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espola said:
The bonehead who posted that video obviously knows nothing about the Forrestal accident or US Navy flight deck procedures in general. Since blame for the Forrestal fire hinges at a critical point on the contention that aviation ordnancemen violated one or more required procedures (specifically - the TER pigtail was supposed to be left disconnected until the aircraft is next in line for launch, but to speed things up it had become common practice to do it much earlier in strike preparation), perhaps we should ask our local Navy recruiter for his opinion.
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So was over loading the planes bomb cradles by 500 lbs...
So was physically lifting the overweight bombs into the cradles.....
So were a lot of things that happened aboard that ship " That Day "....

YOU weren't there....

I'm going with the reports that ring credible and don't " Smell " of a
cover up.....
 
nononono said:
So was over loading the planes bomb cradles by 500 lbs...
So was physically lifting the overweight bombs into the cradles.....
So were a lot of things that happened aboard that ship " That Day "....

YOU weren't there....

I'm going with the reports that ring credible and don't " Smell " of a
cover up.....
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Since you sare claiming more knowledge of the events that day than I have, please continue.
 
espola said:
Since you sare claiming more knowledge of the events that day than I have, please continue.
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It's documented ya LIAR.....

I repeated what was stated on a documented account....

You're a documented LIAR....

Disprove THAT !

For someone who was in the Navy, you sure aren't credible.

AT ALL !
 
Hüsker Dü said:
He's adamant about what he's been told is the truth . . . regardless of facts to back it up, like always.
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I was hoping someone besides 4nos would jump into the defense of the zolnareports guy. So far, no takers, even though he's not much zanier than some of the crap that is presented as fact on a regular basis here.
 
espola said:
I was hoping someone besides 4nos would jump into the defense of the zolnareports guy. So far, no takers, even though he's not much zanier than some of the crap that is presented as fact on a regular basis here.
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Funny how they all come in with these insane ideas but can't back them, and don't back each other, yet claim they are verifiable facts. They use to have a place for these people before Reagan deregulated the mental health industry . . . see, elections do have consequences, some good, some not so much.
. . . and even his fellow nutters leave nono adrift on his own when he goes full cocked looney bird . . . but then say how great he is.
 
espola said:
I was hoping someone besides 4nos would jump into the defense of the zolnareports guy. So far, no takers, even though he's not much zanier than some of the crap that is presented as fact on a regular basis here.
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LIARS cannot post any TRUTH about their LIES, only more LIES.
 
CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. --

A Virginia man convicted of punching the organizer of last summer's white nationalist rally after he attempted to hold a news conference has been fined $1.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Funny how they all come in with these insane ideas but can't back them, and don't back each other, yet claim they are verifiable facts. They use to have a place for these people before Reagan deregulated the mental health industry . . . see, elections do have consequences, some good, some not so much.
. . . and even his fellow nutters leave nono adrift on his own when he goes full cocked looney bird . . . but then say how great he is.
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Funny how you generalize with "how they all come in with insane ideas"...."they used to have a place for these people"
You're a moronic asswipe, if "they" still had a place, you'd be receiving therapy and counseling for the bullshit that you call intelligence.
Good lord, to think you walk among us.
 
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Lion Eyes said:
Funny how you generalize with "how they all come in with insane ideas"...."they used to have a place for these people"
You're a moronic asswipe, if "they" still had a place, you'd be receiving therapy and counseling for the bullshit that you call intelligence.
Good lord, to think you walk among us.
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Oh look, it's whittle lying man, still hurt and bleeding I see. These others are crazy or just looking to troll, you are simply incoherent.
 

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Skyhawk Fuel System
Various publications list different numbers for fuel capacity, some confusion exists because the tanks will hold more fuel if they are gravity filled (filled using the tank's top filling port), then if they are "pressure filled" (pressure fueled via aft hell-hole fuel connection or the in-flight refueling probe). The A-4A did not have a refueling probe or hell-hole pressure connection, thus was gravity filled only. AND a tank will not normally hold its rated "volume" due to the filling procedures and conditions encountered in operations.
Also the amount the fuel tank can hold is not the same as the amount that can be used by the fuel system. Thus you have "actual fuel capacity" and "usable fuel capacity".
In addition, some documents list gallons of fuel and other use pounds of fuel. Since different variants of jet fuel weigh-in differently, one most be very specific when quoting "fuel capacity".

