that article is complete spin. You should know better.

The vaccine is already being distributed. That by itself tells you there is a plan in place. Biden's plan seems to be a continuation of what the Trump plan was.

Being that this is new and on an unprecedented scale, and the fact that it is government, bet on the fact that they will screw up at first. And this will be on the Fed and State level. Over time they will adjust as they always do. The leviathan moves slowly and it takes awhile to get it going in the right direction.
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Come on man!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1352348183104540672
 
EOTL said:
Actually 38 states are doing worse than CA with respect to death rate. It is not surprising, however, that CA faces much greater inefficiencies and logistical challenges than other states given that CA actually has a lot more people and geography to deal with. Of course it hasn’t been perfect, but expecting that CA will be able to get vaccine distributed as efficiently as other states ignores the obvious. I get that you’re looking for anything you can seize on that seems facially helpful for your pre-determined perspective. I get it that magats are simpletons who don’t care about facts or reasons why anything is happening. I get that if Gavin Newsom sneezes you’ll blame him for every covid death in CA, while simultaneously claiming no one dies of covid in other states. Reality and thoughtful consideration of anything are simply beyond your grasp, either because you’re magat dumb or Qanon crazy.
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So....you’re gonna just go ahead and make up your own argument chock full of insults and no relevant opinions because you can’t argue my point on merit?

Pretty typical....next!
 
Grace T. said:
The problem is treaties require 2/3 to approve and gain the force of law. Treaties these days are so complicated you are never going to get 2/3 on anything....o.k. they did override Trump's DoD bill only to get snapped in the face with twitter's moves. A compromise could be to revise the Constitution so the President can't enter into these agreements and must get a majority of both the House and Senate, but then the Paris Accords might have actually passed (and would probably have if not subject to fillibuster).
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Article V
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
 
Grace T. said:
A compromise could be to revise the Constitution so the President can't enter into these agreements
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As you know, amending the Constitution is designed to be tough.

What needs to happen is that the Senate demand that the rules be followed. Or if the Senate doesn't demand, then the constituents have to demand.

We drift further and further into an imperial presidency. The House/Senate over the past few decades have really not held the executive in check so to speak.
 
Desert Hound said:
As you know, amending the Constitution is designed to be tough.

What needs to happen is that the Senate demand that the rules be followed. Or if the Senate doesn't demand, then the constituents have to demand.

We drift further and further into an imperial presidency. The House/Senate over the past few decades have really not held the executive in check so to speak.
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What rules are you talking about here?
 
Desert Hound said:
As you know, amending the Constitution is designed to be tough.

What needs to happen is that the Senate demand that the rules be followed. Or if the Senate doesn't demand, then the constituents have to demand.

We drift further and further into an imperial presidency. The House/Senate over the past few decades have really not held the executive in check so to speak.
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Agree, but we got here because treaties became enormously impossible to get through the supermajority and the Senate effectively has stopped functioning. The House continues to push off discretion to the executive. And then you had Obama who got frustrated with his inability to push his agenda through Congress and decided to go around it. Trump then did the same times 2x. Biden did the same and undid Trump. Now the comical part is that the Rs are going to sue Biden for undoing Trump's orders and the courts you'll recall limited Trump's ability to undo Biden's orders. It's a big hot mess.

Congressional government only functions if you have a broad consensus and Rs and Ds are basically living in separate worlds right now. Under a parliamentary system, the winner could cram down the agenda (including treaties) but in the US that would have probably brought us to war 4 years ago (or at least the secession of California).
 
espola said:
What rules are you talking about here?
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Well in the case of the Paris Accords (Treaty) they didn't call Obama on the fact it is a treaty and he cannot unilaterally bind the US to any deal such as that without Senate approval.

There are other examples from other presidents as well in terms of actions they have taken which are the in the domain of the House/Senate.
 
Inquiring minds want to know. I did at least.

"One of the early indicators of imminent SARS-CoV-2 infection is a sudden and complete loss of smell and taste. Often, these symptoms persist long after infection has been seemingly cleared. How might a virus like this get into the nervous system, and why is the olfactory/gustatory system so specifically targeted?"

medicalxpress.com

How does SARS-CoV-2 get in your head and destroy your sense of smell?

