Bad News Thread

[Grace T.]

Its obvious things wont return to some what normal till 2022

Things will get better. Within two months for example well see seniors start to crawl out of their exiles. Now that California has actually moved to vaccinate seniors the death rate will start to drop in March. Seasonally we’ll follow the same pattern as elsewhere which means our curve (already past peak in la county) will come down though slowly. Kids may not be back in school this year and maybe hybrid and shut down for parts of next but sports and schools will resume (but be disrupted by periodic outbreaks). A lot depends on whether the other vaccines get approved and when and if so we’ll be cranking it

but I think you are right about some things, especially California. Things won’t be back to normal til after the 2021-2022 flu season. I have a hard time seeing tournaments and away camps this summer particularly without vaccines for the younger. People who had settled on 6 weeks-a season-the election-new year-a year of this will crack. The damage to the economy is being vastly understated and held in stasis by the federal covid policy but that bubble just keeps getting bigger and bigger since money has nowhere else to go right now. Even if newsom gets recalled (and he should) it will come too late to do much good. Then towards the end of 2021 we get the vaccine wars

2020: I’m the worst most scary most awful year ever

2031: here...hold my beer

 

[Grace T.]

Yes, this is typical of some and one of the main reasons I came on here. They think I was mad because my dd was snubbed. Sad indeed. Notice no one attacks my message? They call me dumbs dumbs, moron, idiot, dam fool, crazy father, club hopper, black listed and so many other lovely words. Like I said so many times to these pervs who take advantage of kids and their parents, I will NEVER STOP IT!!!!!

yeah I know. Get it. I’m more interested in the why of it all because only then can we fix it. My brief stint helping out with the youth soccer development task force convinced me more than fancy slogans and pilot programs needed. The rot in youth soccer and youth sports in general does run deep. And not much ever came of the task force....after initial enthusiasm it just petered out (ha!)

 

[crush]

Things will get better. Within two months for example well see seniors start to crawl out of their exiles. Now that California has actually moved to vaccinate seniors the death rate will start to drop in March. Seasonally we’ll follow the same pattern as elsewhere which means our curve (already past peak in la county) will come down though slowly. Kids may not be back in school this year and maybe hybrid and shut down for parts of next but sports and schools will resume (but be disrupted by periodic outbreaks). A lot depends on whether the other vaccines get approved and when and if so we’ll be cranking it

but I think you are right about some things, especially California. Things won’t be back to normal til after the 2021-2022 flu season. I have a hard time seeing tournaments and away camps this summer particularly without vaccines for the younger. People who had settled on 6 weeks-a season-the election-new year-a year of this will crack. The damage to the economy is being vastly understated and held in stasis by the federal covid policy but that bubble just keeps getting bigger and bigger since money has nowhere else to go right now. Even if newsom gets recalled (and he should) it will come too late to do much good. Then towards the end of 2021 we get the vaccine wars

2020: I’m the worst most scary most awful year ever

2031: here...hold my beer

Were all getting a taste of what the future without God looks like. Darkness is upon us Grace. No laws or order. Grab & Go!!! Fear, terror, torture, war, stealing, cheating, killing 63,000,000 babies before their born, 800,000 kids missing in our country and were scared? What about the kids? How scared do you think they are? We have coaches calling woman all sorts of names. Fat shaming and so much more BS. Who wants this dead corps anyways? This is dead and we will all experience a new birth unlike anything you've witnessed.

 

[Desert Hound]

but I think you are right about some things, especially California. Things won’t be back to normal til after the 2021-2022 flu season.

"But, Joe Biden is pushing a 100-day mask challenge as part of his campaign to combat COVID-19, and some experts want masks to be worn forever.

Experts like Dr. Fauci, for example, are saying that masks should be worn even after vaccination.

This leads to an important question: if masks are worn to prevent the spread of infection, why would you need to wear one if you’ve been vaccinated, or have already had the virus?

The new team left talking point is that the vaccine won’t change a thing, so the new mandate being proposed is that we continue wearing them.

And not just one: multiple.

Linsey Marr, an expert in virus transmission at Virginia Tech, told the New York Times that “double masks” is the way to go.

