Bad News Thread
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Article V
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
Desert Hound
DA
As you know, amending the Constitution is designed to be tough.
What needs to happen is that the Senate demand that the rules be followed. Or if the Senate doesn't demand, then the constituents have to demand.
We drift further and further into an imperial presidency. The House/Senate over the past few decades have really not held the executive in check so to speak.
What rules are you talking about here?
Agree, but we got here because treaties became enormously impossible to get through the supermajority and the Senate effectively has stopped functioning. The House continues to push off discretion to the executive. And then you had Obama who got frustrated with his inability to push his agenda through Congress and decided to go around it. Trump then did the same times 2x. Biden did the same and undid Trump. Now the comical part is that the Rs are going to sue Biden for undoing Trump's orders and the courts you'll recall limited Trump's ability to undo Biden's orders. It's a big hot mess.
Congressional government only functions if you have a broad consensus and Rs and Ds are basically living in separate worlds right now. Under a parliamentary system, the winner could cram down the agenda (including treaties) but in the US that would have probably brought us to war 4 years ago (or at least the secession of California).
Desert Hound
DA
Well in the case of the Paris Accords (Treaty) they didn't call Obama on the fact it is a treaty and he cannot unilaterally bind the US to any deal such as that without Senate approval.
There are other examples from other presidents as well in terms of actions they have taken which are the in the domain of the House/Senate.
Desert Hound
DA
Inquiring minds want to know. I did at least.
"One of the early indicators of imminent SARS-CoV-2 infection is a sudden and complete loss of smell and taste. Often, these symptoms persist long after infection has been seemingly cleared. How might a virus like this get into the nervous system, and why is the olfactory/gustatory system so specifically targeted?"
medicalxpress.com
"One of the early indicators of imminent SARS-CoV-2 infection is a sudden and complete loss of smell and taste. Often, these symptoms persist long after infection has been seemingly cleared. How might a virus like this get into the nervous system, and why is the olfactory/gustatory system so specifically targeted?"
How does SARS-CoV-2 get in your head and destroy your sense of smell?
One of the early indicators of imminent SARS-CoV-2 infection is a sudden and complete loss of smell and taste. Often, these symptoms persist long after infection has been seemingly cleared. How might a virus like this get into the nervous system, and why is the olfactory/gustatory system so...
Desert Hound
DA
By the way if we didn't have a press in the tank for one party, they would have called him on it. They move public opinion. Had they said, this deal HAS to go through the Senate, then it would have been sent to the Senate (and to be honest likely died there).
Instead the press by and large was very excited about the Paris Accords and skipped any messy details such as the fact that in order to be binding it has to go through the Senate.
I guess when you are helping to save the world, we can ignore minor inconveniences such as the US Constitution.
Scott m Shurson
SILVER ELITE
You mean the way libtards have cried about every single thing Trump said or did for 4-years? Yeah, we’re pretty familiar with that.
Scott m Shurson
SILVER ELITE
Good point. Waitresses have to take notes.
The story of the 20th century has can be summarized with 1 concept. The left since Woodrow Wilson has wanted to modernize the rickety US Constitution. Other governments had more modern ones and we were stuck with the old one which was hard to amend. The low hanging fruit was the progressive Constitutional Amendments. The New Deal came next once they got the Supreme Court to bend. Then reading rights and penumbras into the Constitution. Now the EOs around Congress. The Rs have by and large been originalists and reverential towards the original Constitution and it's sort of what unites those on the right, from libertarians, to establishmentarians to all but the most extreme Trumpists. We've hit the limit of where we can go with this strategy.
I'm glad I don't have to grade that paper.
I could tell a story on this.......just grateful never had someone like you as a teach
Which of the post-Wilson Amendments are you criticizing?
I'm not, hence the glad you weren't my teach. I'm observing, not criticizing.
If I did have the great misfortune of having you as a teach, and you did assign me an amendment to criticize, after sighing about the great decline in the intellectual fortitude of my various instructors from their lofty heights over the years, I would no doubt pick prohibition.
"reading rights and penumbras into the Constitution" -- Any meat on those bones?
For starters, Roe.
Not much meat in that response.
Here's a starting point -- at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, none of the then-13 states had a law that prohibited abortion.
Don’t doubt that all of them had laws regarding murder.
Looks like the Olympic Games will be cancelled.
www.thetimes.co.uk
Japan looks for a way out of Tokyo Olympics because of Covid
The Japanese government has privately concluded that the Tokyo Olympics will have to be cancelled because of the coronavirus, and the focus is now on securing
www.thetimes.co.uk