Are they really interested?

My son, 13 Flight 1, plans to leave his team. We need a change. We were lucky to get connected to a coach on a higher team and we asked for some privates. He doesn't normally do privates but we piggy back after one of our friends who is ecnl. Anyway, he was impressed with my son and asked him to attend his trainings. My son was so excited since he isn't feeling valued on his team and his team isn't getting the coaching they should be. Honestly, this coach who is well known in socal and known to be very tough gave my son more compliments and encouragement then any coaches combined! But not in a cheesy way.

My son attended his training and did really well. He was asked back. My question is, since this coach spent 2 privates and a training wouldn't he know if he wanted him? I know offers go out early to some even before the open tryouts. We don't want to be strung along, but this would be our first pick because of this coach's reputation!! He is well respected and known.
Is this a stroke to shake you out of money, or is this coach giving him legit feedback without the goal of stringing him along for more and more sessions? These coaches smell the thirst. I'd take him to a few other coaches that offer privates that don't have teams. Maybe take him to APFC in San Diego for one of their clinics. Put him up against some higher level kids and see how he does.
 
But the notion that you have to do privates to be on his team, even if it's unsaid, is a problem.
Top Doc in OC with a girls' team had it a little differently. You can be on his team if you pay. However, if you want to play, you best better pay for his privates because that's where Doc and Dad can have those private conversations about how pay for play really works in this great game we call soccer in America.
 
Yeah, that seems quite shady
It's Shady as hell. I have lived it up close and personal. Lying Doc lies and then tells me, "I can develop your child even more if you pay more at my private sessions, where I teach daddy how to pay more so kid gets a deal." Slim Shady Surf Futbol (EOTL) can explain how this game is really played.
 
But the notion that you have to do privates to be on his team, even if it's unsaid, is a problem.
No one said that. We came to him initially for privates. That was the main goal. We didn’t really think my son had an opening for his team. We found out later that many kids are moving up to even a higher level. And he needed to fill some spots
 
Top Doc in OC with a girls' team had it a little differently. You can be on his team if you pay. However, if you want to play, you best better pay for his privates because that's where Doc and Dad can have those private conversations about how pay for play really works in this great game we call soccer in America.
You guys are taking off in a direction that isn’t in this situation. I already stated above this guy rarely does privates. He’s doing a private for a very, very good friend of ours so I reached out asking if we could just go after that person. He doesn’t really do a lot of privates at all. It’s my son and another boy that’s ECNL that’s not on his team. So This post is taking off in a different direction. No one said privates are necessary to be on his team. He’s not doing privates with anyone on his team.
 
You guys are taking off in a direction that isn’t in this situation. I already stated above this guy rarely does privates. He’s doing a private for a very, very good friend of ours so I reached out asking if we could just go after that person. He doesn’t really do a lot of privates at all. It’s my son and another boy that’s ECNL that’s not on his team. So This post is taking off in a different direction. No one said privates are necessary to be on his team. He’s not doing privates with anyone on his team.
Sometimes I can take a post in different directions. I will do better....
 
You guys are taking off in a direction that isn’t in this situation. I already stated above this guy rarely does privates. He’s doing a private for a very, very good friend of ours so I reached out asking if we could just go after that person. He doesn’t really do a lot of privates at all. It’s my son and another boy that’s ECNL that’s not on his team. So This post is taking off in a different direction. No one said privates are necessary to be on his team. He’s not doing privates with anyone on his team.
Forgive us. Youth soccer trauma is a mofo.
 
Forgive us. Youth soccer trauma is a mofo.
It's a trip that youth soccer caused us so much trauma. Little did I know signing my little baby girl in AYSO at 5 would start a trip down the youth soccer circuit and severe trauma mixed in with threats and retaliation, all for calling out a Doc(s) who lie when they speak. I sure hope parents are treated better and their kids are not lied to so much.
 
Forgive us. Youth soccer trauma is a mofo.
I feel this, despite not having nearly as much trauma (maybe "yet") as some of the other parents here.

When I signed up my kids at 5ish for AYSO (and little kid clinics before that), my thought process was "they will get some exercise, maybe learn some skills, maybe play in HS like I did, hopefully have some fun". Now it's going on ~8 years later, we're paying ~$6k/yr for my son to play on the second tier team in our city club, driving hours for tournaments (most recently the Vegas Cup), keeping track of all the various leagues/levels and politics (Socal, NPL, EA, ECRL, ECNL, MLSN, MLSN2, etc., as well as the BY/SR thing recently), and thinking about how to evaluate where the "off ramp" is, if/when my kid is unlikely to play past HS. It's a lot more than I anticipated back then, lol.
 
I feel this, despite not having nearly as much trauma (maybe "yet") as some of the other parents here.

When I signed up my kids at 5ish for AYSO (and little kid clinics before that), my thought process was "they will get some exercise, maybe learn some skills, maybe play in HS like I did, hopefully have some fun". Now it's going on ~8 years later, we're paying ~$6k/yr for my son to play on the second tier team in our city club, driving hours for tournaments (most recently the Vegas Cup), keeping track of all the various leagues/levels and politics (Socal, NPL, EA, ECRL, ECNL, MLSN, MLSN2, etc., as well as the BY/SR thing recently), and thinking about how to evaluate where the "off ramp" is, if/when my kid is unlikely to play past HS. It's a lot more than I anticipated back then, lol.
The struggle is real.
 