“If you combine multiple layers, you start achieving pretty high efficiencies of blocking the virus,” she said.

A Boston University physician said that despite the vaccine, masks will be around for a while.

“Masks are going to be with us for a really long time,” Elissa Schechter-Perkins told Chalkbeat. “Especially because we know kids are not going to be vaccinated right away, and masks are a really strong protective measure.”

Joe Biden’s senior COVID-19 adviser, Andy Slavitt, urged less interaction for kids: “We should be more careful with kids. They should circulate less or will become vectors. Like mosquitos carrying a tropical disease. Of course, they can become sick themselves this way. I’m not sure what I would say about schools besides wishing Trump had built testing up.”

Children are perhaps the most affected by the masks and lockdowns, having their development stunted for a year – and now maybe longer.

But, data shows that children don’t tend to contract or transmit the virus easily."

PERPETUAL MASKS? Experts Call for Masks Even After Vaccination | Human Events

Masks have become a critical part of our new day-to-day pandemic lifestyle. Whether it's a run-of-the-mill blue surgical mask or one with sequins to match your outfit, everyone wears one to help stop the spread of COVID-19.

humanevents.com

 

[kickingandscreaming]

Wait, are we debating if common core is better/worse than what we did in the "olden" days? Honestly I don't even know what's going on here.

That means you are in the right place.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

yeah I wonder what it is about sports in general and soccer in particular that attracts these types to coaching?

on the boys or on the girls side? Because on the girls side woah that’s how he’s talk about someone’s dd?

They are in a position to have power and "payback" all those wedgies they got as a kid?

 

[Grace T.]

Looks like Biden himself, not just the grandkids, broke his own mask mandate hours after signing it. He joins a long list of notable COVID rule breakers including Newsom, Pelosi, Lightfoot, Fergueson, Fauci, Cuomo, De Blasio, Whitmer, Pritzker, Trudeau.

Biden spotted maskless on federal property hours after signing mandate

President Biden faced criticism for removing his face mask while visiting the Lincoln Memorial on Wednesday night – hours after signing an executive order requiring masks on federal property.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Grace T.]

The timing is very suspicious but I don't ultimately buy into the conspiracy theory. That said, some of us have been saying this for months now. I doubt the US is going to revise how it counts the deaths, though....too much money at stake for too many stakeholders.

TOTAL COINCIDENCE ALERT: C19 Diagnostic Criteria Tightened by WHO on Biden Inauguration Day!

Well, what are the odds?It just so happens that—on the very day Joe Biden took office—the World Heal

redstate.com

 

[kickingandscreaming]

"But, Joe Biden is pushing a 100-day mask challenge as part of his campaign to combat COVID-19, and some experts want masks to be worn forever.

Experts like Dr. Fauci, for example, are saying that masks should be worn even after vaccination.

This leads to an important question: if masks are worn to prevent the spread of infection, why would you need to wear one if you’ve been vaccinated, or have already had the virus?

The new team left talking point is that the vaccine won’t change a thing, so the new mandate being proposed is that we continue wearing them.

And not just one: multiple.

Linsey Marr, an expert in virus transmission at Virginia Tech, told the New York Times that “double masks” is the way to go.

“If you combine multiple layers, you start achieving pretty high efficiencies of blocking the virus,” she said.

A Boston University physician said that despite the vaccine, masks will be around for a while.

“Masks are going to be with us for a really long time,” Elissa Schechter-Perkins told Chalkbeat. “Especially because we know kids are not going to be vaccinated right away, and masks are a really strong protective measure.”

Joe Biden’s senior COVID-19 adviser, Andy Slavitt, urged less interaction for kids: “We should be more careful with kids. They should circulate less or will become vectors. Like mosquitos carrying a tropical disease. Of course, they can become sick themselves this way. I’m not sure what I would say about schools besides wishing Trump had built testing up.”

Children are perhaps the most affected by the masks and lockdowns, having their development stunted for a year – and now maybe longer.

But, data shows that children don’t tend to contract or transmit the virus easily."