Per NAVWEPS 01-40AVA-1 for the A-4A/B:
Total internal fuel is 810 US gallons of internal fuel. Three external drop tanks can be carried to increase total fuel quantity to 1710 US gallons. Fuel is normally delivered from any drop tanks by tank pressurization, and from the wing tanks by an air-driven fuel transfer pump.
The engine fuel system consists of a fuel pump, fuel control unit, flow dividers, a fuel primer solenoid and two fuel primers. The engine fuel control consists of two systems, a primary and a manual for use if the primary fails. The two seat variants had a smaller fuselage tank due to the second seat.
All fuel is delivered to the fuselage tank (behind the cockpit), from which an electrically driven fuel boost pump (with flapper valves) delivers fuel under pressure to the engine-driven fuel pump. The Skyhawk can sustain approximately 30 seconds of inverted flight with this system. Both the fuselage tank and the integral wing tank are self-sealing.

Drop tanks carried on the stores racks are vented, contain provisions for gravity fueling, pressure fueling (not A-4A) and pressurization to effect fuel transfer to the integral wing tank at the option of the pilot. Drop tanks may be jettisoned in the same manner as other external stores.


  • Fuel Flowmeter (A-4B): is located in the right console and reads in "pounds per hour". It is marked from 0 to 12 with intermediate markings between the numerals. Determination of fuel flow in "pounds per hour" is made by multiplying the instrument reading by one thousand.
  • JP-4 = 6.5lbs per gallon
  • JP-5 = 6.8lbs per gallon
  • JP-8 = 6.7lbs per gallon


Using the "810/1710" US gallon figure quoted above:

  • 237 gallons (gravity filled) in fuselage tank (tank volume = 240gal).
  • 570 gallons (gravity filled) in wing tanks (tank volume = 585gal).
  • 6 gallons of unusable fuel in wing tanks.
  • 885 gallons in three gravity filled 300 gallon drop tanks (tank volume = 300gal each).
  • 12 gallons of unusable fuel in the three drop tanks.
  • Total is 1,710 gallons of fuel per "NAVWEPS 01-40AVA-1" for the A-4A/B
  • Thus fuel quantity quoted in this document is "actual quantity" consisting of useable fuel and unusable fuel when it is "gravity filled". Not tank volume, and not pressurization-filled fuel in the Bravo.
  • IF using JP-5, then 810/1710 gallons is equal to 5,508lbs/11,628lbs.


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Engine Start Capabilities
All US Skyhawks with the exception of the A-4M required an external start cart in order to start the engine. Some of the earliest models also were required to carry a starter probe in the rear "hell hole" which was a gear mechanism that was placed in the right wing root in order to turn the engine before adding fuel and then re-stowed after start. The A-4M had its own starter along with a very small pump handle that had to be attached to the JFS (Jet Fuel Starter) and hand pumped whenever the start was not successful on the first attempt.
 
The A-4A, B, C utilized the starter probe. Starting with the A-4E model the probe was no longer necessary, and the ground unit provided compressed air hose was connected directly to the a/c. There were several types of units that provided compressed air for starting a/c. One, the "Mobile Gas Turbine Compressor (GTC) was shaped like a a/c drop tank and could be carried on the centerline or inboard wing store racks of the Skyhawk. If carried on the centerline carrier landings were permitted. If carried on the inboard wing stations, carrier landings were not permitted. Thus a Skyhawk could carry a GTC along to another air station to provide compressed air for starting the engine.

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Hüsker Dü said:
Funny how they all come in with these insane ideas but can't back them, and don't back each other, yet claim they are verifiable facts. They use to have a place for these people before Reagan deregulated the mental health industry . . . see, elections do have consequences, some good, some not so much.
. . . and even his fellow nutters leave nono adrift on his own when he goes full cocked looney bird . . . but then say how great he is.
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Your such an idiot it's laughable! On one hand you'll say that all of "us" stick together blindly and on the other you'll say that "they" don't back each other up. Sorry but "we" are nothing like you lemmings. "We" voice our own opinions regardless if it aligns with each other.

Maybe, when you sober up, you'll realize this.
 
Multi Sport said:
Your such an idiot it's laughable! On one hand you'll say that all of "us" stick together blindly and on the other you'll say that "they" don't back each other up. Sorry but "we" are nothing like you lemmings. "We" voice our own opinions regardless if it aligns with each other.

Maybe, when you sober up, you'll realize this.
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What's your opinion on the "wet start" controversy? It's OK if you don't agree with 4nos, right?
 
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