My son, 13 Flight 1, plans to leave his team. We need a change. We were lucky to get connected to a coach on a higher team and we asked for some privates. He doesn't normally do privates but we piggy back after one of our friends who is ecnl. Anyway, he was impressed with my son and asked him to attend his trainings. My son was so excited since he isn't feeling valued on his team and his team isn't getting the coaching they should be. Honestly, this coach who is well known in socal and known to be very tough gave my son more compliments and encouragement then any coaches combined! But not in a cheesy way.

My son attended his training and did really well. He was asked back. My question is, since this coach spent 2 privates and a training wouldn't he know if he wanted him? I know offers go out early to some even before the open tryouts. We don't want to be strung along, but this would be our first pick because of this coach's reputation!! He is well respected and known.
Privates and team practice give you some idea. The only way to know your son can hang is if your son plays a scrimmage with his team on the big field.
Jamisfoes above has provided the best answer above.

The coach needs to see him in action with other players to really evaluate, and that'd be true of any player. Similarly, when my kid was asked to come to trainings with the team, it was always far more productive and informative than going to a tryout, so good on the coach for telling you not to bother with the tryout. "Tryouts" are just a promotional action for the club. You'll notice almost none of the coaches at tryouts pay close attention to the players during the drills and scrimmages.

I think it's a sign of a good coach to hold off on making an evaluation until they've watched a player over a long period of time and under different circumstances. I had plenty of coaches dismiss my kid because of a single play or mistake and some who got overly excited about a single play. The best ones held off on making any long term predictions about her future and just gave her great instruction and invested in making her better every training.

Don't get caught up too much in the paranoia/trauma of most of the people on this forum.
 
The coach needs to see him in action with other players to really evaluate, and that'd be true of any player. Similarly, when my kid was asked to come to trainings with the team, it was always far more productive and informative than going to a tryout, so good on the coach for telling you not to bother with the tryout. "Tryouts" are just a promotional action for the club. You'll notice almost none of the coaches at tryouts pay close attention to the players during the drills and scrimmages.
This seems accurate in my experience as well, fwiw, and aligns with the previous observation that the teams are more/less set by the time tryouts actually happen. Yes, the clubs can (and will be happy to) pick up outliers who are clearly skilled enough to play for a team there, and/or offer spots with the club for players who are reasonable (in order to get more money), etc., but it also seems to me that tryouts are more about "sell you on our club", rather than "carefully evaluate your kid".

The converse is also true: the main valid reason to attend tryouts for other clubs is for parents to get more information about the club, and to get pitched on it, not really for the kid to be closely evaluated. If they really want to evaluate a kid, they will invite to training sessions.
 
It's a trip that youth soccer caused us so much trauma. Little did I know signing my little baby girl in AYSO at 5 would start a trip down the youth soccer circuit and severe trauma mixed in with threats and retaliation, all for calling out a Doc(s) who lie when they speak. I sure hope parents are treated better and their kids are not lied to so much.
Admittedly, I did a lot of it to myself. I also created a tense and anxious environment for my kid, too, that didn't help. The kids feed off us. Things are much better now with the perspective of more than a decade in club. But I was no saint, believe me.
 
Admittedly, I did a lot of it to myself. I also created a tense and anxious environment for my kid, too, that didn't help. The kids feed off us. Things are much better now with the perspective of more than a decade in club. But I was no saint, believe me.
I was just too honest, believe me. The Doc took advantage of my honesty and openness, and he was fired later. I was no Saint with my kid. I 100% could have done better in some of the car rides home from traveling to AZ and back for a game.
 
This seems accurate in my experience as well, fwiw, and aligns with the previous observation that the teams are more/less set by the time tryouts actually happen. Yes, the clubs can (and will be happy to) pick up outliers who are clearly skilled enough to play for a team there, and/or offer spots with the club for players who are reasonable (in order to get more money), etc., but it also seems to me that tryouts are more about "sell you on our club", rather than "carefully evaluate your kid".

The converse is also true: the main valid reason to attend tryouts for other clubs is for parents to get more information about the club, and to get pitched on it, not really for the kid to be closely evaluated. If they really want to evaluate a kid, they will invite to training sessions.
Thanks all! I really appreciate the advice. I know have received a 4th email from the lower team coach again asking him to come to his practice! It’s still a great team also. So I needed to reach out to coach A and ask him straight up! Both coaches saw him during a scrimmage but not all the players were there. He did well and coach B is definitely trying to poach him. I just don’t know how to respond to him when I don’t have clear thoughts on what coach A is thinking yet.
 
Thanks all! I really appreciate the advice. I know have received a 4th email from the lower team coach again asking him to come to his practice! It’s still a great team also. So I needed to reach out to coach A and ask him straight up! Both coaches saw him during a scrimmage but not all the players were there. He did well and coach B is definitely trying to poach him. I just don’t know how to respond to him when I don’t have clear thoughts on what coach A is thinking yet.
Coach B just told you what Coach A is thinking, MOO!
 
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