Bad News Thread

Or, get your vaccine when it’s your turn, and stop complaining about stupid little things like a card.

We have a world wide depression and a pandemic with over a million and a half people dead, and you’re worried that you might have to carry a piece of paper for 3 months.
Those like DH are afraid of many things, keeping track of a piece of paper now added to the long extensive list.
 
Those like DH are afraid of many things, keeping track of a piece of paper now added to the long extensive list.
Not afraid.

I for one however like the concept of freedom and choice. And when one looks at the data and who is at risk the choice is even clearer.

If you are scared, by all means get the vaccine.

If as they say the vaccines are 90-94% effective, have the people actually at risk take the vaccine if they want it.
 
I am wondering why I should take a vaccine when my risk factor is minimal.

And as I look at my kids it is NON EXISTENT.

You on the other hand seem to like every rule put out by government and willingly follow along.
Agree with your Dad4 comment, but disagree with you vaccine position.

Amongst all the arbitrary, window dressing, non-science based and purely political restrictions and rules, getting a vaccination is something that would substantively mitigate the pandemic. When my turn comes I will get a vaccine. Although there is precedent for doing so, I'm not sure how comfortable I would be with the government mandating it, but I have no problem with schools, airlines, or any other organization requiring it as a condition of participation.
 
Agree with your Dad4 comment, but disagree with you vaccine position.

Amongst all the arbitrary, window dressing, non-science based and purely political restrictions and rules, getting a vaccination is something that would substantively mitigate the pandemic. When my turn comes I will get a vaccine. Although there is precedent for doing so, I'm not sure how comfortable I would be with the government mandating it, but I have no problem with schools, airlines, or any other organization requiring it as a condition of participation.

I have concerns about the mRNA vaccines. They may be fine but I'd like to wait...would take the traditional vaccines in a heartbeat but those would be available later. Without more data, doubt I'd let my kid take the mRNA one.
 

They've even lost Nate Silver

Nate is a data guy, and the CA rules are largely skew to the actual data. He wasn’t going to be in favor of the current form of the rules.

Don’t misinterpret that to mean he is in favor of ending all rules, North Dakota style. That’s not his point. Ending all covid rules would just be a different way to ignore the science.
 
I have concerns about the mRNA vaccines. They may be fine but I'd like to wait...would take the traditional vaccines in a heartbeat but those would be available later. Without more data, doubt I'd let my kid take the mRNA one.
I likely missed your post regarding mRNA. Can you explain your concerns again.

Maybe by the time the kids' turn comes there will be better options or more data. One of my concerns with kids being last is that Newsom will use that as an excuse to not allow in-person school and youth sports until kids are vaccinated which could be well into the next school year. My daughter will be a senior next year and if he F$%#s in any way with her senior year, I'm not sure what I will do. For sure I will be a tall dog on our district. I feel really sorry for HS Seniors from last year and this year.
 
I likely missed your post regarding mRNA. Can you explain your concerns again.

Maybe by the time the kids' turn comes there will be better options or more data. One of my concerns with kids being last is that Newsom will use that as an excuse to not allow in-person school and youth sports until kids are vaccinated which could be well into the next school year. My daughter will be a senior next year and if he F$%#s in any way with her senior year, I'm not sure what I will do. For sure I will be a tall dog on our district. I feel really sorry for HS Seniors from last year and this year.

The technique is new (which is why they were able to deploy first). Long term effects have not been therefore studied. It's probably o.k. Probably is o.k. for me (my life is probably 1/2 over) not o.k. for my kid who is at no risk for this thing. I know some medical professionals too which have expressed the same view....not I won't ever take it....but I need to read and to hear more.
 
The technique is new (which is why they were able to deploy first). Long term effects have not been therefore studied. It's probably o.k. Probably is o.k. for me (my life is probably 1/2 over) not o.k. for my kid who is at no risk for this thing. I know some medical professionals too which have expressed the same view....not I won't ever take it....but I need to read and to hear more.
I would assume that, by the time kids are allowed to get a covid vaccine, there will be some traditional vaccines on the market.

Mostly from China, I think. Which brings up China’s ability properly regulate their vaccine industry. After all, we got here because of China’s inability to properly regulate their food safety.
 
This sounds like the way a lot of places come up with covid policies.

"The San Francisco Board of Supervisors voted Tuesday to ban smoking in apartment buildings—but made an exception for marijuana, the San Francisco Chronicle reported. "

 
This sounds like the way a lot of places come up with covid policies.

"The San Francisco Board of Supervisors voted Tuesday to ban smoking in apartment buildings—but made an exception for marijuana, the San Francisco Chronicle reported. "

Funny part is they must of been smoking crack when they voted. One of my tenants tried to pull that on me...claim that the no smoking clause in the lease means cigarette smoking and doesn't apply to pot. I probably would have lost in court in California had he not voluntarily complied.
 
Not afraid.

I for one however like the concept of freedom and choice. And when one looks at the data and who is at risk the choice is even clearer.

If you are scared, by all means get the vaccine.

If as they say the vaccines are 90-94% effective, have the people actually at risk take the vaccine if they want it.
So you are only concerned about yourself personally? That kind of thinking is why we are where we are.
 
Strip clubs are not dance establishments. They are bars which happen to have naked women exercising their first amendment right to free speech.

I agree that strips clubs should be closed, but you can’t do that without also closing the rest of the bars.

If the strip clubs are open but banned from serving food and drink, then it gets more interesting.
"I don't dance, I make money moves"
 
This sounds like the way a lot of places come up with covid policies.

"The San Francisco Board of Supervisors voted Tuesday to ban smoking in apartment buildings—but made an exception for marijuana, the San Francisco Chronicle reported. "

Medicated constituents are pliable.
 
So you are only concerned about yourself personally? That kind of thinking is why we are where we are.
Really? Look around the world amigo.

Take special notice of Europe who many here including you I believe said were doing it the right way.

Various governments have taken different approaches. And yet we see that everywhere pretty much in the N Hemisphere is experiencing spikes. So what would anyone or any gov have done any differently that would have changed were we are today?

I know some stuff that would have been less selfish. I will start with a couple.

- allowing kids to be in school in person
- allowing people to make a living

The vaccines are claimed to be 90+% effective. Fantastic. We also know who is at risk. Fantastic. Give it to the at risk population and you have solved the problem.

And at the same time we can then we can watch what happens when 100s of millions of people take a new vaccine and see if there is any real concern with side effects. Follow the data and go from there.

If I were in a risk category and concerned I would take the vaccine. The reality is my risk factor is rather minimal. For my kids it is non existent.

More disconcerting is hearing people like Fauci state now that even with a vaccine they want to continue social distancing and masks for the coming years. Screw that.
 
And I am sure @dad4 is a big supporter of the latest announcement from up on high. He still gets to have TAKEOUT.

Newsom will divide the state into five geographic regions and lockdowns would last for three weeks minimum, based on the briefing. Residents would be unable to gather, while playgrounds, salons and restaurant dining would have to close. Food takeout would still be allowed, while hotels could only open for critical infrastructure support.

These stay at home orders worked so well the first time around that you get to do it again.
 
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