PERPETUAL MASKS? Experts Call for Masks Even After Vaccination | Human Events

Masks have become a critical part of our new day-to-day pandemic lifestyle. Whether it's a run-of-the-mill blue surgical mask or one with sequins to match your outfit, everyone wears one to help stop the spread of COVID-19.

humanevents.com

Here's an opinion. The ideas of "masks indefinitely" or "two masks are better than one" are coming from elites who have a parochial view that is not representative of our population. On top of that, anyone who questions these edicts is branded an "anti-masker" who doesn't care about his fellow man or woman. So, many people just don't challenge these views. I have traveled a bit and even in states that are doing considerably better than CA despite the harsher restrictions in CA, masks are worn inside and that's about it. I don't see this fervor in the general population - just with a bunch of eggheads who are getting a lot of attention now and appear to enjoy it. I have no problem with them stating their beliefs, I just don't see either of those two ideas becoming mainstream in the US.

 

[NorCalDad]

@Grace T. Did you see your acquaintances recent slip up:

Cruz Roasted For Tweet That Appears To Reveal His Ignorance About The Paris Climate Agreement

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) mocked Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) early Thursday for...

talkingpointsmemo.com

This one definitely made me laugh out loud.

 

[Kicker4Life]

It’s interesting that you’re so upset with CA’s vaccine roll out plan, yet it’s crickets from you about the federal government’s complete lack of one.

The U.S. Fumbled Its Early Vaccine Rollout. Will the Biden Administration Put America Back on Track?

The only way out of this pandemic, public health officials say, is to use vaccines to achieve herd immunity

time.com

‘Worse Than We Imagined’: Team Trump Left Biden a COVID-19 Nightmare

The systems to manufacture, distribute, and track vaccine doses set up by the Trump administration are even more broken than Biden’s COVID team feared.

www.thedailybeast.com

Biden’s plan to fix the Covid-19 vaccine rollout, explained

Here’s how Biden plans to get 100 million vaccine doses out in his first 100 days.

www.vox.com

Yet 45 other states are doing well. Nice try....let’s hope Biden clears it up. But I’m sure CA will still fumble the ball yet again.

 

[Grace T.]

@Grace T. Did you see your acquaintances recent slip up:

Cruz Roasted For Tweet That Appears To Reveal His Ignorance About The Paris Climate Agreement

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) mocked Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) early Thursday for...

talkingpointsmemo.com

This one definitely made me laugh out loud.

a. we've been on cordial terms but were never exactly friendly. Goes back to his conduct around a sangria bowl I was mixing years ago.
b. he always puts his foot in his mouth. always did.
c. while he said it ineloquently, I get the message he's trying to say. He cares more about the elitists intellectuals in Paris than the factory worker in Pittsburg. AOC is smart enough to know what he's trying to say and is just using a rhetorical trap (kinda of like what our friend espola likes to do) and then bending his words to suit her agenda.
d. also twitter...not exactly the best instrument for precision.
e. while overstated I do think he has a point.
f. there's no basis to say he incited, particularly coming from AOC and her failure to condemn the antifa rioters
g. we're going to ping pong in and out of the Paris Accords depending whether its a D or an R admin from now on. It's become a redline for both political parties. No nominee can win without being on the "right" side.

 

[Scott m Shurson]

@Grace T. Did you see your acquaintances recent slip up:

Cruz Roasted For Tweet That Appears To Reveal His Ignorance About The Paris Climate Agreement

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) mocked Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) early Thursday for...

talkingpointsmemo.com

This one definitely made me laugh out loud.

Ted Cruz went to Princeton and Harvard. The AOC went to Boston College and we could spend an entire day mocking the bullshit that’s exited her mouth in the short time she’s been anything other than a waitress.

 

[EOTL]

Yet 45 other states are doing well. Nice try....let’s hope Biden clears it up. But I’m sure CA will still fumble the ball yet again.

