Bad News Thread

Fun fact: it seems that lockdowns have had another unintended consequence. Us births are down about 300,000. Similar dip in Europe from dec-February so far. Seems like people locked in with nothing to do weren’t exactly amusing themselves. Now granted the economy would have dipped even without lockdown and people might have been afraid to go to the hospital for deliveries so it can’t all be attributed to lockdown, but the lockdowns have likely made this effect more severe. Well know the difference as we get March-may data from the us and europe

After decades of amusing ourselves, myself and the women that mattered in the decision process had exactly the number of children we intended.
 
After decades of amusing ourselves, myself and the women that mattered in the decision process had exactly the number of children we intended.
70,000,000 children got left behind old man since 1972. Not cool and not smart at all. You shall see sir very soon why it's not wise to terminate a life that was not intended but was conceived anyways because. This is why were in the mess were in. It's always been about the babies and kiddos and making sure they live free. Dont you ever ever forget that Espola. This planet is a planet that was supposed to bread life and multiply. It's obvious some assholes want to kill the weak and have population control. That is a loser plan and will get destroyed by the Author of Life. Dont mess with kids dude.....
 
"Caution: Preprints are preliminary reports of work that have not been certified by peer review. They should not be relied on to guide clinical practice or health-related behavior and should not be reported in news media as established information. "
Lol. "Caution acknowledged". Great ECNL weekend at the Polo Fields.
 
Lol. "Caution acknowledged". Great ECNL weekend at the Polo Fields.
It was just like old times Bruddah. I was looking up at the houses on the hill that look down on all the kids and are trying to stop soccer in Del Mar and i had a little chuckle in my belly and a few other thoughts in my brain :) Happy Monday Brudda man :)
 
It was just like old times Bruddah. I was looking up at the houses on the hill that look down on all the kids and are trying to stop soccer in Del Mar and i had a little chuckle in my belly and a few other thoughts in my brain :) Happy Monday Brudda man :)
I was on field 5. I was the one with 20 mask on.
 
"Caution: Preprints are preliminary reports of work that have not been certified by peer review. They should not be relied on to guide clinical practice or health-related behavior and should not be reported in news media as established information. "
BTW if it is CAUTION you seek, read the vaccine trials.
 
I was on field 5. I was the one with 20 mask on.
I was on field 1 and I was the one WHO got yelled at again for breaking the mask rule. I actually had someone say you better get that mask over your nose or we could lose this gig and it will be all your fault. I told her to worry about the lady from ABC news and the dudes up on the hill. I think were all trying to break a few stupid rules and I believe the mask is the biggest scam put on us ever. Talk about selling us ketchup popsicles....lol!!!
 
4 weeks down, 2-10 to go. We did see a slight bump up this week. However, I'm feeling that the actual increase is due to the storm in TX pushing tests out making the week starting at 2/14 artificially low and pushing those tests later making the following week higher. Either way, we are flattening out which is not ideal. Next week we should be removed from the effect of that storm on testing.

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5 weeks down - 1 to 9 to go.

Well, we have been down for 9 straight days. When more contagious variants take over, we should expect a sustained increase unless vaccinations and seroprevalence are enough to overcome the higher R. The "bump" in late February is partially caused by testing anomalies due to the storm - taking TX out smooths the curve noticeably - and maybe a bit of Super Bowl effect (just a guess).

NY Times has us at over 18% with the vaccine as of Sunday. I'd expect it to be near 21% by the end of this week with more vulnerable folks vaccinated at a much higher rate. I'd guess that the distribution of newer cases has to be moving much more toward the younger population. If the behavior of younger people is "riskier" in terms of the virus, the effective R will not be as significantly impacted by the vaccinations %. However, we should see a significant reduction in the case fatality rate with older folks being vaccinated.

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I was on field 1 and I was the one WHO got yelled at again for breaking the mask rule. I actually had someone say you better get that mask over your nose or we could lose this gig and it will be all your fault. I told her to worry about the lady from ABC news and the dudes up on the hill. I think were all trying to break a few stupid rules and I believe the mask is the biggest scam put on us ever. Talk about selling us ketchup popsicles....lol!!!
Sad to see the religious adherence to the COVID Robes.
 
5 weeks down - 1 to 9 to go.

Well, we have been down for 9 straight days. When more contagious variants take over, we should expect a sustained increase unless vaccinations and seroprevalence are enough to overcome the higher R. The "bump" in late February is partially caused by testing anomalies due to the storm - taking TX out smooths the curve noticeably - and maybe a bit of Super Bowl effect (just a guess).