One of the early indicators of imminent SARS-CoV-2 infection is a sudden and complete loss of smell and taste. Often, these symptoms persist long after infection has been seemingly cleared. How might a virus like this get into the nervous system, and why is the olfactory/gustatory system so...
medicalxpress.com medicalxpress.com
 
Desert Hound said:
Well in the case of the Paris Accords (Treaty) they didn't call Obama on the fact it is a treaty and he cannot unilaterally bind the US to any deal such as that without Senate approval.
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By the way if we didn't have a press in the tank for one party, they would have called him on it. They move public opinion. Had they said, this deal HAS to go through the Senate, then it would have been sent to the Senate (and to be honest likely died there).

Instead the press by and large was very excited about the Paris Accords and skipped any messy details such as the fact that in order to be binding it has to go through the Senate.

I guess when you are helping to save the world, we can ignore minor inconveniences such as the US Constitution.
 
EOTL said:
What Republicans will do is blame the current administration for every single problem that actually arises from Mr. Magat Marmalade Magoo’s complete and utter incompetence. Republicans in Congress are thrilled Diaper Donnie lost because they couldn’t cope with four more years of watching their country go down the shitter with no one to blame besides themselves. Now they can blame Democrats for the mess caused by their four years of collaboration and lack of spines necessary to stand up to the Rotten Impeached Peach-of-S**t.
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You mean the way libtards have cried about every single thing Trump said or did for 4-years? Yeah, we’re pretty familiar with that.
 
Desert Hound said:
By the way if we didn't have a press in the tank for one party, they would have called him on it. They move public opinion. Had they said, this deal HAS to go through the Senate, then it would have been sent to the Senate (and to be honest likely died there).

Instead the press by and large was very excited about the Paris Accords and skipped any messy details such as the fact that in order to be binding it has to go through the Senate.

I guess when you are helping to save the world, we can ignore minor inconveniences such as the US Constitution.
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The story of the 20th century has can be summarized with 1 concept. The left since Woodrow Wilson has wanted to modernize the rickety US Constitution. Other governments had more modern ones and we were stuck with the old one which was hard to amend. The low hanging fruit was the progressive Constitutional Amendments. The New Deal came next once they got the Supreme Court to bend. Then reading rights and penumbras into the Constitution. Now the EOs around Congress. The Rs have by and large been originalists and reverential towards the original Constitution and it's sort of what unites those on the right, from libertarians, to establishmentarians to all but the most extreme Trumpists. We've hit the limit of where we can go with this strategy.
 
Grace T. said:
The story of the 20th century has can be summarized with 1 concept. The left since Woodrow Wilson has wanted to modernize the rickety US Constitution. Other governments had more modern ones and we were stuck with the old one which was hard to amend. The low hanging fruit was the progressive Constitutional Amendments. The New Deal came next once they got the Supreme Court to bend. Then reading rights and penumbras into the Constitution. Now the EOs around Congress. The Rs have by and large been originalists and reverential towards the original Constitution and it's sort of what unites those on the right, from libertarians, to establishmentarians to all but the most extreme Trumpists. We've hit the limit of where we can go with this strategy.
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I'm glad I don't have to grade that paper.
 
espola said:
Which of the post-Wilson Amendments are you criticizing?
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I'm not, hence the glad you weren't my teach. I'm observing, not criticizing.

If I did have the great misfortune of having you as a teach, and you did assign me an amendment to criticize, after sighing about the great decline in the intellectual fortitude of my various instructors from their lofty heights over the years, I would no doubt pick prohibition.
 
Grace T. said:
I'm not, hence the glad you weren't my teach. I'm observing, not criticizing.

If I did have the great misfortune of having you as a teach, and you did assign me an amendment to criticize, after sighing about the great decline in the intellectual fortitude of my various instructors from their lofty heights over the years, I would no doubt pick prohibition.
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"reading rights and penumbras into the Constitution" -- Any meat on those bones?
 
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