Actually 38 states are doing worse than CA with respect to death rate. It is not surprising, however, that CA faces much greater inefficiencies and logistical challenges than other states given that CA actually has a lot more people and geography to deal with. Of course it hasn’t been perfect, but expecting that CA will be able to get vaccine distributed as efficiently as other states ignores the obvious. I get that you’re looking for anything you can seize on that seems facially helpful for your pre-determined perspective. I get it that magats are simpletons who don’t care about facts or reasons why anything is happening. I get that if Gavin Newsom sneezes you’ll blame him for every covid death in CA, while simultaneously claiming no one dies of covid in other states. Reality and thoughtful consideration of anything are simply beyond your grasp, either because you’re magat dumb or Qanon crazy.

 

[NorCalDad]

Looks like Biden himself, not just the grandkids, broke his own mask mandate hours after signing it. He joins a long list of notable COVID rule breakers including Newsom, Pelosi, Lightfoot, Fergueson, Fauci, Cuomo, De Blasio, Whitmer, Pritzker, Trudeau.

Biden spotted maskless on federal property hours after signing mandate

President Biden faced criticism for removing his face mask while visiting the Lincoln Memorial on Wednesday night – hours after signing an executive order requiring masks on federal property.

www.foxnews.com

Maybe Biden is distracted by this:

Report: Biden Admin Discovers Trump Had Zero Plans For COVID Vaccine Distribution

As they were settling into the White House on Wednesday, Biden administration...

talkingpointsmemo.com

The next several years will be fun. Republicans are going to have to do some serious soul searching; "Do we try to keep the crazy Trump base or not? We have to in order to win any future elections, but Trump is already talking about creating his own party. Can we even get his base at this point? I mean militias, conspiracy theorists, white supremacists, etc aren't that bad, right? I mean it really wasn't insurrection, was it? Wait, the Proud Boys don't like Trump anymore. They think he's weak. Is this our cue?"

Anyone have good popcorn tips?

 

[EOTL]

Maybe Biden is distracted by this:

Report: Biden Admin Discovers Trump Had Zero Plans For COVID Vaccine Distribution

As they were settling into the White House on Wednesday, Biden administration...

talkingpointsmemo.com

The next several years will be fun. Republicans are going to have to do some serious soul searching; "Do we try to keep the crazy Trump base or not? We have to in order to win any future elections, but Trump is already talking about creating his own party. Can we even get his base at this point? I mean militias, conspiracy theorists, white supremacists, etc aren't that bad, right? I mean it really wasn't insurrection, was it? Wait, the Proud Boys don't like Trump anymore. They think he's weak. Is this our cue?"

Anyone have good popcorn tips?

What Republicans will do is blame the current administration for every single problem that actually arises from Mr. Magat Marmalade Magoo’s complete and utter incompetence. Republicans in Congress are thrilled Diaper Donnie lost because they couldn’t cope with four more years of watching their country go down the shitter with no one to blame besides themselves. Now they can blame Democrats for the mess caused by their four years of collaboration and lack of spines necessary to stand up to the Rotten Impeached Peach-of-S**t.

 

[Grace T.]

Maybe Biden is distracted by this:

Report: Biden Admin Discovers Trump Had Zero Plans For COVID Vaccine Distribution

As they were settling into the White House on Wednesday, Biden administration...

talkingpointsmemo.com

The next several years will be fun. Republicans are going to have to do some serious soul searching; "Do we try to keep the crazy Trump base or not? We have to in order to win any future elections, but Trump is already talking about creating his own party. Can we even get his base at this point? I mean militias, conspiracy theorists, white supremacists, etc aren't that bad, right? I mean it really wasn't insurrection, was it? Wait, the Proud Boys don't like Trump anymore. They think he's weak. Is this our cue?"

Anyone have good popcorn tips?

I agree with your analysis of the Republican Party's dilemma. It has a bit of a partisan blue bent to it, but you've hit all the major problems. Unless they find an Anthony who can give an "I've come not to praise Caesar but to bury him" speech, I think they have a real tough time on the Presidential and Senate level (in the House, you just have to run against the other guy). The Ds have their own problems if/when Biden passes or goes 25....the coalition of the well off and the not well off is inherently unstable and has been sort of held together with the rope of racial politics.

