shales1002
GOLD
SoCal is setting up the leagues other than the bogus DPL. How is that a better choice?
2018-2019 SW ECNL Conference Discussion
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SoCal is setting up the leagues other than the bogus DPL. How is that a better choice?
GoWest
GOLD
That's really not hard to do. A few clubs here simply need to make a phone call, to DA or ECNL and voice their concerns that SoCal families don't need to travel and it's a done deal. I can only imagine NorCal feels the same?
shales1002
GOLD
A part of the experience is the travel component. The only complaints I’m seeing in NorCal are about GDA and traveling to blow someone out the water. That’s not happening in NV or AZ for the majority of teams.We will let you guys keep thinking we are an easy win if that makes you feel better.
Desert Hound
DA
They are not the ones setting up these leagues. But they are certainly the ones signing on to these "national leagues".
I also hear people (not you) complaining about having to travel for playoffs. Many stating well we are the best...playoffs should be here. Again...these are national leagues and the playoffs should be held in different venues/states.
It seems to me the clubs like the prestige of playing in a national league...as do most of the parents. If they didn't then these clubs and parents would not be so eager to join and then have to travel.
Go stop by the Slammers website. Very quickly you will find out how many state, regional and more importantly to them national championships they have. Clubs and parents want these leagues and certainly seem willing to travel to play in them. Correct me if I am wrong but there seems to be at least a little demand for it
My confusion - I should have said "join." They should have told DA and ECNL that they will join, but only if you keep the conference games local.
Desert Hound
DA
At that point though...if they only wanted to keep things local, then why join DA or ECNL in the first place. So Cal had some great leagues in place before ECNL came around and those were certainly local.
Clearly the clubs and parents wanted something more at that time. The idea of being in a national league was attractive. Clubs were offered spots in ECNL, some turned it down. Later when clubs realized ECNL was a quality product then more clubs wanted in. Unfortunately by that time that ship had sailed and they were on the outside looking in.
I like the travel component - in limited doses. Don't need it for league games - just a few national events. I too feel bad for the NorCal parents. Traveling to Idaho? You got to be kidding me.
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vegasguy
GOLD
You are right preparing your child for the future by being responsible and traveling independently is a bad thing. I really want to got to college and pack his books every day for college I also (if he is fortunate enough) want to make sure his gloves guards and boots are ready for his training while in college. I may live in the dorm with him.
My son has been traveling to camps where he is responsible for himself, traveling by plane for a bit without me walking down the jetway with him since he was 10. I think it makes him a better person. Heat girls team travel and responsible to get to bed, wake up and be prepared all on their own and when they break the rules their are real consequences. This is part of the ECNL experience. Parents do not need to travel and Heat is developing more than athletes.
I choose to let my child travel to play again our it is our choice and the choice of many others.
My son has been traveling to camps where he is responsible for himself, traveling by plane for a bit without me walking down the jetway with him since he was 10. I think it makes him a better person. Heat girls team travel and responsible to get to bed, wake up and be prepared all on their own and when they break the rules their are real consequences. This is part of the ECNL experience. Parents do not need to travel and Heat is developing more than athletes.
I choose to let my child travel to play again our it is our choice and the choice of many others.
shales1002
GOLD
Thanks for the 2016/17 stats when ECNL was truly the best and the majority of SoCal talent was playing in 8 clubs. NV Definitely won ALOT more this season! Hell, Heat 04 lost 1 game in league and allowed 6 or 7 goals the entire season per TopDrawer Soccer. Three of the goals came when GK was at national camp. So, thanks dilution! Playing field has been leveled!
As Vegas guy stated, Heat team travels. There’s a lot to be learned from that experience. Especially money management. DDs become real cheap when they have to spend money.
Gotta love that GK unless you are playing against her!
GoWest
GOLD
Bruddah IZ
DA
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MakeAPlay
DA
I agree with you. Traveling for league games and showcases in the ECNL SW conference made the transition to the travel at high level D1 much easier and more familiar to my player. Good luck to you and your player.
Vegas , NorCal and Phoenix were always nice trips.
GoWest
GOLD
@BigSoccer - a good question. There are a couple clubs that potentially might work:
Albion SC LV all age groups on boys / girls sides:
http://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/club.aspx?ClubID=27060
LVSA all age groups in boys / girls sides but I think they were kicked out of ECNL a few years ago?
http://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/club.aspx?ClubID=4238
Players all age groups on boys side. Missing oldest team on girls side but easy fix for 2019-2020 season:
http://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/club.aspx?ClubID=4266
So, it looks like there are options but.....
1) Do the clubs have any interest in ECNL?
2) Can they be competitive reasonably soon or is market too shallow?
3) Is ECNL interested enough to take a chance?
Two clubs / games in Vegas would seem more palatable IMO as far as travel goes.
vegasguy
GOLD
Albion has good girls teams at 05 as lower but some of it is manufactured the way the guest players around (i.e. if an 07 team plays in an 06 level game they play there 06s with the 07s). It isn't a bad thing as kids are getting playing time but if they play other 07 teams playing up there is an advantage not recognized by rankings. On the boys side they seem to be lower tiered and may have never played the top team in Vegas. That may have changed with June tryouts. The landscape changes annually here.
