An amazing case for reducing gun ownership in America

Hüsker Dü said:
President Trump tweeted Thursday that Americans need to be more vigilant about people with mental illness to prevent school shootings — but a year ago this month he revoked an Obama-era rule that would have blocked some mentally ill people from buying guns.

“So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed, even expelled from school for bad and erratic behavior. Neighbors and classmates knew he was a big problem. Must always report such instances to authorities, again and again!” the president wrote.

But Trump, at the urging of the National Rifle Association, quashed a policy that would have forced Social Security officials to report records of some mentally ill people getting benefits to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System, NPR reported at the time.

People who had been deemed mentally incapable of managing their financial affairs — about 75,000 people — would have been covered by the policy.

The president, Republican lawmakers and the NRA argued that the rule violated people’s Second Amendment rights without due process.

GOP Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) said at the time that “if a specific individual is likely to be violent due to the nature of their mental illness, then the government should have to prove it,” the network reported.

https://nypost.com/2018/02/15/trump-repealed-rule-to-block-mentally-ill-people-from-buying-guns/
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Fake News.
 
Lion Eyes said:
I disagree....
You're blaming the NRA for school violence & killings?
How can that be?
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Hello. It may have something to do with laws (compare, say, England’s gun laws) and who makes laws and how their campaigns are funded. Difficult connections for some people to make, I guess.
 
xav10 said:
Hello. It may have something to do with laws (compare, say, England’s gun laws) and who makes laws and how their campaigns are funded. Difficult connections for some people to make, I guess.
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Hello... the laws are tougher now than they were in the 60, 70, 80....
The same guns were available back when one could by a gun over the counter, no back ground, no waiting period...
School attacks were extremely rare twenty or thirty years ago.
Tougher laws, waiting period, back ground checks.... yet we have more random school attacks.
Guess again counselor....
What has changed in our society?
 
espola said:
Some fault lies with the NRA's political efforts that make reasonable gun control laws supported by a majority of American voters impossible to get through Congress.
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That doesn't answer the question..what has changed in our society. School shootings were rare in the 60's - 90's
You know guns laws are much tougher now than they were in the 60's - 90's and semi auto AR's, M-1's etc. could be purchased over the counter.
We now have tougher gun laws, waiting periods & back ground checks yet we have school shootings.
Blaming the NRA is a convenient and an easy out.
I don't think tougher gun laws will address the underlying problem we have.
 
Lion Eyes said:
That doesn't answer the question..what has changed in our society. School shootings were rare in the 60's - 90's
You know guns laws are much tougher now than they were in the 60's - 90's and semi auto AR's, M-1's etc. could be purchased over the counter.
We now have tougher gun laws, waiting periods & back ground checks yet we have school shootings.
Blaming the NRA is a convenient and an easy out.
I don't think tougher gun laws will address the underlying problem we have.
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Up until the infamous 1977 NRA annual convention, they were one of the leaders in support of reasonable gun control laws. Then the organization was taken over by a cabal of manufacturers, dealers and gun loons who chopped the budget for safety and marksmanship training and redirected it into political action.
 
xav10 said:
Hello. It may have something to do with laws (compare, say, England’s gun laws) and who makes laws and how their campaigns are funded. Difficult connections for some people to make, I guess.
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Especially when they don't want to make those connections . . . avoid them like the plague just like they do with like common sense and reality.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Especially when they don't want to make those connections . . . avoid them like the plague just like they do with like common sense and reality.
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You no nothing about common sense, it is you who refuses to see that gun laws are stricter than ever, that the same weaponry was available over the counter with no waiting for back ground, yet there are more school attacks. Why?
Only a simpleton thinks the answer is stricter gun laws.
If you care to add something of value to the conversation, please do.
Otherwise shut the fuck up.
 
Lion Eyes said:
You no nothing about common sense, it is you who refuses to see that gun laws are stricter than ever, that the same weaponry was available over the counter with no waiting for back ground, yet there are more school attacks. Why?
Only a simpleton thinks the answer is stricter gun laws.
If you care to add something of value to the conversation, please do.
Otherwise shut the fuck up.
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Feeling cornered?
 
espola said:
Feeling cornered?
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Not at all.
You asking dumbass questions?
The second amendment isn't going away.
We've had semi automatic guns for decades, we never had shootings at schools like we have for the last twenty years.
The guns are not what is different.
 
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