The article you cite though is patently false. There has been a federal plan to date. We are almost at 1 million doses per day so Biden's plan of 100 million doses amounts to little more than keep doing what we are doing without any major screw ups and ramp it up a little. It's a goalpost which we were on track to already meet. There is also a federal plan...but it relies on the states doing most of the distribution. The entire article is mostly spin and trying to set up expectations by the Biden staffers: "oh poor us....look at the mess....we have to start from scratch" which will later turn into "we achieved 100 million without any help from the Trump administration". The article doesn't even have any analysis, just spin from Biden staffers who are spinning for obvious self-serving interests. I'm sure BTW when seasonality and vaccines bring the cases down 100 days from now they'll cheer the mask mandate worked!

The tidbit which is concerning is that the comments suggest they plan to take away vaccine distribution from the states. Remember the Trump admin considered doing this...handing it over to the guard. The thing that stopped them from doing it was the refrigeration required by the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines and the training it would take to get people to handle it properly without spoiling the vaccine. It would take the Biden admin 100 days to get that up and running at least (by which point we are at 1/4 of the country vaccinated anyways). The only way they managed to do that is if we get approval quickly of the AZ or J&J vaccines for which refrigeration is not that much of an issue. Even then, they'll be stumbling over the states (some of which have already quite efficient but down and dirty systems getting the job done)

 

[Grace T.]

I agree with your analysis of the Republican Party's dilemma. It has a bit of a partisan blue bent to it, but you've hit all the major problems. Unless they find an Anthony who can give an "I've come not to praise Caesar but to bury him" speech, I think they have a real tough time on the Presidential and Senate level (in the House, you just have to run against the other guy). The Ds have their own problems if/when Biden passes or goes 25....the coalition of the well off and the not well off is inherently unstable and has been sort of held together with the rope of racial politics.

The article you cite though is patently false. There has been a federal plan to date. We are almost at 1 million doses per day so Biden's plan of 100 million doses amounts to little more than keep doing what we are doing without any major screw ups and ramp it up a little. It's a goalpost which we were on track to already meet. There is also a federal plan...but it relies on the states doing most of the distribution. The entire article is mostly spin and trying to set up expectations by the Biden staffers: "oh poor us....look at the mess....we have to start from scratch" which will later turn into "we achieved 100 million without any help from the Trump administration". The article doesn't even have any analysis, just spin from Biden staffers who are spinning for obvious self-serving interests. I'm sure BTW when seasonality and vaccines bring the cases down 100 days from now they'll cheer the mask mandate worked!

The tidbit which is concerning is that the comments suggest they plan to take away vaccine distribution from the states. Remember the Trump admin considered doing this...handing it over to the guard. The thing that stopped them from doing it was the refrigeration required by the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines and the training it would take to get people to handle it properly without spoiling the vaccine. It would take the Biden admin 100 days to get that up and running at least (by which point we are at 1/4 of the country vaccinated anyways). The only way they managed to do that is if we get approval quickly of the AZ or J&J vaccines for which refrigeration is not that much of an issue. Even then, they'll be stumbling over the states (some of which have already quite efficient but down and dirty systems getting the job done)

forgot to attached....apologies

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-01-14/us-covid-vaccine-rollout-nears-1-million-doses-per-day

 

[crush]

 

[Desert Hound]

we're going to ping pong in and out of the Paris Accords depending whether its a D or an R admin from now on. It's become a redline for both political parties. No nominee can win without being on the "right" side.

Here is the one thing we should all agree on or actually DEMAND.

IF the US is going to be bound to do certain things as it relates to other countries...ie a treaty. That per our constitution has to be approved by the US Senate. Obama knew it wasn't going to pass so he tried to do it on an executive level. Because it wasn't binding, Trump was able to rescind it.

Stuff like that has to be approved by the US Senate. If it can't pass the senate so be it. If it does, it prevents future Presidents from playing around with it.

We should demand our parties play by the rules. If you want a treaty...pass it the way it is supposed to be done.

 

[Desert Hound]

anything other than a waitress

Bartender.

Bar tenders are a lot smarter. Ask Sam Malone. AOC is more like Coach/Woody...except not as smart, not as funny, and not nearly as likeable.