LVSA lost their girls ECNL not sure why they lost it. May have been competitive may have been coach movement may have been something else. Boys side is strong, girls is strong in at least 3 age groups. Rough time at regionals though. Two teams at USYS Nationals again is no small feat. Congratulations. Not sure ECNL would bring both sides back.
Players was either dropped or dropped out of Surf. The last weekend of league play was rough where they either did not have enough to field a team due to what ever or just failed to field enough players in a few of the age groups. 04s are solid as well as a couple olders. Not sure on the girls side outside youngers are solid in some ages but depth may be an issue here.
Downtown made some big coaching moves this year not sure how that worked out for tryouts and newly built teams. It is 106 here so playing is sparse I am sure for a bit. Plus we are a shallow pool and most still play with their friends or gravitate to better squads making 1 or 2 in each age group the bigs dogs and others fighting to get better (not a bad thing just harder to develop players in older age groups).
Vegas needs an ECNL club. There are very good players coming out of the NV desert. Kids playing at the National level (2 boys who moved to DA recently now scoring for USYNT) 2 keepers playing in girls USNT camps. Many others being recruited to MLS DA's from LA, RSL, Seattle and Dallas. travel is not the easiest but you can not cut out exposure to a city of our size. Sometimes we can get to SD in less time than LA teams based traffic flow.
LVSA lost their girls ECNL not sure why they lost it. May have been competitive may have been coach movement may have been something else. Boys side is strong, girls is strong in at least 3 age groups. Rough time at regionals though. Two teams at USYS Nationals again is no small feat. Congratulations. Not sure ECNL would bring both sides back.
Players was either dropped or dropped out of Surf. The last weekend of league play was rough where they either did not have enough to field a team due to what ever or just failed to field enough players in a few of the age groups. 04s are solid as well as a couple olders. Not sure on the girls side outside youngers are solid in some ages but depth may be an issue here.
Downtown made some big coaching moves this year not sure how that worked out for tryouts and newly built teams. It is 106 here so playing is sparse I am sure for a bit. Plus we are a shallow pool and most still play with their friends or gravitate to better squads making 1 or 2 in each age group the bigs dogs and others fighting to get better (not a bad thing just harder to develop players in older age groups).
Vegas needs an ECNL club. There are very good players coming out of the NV desert. Kids playing at the National level (2 boys who moved to DA recently now scoring for USYNT) 2 keepers playing in girls USNT camps. Many others being recruited to MLS DA's from LA, RSL, Seattle and Dallas. travel is not the easiest but you can not cut out exposure to a city of our size. Sometimes we can get to SD in less time than LA teams based traffic flow.
FourFourTwo
BRONZE
It looks like Randy Brown's 03 team has re-branded themselves as Strikers FC IE ECNL 03. Does this mean Strikers FC will have 2 03 ECNL teams?
VegasParent
SILVER ELITE
That’s not completely accurate in regards to the Albion LV 07 team. There are a few 07’s on the Albion LV 06’s and when the 07’s play in an event that the 06’s are not in those 07’s will go play with that team. In the events where that team played up no 06 players played with them only the 07’s. I agree with your the rest of your statement. Although Heat will do there best to not let another Vegas club get ECNL.
Why does Heat block other Vegas ECNL clubs?
IMO if an older player playing up on a team comes down to there age group to play in an age proper tournament they have the advantage as they must be talented enough to be playing up. If the younger team is short rostered due to vacations or injuries of players it seems fair enough as we all want our kids to get extra playing time. If the player coming down is taking playing time from another rostered player and starting or playing more than the rostered that might be a different story. Either way totally within the rules and many clubs do it. ECNL can dual roster can't they.
The last line in the statement sounds like bad blood between Albion and Vegas Heat.
IMO if an older player playing up on a team comes down to there age group to play in an age proper tournament they have the advantage as they must be talented enough to be playing up. If the younger team is short rostered due to vacations or injuries of players it seems fair enough as we all want our kids to get extra playing time. If the player coming down is taking playing time from another rostered player and starting or playing more than the rostered that might be a different story. Either way totally within the rules and many clubs do it. ECNL can dual roster can't they.
The last line in the statement sounds like bad blood between Albion and Vegas Heat.
shales1002
GOLD
You were doing okay until the last line. Bitter much ? Heat is not in control of who gets ECNL. Weren’t the Albion folks claiming they had the pathway to DA because they were affiliated with Albion San Diego. The dust is settling now and the olders are not competitive. That’s not to say they don’t have good players. Too players usually go to Heat or LVSA . Albion is 3 on the list. The 06’ group is awesome. The youngers are pretty strong. @BigSoccer Heat’s former ECNL director started Albion. Nice person in my opinion. But keep it real @VegasParent.
VegasParent
SILVER ELITE
While there is bad blood between the two clubs my last statement was not about Albion only but any Vegas club. Heat being the only ECNL club in town is their ace in hole and they want to keep it that way.