NY Times has us at over 18% with the vaccine as of Sunday. I'd expect it to be near 21% by the end of this week with more vulnerable folks vaccinated at a much higher rate. I'd guess that the distribution of newer cases has to be moving much more toward the younger population. If the behavior of younger people is "riskier" in terms of the virus, the effective R will not be as significantly impacted by the vaccinations %. However, we should see a significant reduction in the case fatality rate with older folks being vaccinated.

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Can you overlay deaths on this same chart?
 
Can you overlay deaths on this same chart?
Here you go. As context, I started this post 5 weeks ago when epidemiologist Michael Osterholm indicated the following

Osterholm predicted that B117, the more contagious strain of the virus that is sweeping England and has been found in pockets of the United States, will become the dominant strain of the virus in the country. “If we see that happen, which my 45 years in the trenches tell us we will, we are going to see something like we have not seen yet in this country,”

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Here you go. As context, I started this post 5 weeks ago when epidemiologist Michael Osterholm indicated the following

Osterholm predicted that B117, the more contagious strain of the virus that is sweeping England and has been found in pockets of the United States, will become the dominant strain of the virus in the country. “If we see that happen, which my 45 years in the trenches tell us we will, we are going to see something like we have not seen yet in this country,”

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Coronavirus: 53 new deaths, 110 new cases in Orange County on March 7

Can you take a look at OC death counts from Rona? It seems like everyday 50+ deaths and under 200 cases. The other day it was 69 deaths and only 208 cases. What is going on?
 
A. I’m assuming eventually the variants move away from the vaccine since we know that one has.
B. Do we have numbers yet on how long vaccine immunity in fact lasts separate and apart from mutations/variants?
C. Some vaccines like the Johnson and Johnson or az vaccines are substantially less efficient
D. So I’m not sure we get to 90% immune. It will be a substantial amount. How close to 90% is a guess based on many variables
e. Northern italy has had the longest history with covid in Europe and a very high immunity rate. What’s going on there right now is wholesale classrooms including nursery schools are getting it. This is different than what happened before.
f. You seem to be implying covid eventually goes away. If it were just the us I think there’d be a good chance but remember vaccination In the third world unlikely to be complete until 2022. So unless somehow the Biden admin is pursuaded to shut the border even more tightly than trump did there’s always going to be this outside reservoir for outbreaks a la the Disneyland measles outbreak despite very high levels of measles vaccination
If you’re worried about vaccine resistant variants, why do you want to open now instead of June? Running high case rates while halfway vaccinated is how you create vaccine resistant variants.

90% was assuming an 80% vaccination rate and 50% infection rate (past + future) among the unvaccinated.

If you have it, send links for the scale of the Italian school outbreak problem, and estimate of seroprevalence in Italy. If Lombardy has 80% seroprevalence and is still seeing 3 elementary school outbreaks per week, that’s interesting. If Lombardy has 50% seroprevalence and has enough school outbreaks for a reporter to find one as a human interest angle, that’s merely expected.

I’m saying less that covid goes away, and more that the covid fight will shift to the variants- first b.1.117, and then to any vaccine resistant variants that are around. The last is the most important.

If you are measuring what will happen with variants, you need to ask how long it will take something like Eeek or P.1 to grow to 100k cases per day. If we have around 10 cases per day now, then we have about 13 doublings before it happens. 16 doublings if we are currently at 1-2 cases per day. Half year? Maybe hits late fall, once the summer stops helping us? I haven’t seen anything on how fast the smaller variants are growing, so this doesn’t even count as a SWAG.
 
A. Women?
B. Amusing yourself ain’t exactly a “conservative” value
C. This image ruined my breakfast.

I was responding to your statement "people locked in with nothing to do weren’t exactly amusing themselves" by citing a continuation of what I believe you meant by "amusing themselves" that resulted in no surprise children.

Or did you have something else in mind?
 
Fun fact: it seems that lockdowns have had another unintended consequence. Us births are down about 300,000. Similar dip in Europe from dec-February so far. Seems like people locked in with nothing to do weren’t exactly amusing themselves. Now granted the economy would have dipped even without lockdown and people might have been afraid to go to the hospital for deliveries so it can’t all be attributed to lockdown, but the lockdowns have likely made this effect more severe. Well know the difference as we get March-may data from the us and europe
A year into the pandemic, we easily forget that the lockdowns and other draconian restrictions were imposed as a temporary measure to “flatten the curves” and prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed. We did that successfully. Months ago.

No one signed up for living in lockdown indefinitely.
 
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"With our results, we were not able to explain if COVID-19 mortality is reduced by staying at home"
 
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